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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2008, 10:58:22 AM »
The question still remains "is pornagraphy good for a free society?"

I see no value added but I see a multitude of problems associated with porn.

HM

It's not for us to access 'value' based upon cultural/religious mores.

There are tons of things I can't find how/where value is added.  :)

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2008, 12:51:28 PM »
Well, if your kid is doing porn... there have been a few parenting mistakes along the way. The "what if it were your kid" argument is weak. I'll tell you why but I'm only ever going to write this once so pay very close attention. Asking that question gives others permission to ask; "would you want your kid to be fat?".

The question actually wasn't would you want your kid to do porn but would you mind if she did porn.



I'm far more offended by obesity than porn.

Would you rather your daughter did porn or be obese?


Doc, why do you think you are so offended by obesity ???
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2008, 02:06:01 PM »
The question actually wasn't would you want your kid to do porn but would you mind if she did porn.

Would have to get over it. Can't make every decision for them.

Would you rather your daughter did porn or be obese?

Tough one.

Doc, why do you think you are so offended by obesity ???

Comes with the territory.

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2008, 02:14:28 PM »


Comes with the territory.

Can you explain more?  Are you talking about your work?
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2008, 03:07:14 PM »
Work in healthcare a while, LOL!

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2008, 03:33:47 PM »
Work in healthcare a while, LOL!

Oh come on Doc I know you can give a better answer than that, besides I gotta know this one!

You are a man of wisdom please share!
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2008, 03:59:49 PM »
Oh come on Doc I know you can give a better answer than that, besides I gotta know this one!

You are a man of wisdom please share!

It's not wisdom, HM! You already know the morbidly obese are a drain. No one is ever going to win a fight with the diabetic's Oreo, LOL! That's just the way life is.

Obviously I'm not talking about a nice big butt or a little extra junk in the trunk.  :)

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2008, 10:51:21 PM »
It's not wisdom, HM! You already know the morbidly obese are a drain. No one is ever going to win a fight with the diabetic's Oreo, LOL! That's just the way life is.

Obviously I'm not talking about a nice big butt or a little extra junk in the trunk.  :)


I feel you Doc and I understand but being "offended" I am not following! You know there is more to obesity than just over eating. Some obese people have other issues that cause obesity correct? I know they can be a drain on your patience when you have tried to help them but to be offended I don't get this response from a man like yourself.

Stella and I want some clarity!
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2008, 10:59:15 PM »
Common sense isn't very common. :)

freedom isn't free.  :)

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2008, 05:12:10 AM »
HM, there's nothing to clarify.

Cases of obesity unrelated to overeating or lack of exercise are relatively rare.

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2008, 06:18:49 AM »
HM, there's nothing to clarify.

Cases of obesity unrelated to overeating or lack of exercise are relatively rare.
But what causes the overeating???  Is there not a psychological aspect to overeating.  While overeating is the cause of obesity, it also serves as a symptom of a psychological breakdown somewhere.

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2008, 06:36:17 AM »
Poor is good for a free society you say?  I totally ashamed to admit this, but from my own person struggles for years with porn.   I've had to take some great measures to flee from the temptations of it.  I have the computer in the family room out in the open (has monitoring software that emails my wife weekly, never log on late at night, use my company laptop when working and assure that my wife is with me...the list goes on.  I can't even begin to tell you what kind of damage it's done to my relationship with my wife.  I've had to work extremely hard to gain some of her trust back.  I'm still paying for it, and justifiably so, and will be until the day I die (the images are burned in my brain and can be pulled up at will).  It's all been worth it though.  The embarrassment, the shame, all of it.  Because I'm enjoying what God truly blessed me with in the relationship with my wife.  So, no!  Porn is NOT good for a free society. 

I believe this article to be a correlation to the impact of porn:

Dad who shielded daughter in attack at Valleyfair recovering, wife says
By JIM ADAMS, Star Tribune
July 16, 2008

A woman whose husband was severely beaten trying to protect his daughter from being molested as the family left Valleyfair said Tuesday they remain traumatized and are still healing from bruises and injuries.

Eight young men are accused of taking turns stomping on and kicking the head of the 41-year-old man, who was knocked unconscious as his wife and three daughters tried to help him. Prosecutors say more serious charges could be brought against the men if the man's injuries are permanent.

"He is hanging in there," said his wife, who asked that the family not be identified out of fear for their safety. She didn't recognize their attackers: "I never seen them a day before in my life."

Shakopee police said serious felony assaults are unusual at the amusement park, which normally has a handful of misdemeanor assaults each summer. The park said Tuesday that 22 security guards were on duty the evening of the assault, July 4, when the fair closed at midnight, and that safety is a priority.

Police arrested seven of the suspects in the Valleyfair parking lot that night and the eighth escaped. Police did not have a good description of that suspect but would like help finding him.

Six men and a 14-year-old boy were charged July 8 with third-degree felony assault. More serious charges, and possibly a sex assault charge, may be filed after police finish their investigation, Scott County Attorney Patrick Ciliberto said Tuesday.

"This type of violence cannot be accepted in our community," he said. "We had a family at the fair enjoying the holiday. Behavior like this is personal to our community."

Ciliberto said Valleyfair has had "no assault of this magnitude" since he took office in 2002. He said the father was taken to Ridges Hospital in Burnsville for a fractured eye socket bone and other injuries. His office was told Monday that doctors were waiting for the man's swelling to subside before checking for permanent injuries, which could justify more serious charges.

The couple was nearing the exit gate with their three daughters at about midnight on July 4, when two young men approached and slapped the youngest girl, about 12, on her buttocks. Her father yelled at the men, one of whom pulled out a cell phone and called for others to join in on the assault.

The wife said she and her daughters tried to protect her husband, and are still recovering from being punched. Her husband has been home from the hospital for a week .

She said she couldn't say more for fear of hurting the prosecution's case.

The assault "was an isolated incident. This has not happened before," said Valleyfair spokeswoman Rachel Onken. "We are a very safe park." She said the guards handled the incident as they were trained and no immediate security changes are planned.

Shakopee Police Capt. Jeff Tate said Valleyfair has "a skirmish once in a while. We usually don't see anything escalate like this." He said park security officers do a good job and that this is the only felony assault this year. He said a domestic assault occurred in the Valleyfair parking lot in May and two juveniles were charged in June with disorderly conduct and misdemeanor assault.

One of the suspects, Darris D. Evans, allegedly punched a man in the face as the group left the unconscious father. Evans, 20, of Brooklyn Park, is charged with a misdemeanor assault for that offense, Tate said.

Besides Evans, five other men and an unnamed juvenile were charged with third-degree felony assault. The five are Derry D. Evans, 19, Minneapolis; Devondre Evans-Lewis, 18, of Columbia Heights; Terry L. Arnold, 22, Brooklyn Park; Andrew D. Shannon, 19, of Minneapolis, and Anthony C. Gildersleeve, 20, Edina.

Bail was set at $40,000 to $60,000 each and all the suspects posted bail bonds, a jail official said.

A check of state records show that two of the suspects have prior felony charges. Arnold and Evans-Lewis were arrested in an Eagan prostitution sting and charged in April with promoting prostitution in Dakota County. Arnold pleaded guilty in May. Arnold also was convicted of two misdemeanor assaults in 2005 and 2006.

Gildersleeve was convicted in March 2008 of carrying a pistol without a permit in a public place, a misdemeanor. Derry Evans was convicted of escaping from custody in January 2008. He was also convicted in May 2008 of disorderly conduct, a gross misdemeanor.

Staff writer Abby Simons contributed to this report. Jim Adams • 612-673-7658

© 2008 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2008, 07:27:23 AM »
Well, Colo, it's good that you've taken a few steps towards dealing with the porn issue but you've missed one important step: taking responsibility. Porn doesn't have the problem, you do. Putting the computer out in the open, having the spouse monitor, child protection software, etc... stops you from looking at porn but ignores whatever the problem's root cause is.

For example, you talked about someone that eats too much having psych issues. Someone who eats too much because mommy didn't perfectly love them, daddy wasn't emotionally available, no pony for Christmas, etc... will not solve the problem by putting their spouse in control of all the food and eating in front of a mirror. :)

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2008, 07:53:57 AM »
HM, there's nothing to clarify.

Cases of obesity unrelated to overeating or lack of exercise are relatively rare.

You keep side stepping the question.

Why does obesity offend you?

But what causes the overeating???  Is there not a psychological aspect to overeating.  While overeating is the cause of obesity, it also serves as a symptom of a psychological breakdown somewhere.

I agree with Colossus, there has to be something else going on but you are the Doc and we are looking to you to for answers.

Come on man explain it to me (us) like we are 8 yrs old.  ???
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2008, 08:02:36 AM »
Well, Colo, it's good that you've taken a few steps towards dealing with the porn issue but you've missed one important step: taking responsibility. Porn doesn't have the problem, you do. Putting the computer out in the open, having the spouse monitor, child protection software, etc... stops you from looking at porn but ignores whatever the problem's root cause is.
Point well made, doc. However, you're not acknowledging the the root cause - PORN.  A root cause is defined as: The underlying reason for the occurrence of a problem.  To bring an equation to it, Porn + Temptation = Bad Decision.  Porn is the equivalent of Satan talking to Eve in the Garden.  And so, the pattern continues.

For example, you talked about someone that eats too much having psych issues. Someone who eats too much because mommy didn't perfectly love them, daddy wasn't emotionally available, no pony for Christmas, etc... will not solve the problem by putting their spouse in control of all the food and eating in front of a mirror. :)
You should know the results of studies done on infants who were ignored (no touch and stoic facial expressions) vs. infants who were loved on (affectionate touch and smiles).  Huge difference in those children.  And don't even get me started about the lack of a father's love.  Fathers have the greatest impact on what a child's outlook is.  A relationship with God, the Father = Peace, Comfort, and Happiness. 

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2008, 09:22:44 AM »
...Fathers have the greatest impact on what a child's outlook is.  A relationship with God, the Father = Peace, Comfort, and Happiness. 


Agree,

Many of these people in porn would not even be there if dad would have done his job in the first place!
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2008, 09:24:04 AM »
Point well made, doc. However, you're not acknowledging the the root cause - PORN.  A root cause is defined as: The underlying reason for the occurrence of a problem.  To bring an equation to it, Porn + Temptation = Bad Decision.  Porn is the equivalent of Satan talking to Eve in the Garden.  And so, the pattern continues.
You should know the results of studies done on infants who were ignored (no touch and stoic facial expressions) vs. infants who were loved on (affectionate touch and smiles).  Huge difference in those children.  And don't even get me started about the lack of a father's love.  Fathers have the greatest impact on what a child's outlook is.  A relationship with God, the Father = Peace, Comfort, and Happiness. 

Dude,

That's like blaming Karl Kox's hands for excessive 'Cracking off'. :)

HM,

On some level you already know the answer.  :)

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2008, 10:03:54 AM »
Dude,

That's like blaming Karl Kox's hands for excessive 'Cracking off'. :)

HM,

On some level you already know the answer.  :)

LOL!


Damn, you're stubborn Doc!
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2008, 10:25:04 AM »
LOL!


Damn, you're stubborn Doc!

You're the stubborn one, LOL! You already know the answer, why is my writing/saying it so important?

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2008, 10:34:02 AM »
Dude,

That's like blaming Karl Kox's hands for excessive 'Cracking off'. :)

HM,

On some level you already know the answer.  :)
LOL! 

Ok, can you explain how porn is good for a free society?


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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2008, 10:50:54 AM »


You all are getting off the topic. Point is people's personal failings or religions leanings should not be imposed upon others in a free society. It's a pretty simple point and just because people don't exercise personal responsibility in a manner that agrees with your beliefs doesn't mean their actions should be illegal.

Many other things left up to personal choice get messed up, maybe they should be outlawed too. Outlawing credit cards, children, pets, eating, hot pants on fat women, etc...


Doc, what do you think the "age of consent" should be?  Do you agree that it should be a law?


Another sort of off-topic question for you doc.  Do you support the type of healthcare system/coverage that Obama is proposing?
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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2008, 11:04:36 AM »
Porn is an exercise in free will.

Age of consent is 17 in NY. Truth be told I've met people way older too stupid to risk passing their DNA on so it's impossible to say that any legal age prevents teen pregnancies and future problems. In a perfect world, I'd say 18 as long as the kids are automatically emancipated and not entitled to sponge off the parents. :)

Obama is clueless. No one is being honest about what Universal healthcare would really cost or how incompetent the US Govt. is in administering other programs it runs already. We do need something but it has to be realistic and also has to make people be responsible for their own health to some extent. Simply redistributing wealth won't work. At some point  govt incompetence, chronic cases and increased life expectancies will push the costs beyond what raising taxes on the rich can afford. The people who can afford a tax increase the least will end up being screwed... even though they use the most healthcare.

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2008, 08:05:13 PM »
"Porn is an exercise in free will."
sorry that's not true at all.
I'm an ex porn webmaster,
porn is an exercise in organized crime.





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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2008, 08:18:35 PM »
"Porn is an exercise in free will."
sorry that's not true at all.
I'm an ex porn webmaster,
porn is an exercise in organized crime.

A Porn-again Christian?  :)

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2008, 08:55:47 PM »
It's not wisdom, HM! You already know the morbidly obese are a drain. No one is ever going to win a fight with the diabetic's Oreo, LOL! That's just the way life is.

Obviously I'm not talking about a nice big butt or a little extra junk in the trunk.  :)


I am morbidly obese. :-\
I hate the State.