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Pornography is good for a free society
« on: June 29, 2008, 03:45:51 AM »

Because i have and addiction, i go to a sex addicts group, for my addiction to porn. That is why i believe porn it is evil

It doesn't work for everyone, but I when I was younger, I had a sip of beer, hated the stuff, and never had much of a 'desire' for it.  So, for almost my entire life, I haven't drunk that much alcohol.  Over the past decade, I've had drinks maybe 5-6 times per year...although that's gonna go WAY up this year. lol

My parents and grandfather all smoked back then as well and I hated smoke.  I tried smoking a cigarette once as a teenager and then participated in a fraternity smoker in college and haven't touched the stuff since. 

With regards to pornographic images, I first saw stuff a long, long time ago, and back then, it was a thrill to find an old Playboy or Penthouse.  I wasn't raised to obsess over or to be ashamed of my body or sexuality (that's what Mormonism teaches, though), but because I had common sense, my parents didn't have to talk to me about pornography - or drugs, for that matter - at all.  Like alcohol, I 'consume' it in moderation.   

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 04:58:54 AM »
Common sense isn't very common. :)

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2008, 07:00:42 AM »
I agree.
I hate the State.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2008, 09:29:09 AM »
It's like a rapist saying vaginas are all evil.

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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 09:23:35 PM »
It doesn't work for everyone, but I when I was younger, I had a sip of beer, hated the stuff, and never had much of a 'desire' for it.  So, for almost my entire life, I haven't drunk that much alcohol.  Over the past decade, I've had drinks maybe 5-6 times per year...although that's gonna go WAY up this year. lol

My parents and grandfather all smoked back then as well and I hated smoke.  I tried smoking a cigarette once as a teenager and then participated in a fraternity smoker in college and haven't touched the stuff since. 

With regards to pornographic images, I first saw stuff a long, long time ago, and back then, it was a thrill to find an old Playboy or Penthouse.  I wasn't raised to obsess over or to be ashamed of my body or sexuality (that's what Mormonism teaches, though), but because I had common sense, my parents didn't have to talk to me about pornography - or drugs, for that matter - at all.  Like alcohol, I 'consume' it in moderation.   

What does that have to do with a free society?

With pornography becoming more and more common, people need more and more extreme images to get the same thrill. The rise in petofiles, people need something more.

As to the common sense thing i applaud you on being the exceptional human being and being able to control yourself. 99% of the human race isnt like that, just look at most college kids, they have to go extreme. Getting drunk all the time, smoking weed, lots of unprotected sex.

My porn addiction, you would call normal male behavior, but choose i to hold myself to a higher standard. i dont blame porn for my addiction, i only blame myself for my action. I need to learn to master myself. God gives us demons and challenges to over come to make us stronger and better people

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 11:51:20 AM »
What does that have to do with a free society?

With pornography becoming more and more common, people need more and more extreme images to get the same thrill. The rise in petofiles, people need something more.

As to the common sense thing i applaud you on being the exceptional human being and being able to control yourself. 99% of the human race isnt like that, just look at most college kids, they have to go extreme. Getting drunk all the time, smoking weed, lots of unprotected sex.

My porn addiction, you would call normal male behavior, but choose i to hold myself to a higher standard. i dont blame porn for my addiction, i only blame myself for my action. I need to learn to master myself. God gives us demons and challenges to over come to make us stronger and better people

LOL!!!

I bet you wrassle that demon on a regular basis. :)

You must be a gimmick, no one is this silly.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2008, 08:24:44 PM »
LOL!!!

I bet you wrassle that demon on a regular basis. :)

You must be a gimmick, no one is this silly.

I am 100% SERIOUS!

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 09:49:32 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 09:50:54 AM »
You must be a gimmick, no one is this silly.

Believe it or not, they really are that wacky. 

I married into the culture (long story), but trust me, Gen is 100% legit.  He's not making this stuff up...if he were to endorse the 'good' in porn, he's probably afraid he'd be excommunicated or at a minimum, he would be denied 'blessings of the spirit'. 

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 12:11:25 PM »
Believe it or not, they really are that wacky. 

I married into the culture (long story), but trust me, Gen is 100% legit.  He's not making this stuff up...if he were to endorse the 'good' in porn, he's probably afraid he'd be excommunicated or at a minimum, he would be denied 'blessings of the spirit'. 

I'm not convinced "the culture" is responsible for dumassedness.

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2008, 09:12:24 AM »
How is Porn good for a free society?

I think genrommel has a point here "With pornography becoming more and more common or accessible, people need more and more extreme images to get the same thrill." This is the same with every vice though; frequent users or addicts build up tolerances and there becomes a need to get higher.

I think those that look at pornography have other issues that need to be attended to.
I think it’s a cry for intimacy; something deep inside that they are missing but are trying to obtain only artificially.

Pornography is a perversion of the intimacy that should be shared by a man and a woman and in privacy. Not like two dogs humping for everyone to see (or pay to see). Most people I know that view porn are hypocrites anyway especially the men with daughters. Most when asked would not want their daughters doing porn.

Genrommel you don’t need a group to help you out, you need true intimacy; Porn has only perverted that truth. Find a mate that will compliment you mentally, sexually, emotionally, physically and spiritually and you won’t have a desire for porn.

Porn destroys, case closed!
HM out!

P.S. I would like to add that I have also been snared at times by this reproachable behavior and absolutely vile  representation of human sexuality.

I believe the women that are engrossed in the business have been manipulated financially, emotionally and sexually.

Many want to be mainstream actresses but have been forced into this line of work to survive or support some other form of depravity that they have been thrust into or have become addicted to.

I blame no one but their fathers, the men who should have protected their daughters from the many forms of predation. Sad existence they live in, many would much rather do something else more respectable.

That counterfeit glamorous life often leads to drug addiction and suicidal tendencies. I know from personal experience. (Family member was in the business).
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 08:11:44 PM »
pornography is most certainly an addiction.
no different that food, drugs or needles.
a mate who compliments a porn user/addict
mentally, sexually, emotionally, physically and spiritually
isn't going to be much of a person. or vice versa.
who would want to be with that person.

Thankfully the grace of God can deliver us
out of the darkness.
amen

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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2008, 06:37:20 PM »
You guys obviously have issues with porn.

Don't blame porn for the perceived moral weakness its enjoyment brings you. That's as silly as saying outlawing vaginas would end the crime of rape.

Porn is entertainment and should be taken as such. If someone jumped out of a window while trying to emulate Superman, we would all call them stupid. Same for anyone who tried to recreate porn in their 'real' life.

Freedom of religion should have been written "freedom from religion".  :)

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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2008, 09:25:36 PM »
Here is Ted Bundy's take on porn:

What we learned from Ted Bundy
By Leilani Corpus
Published March 1989

STARKE, FL (FR) – He was once an assistant director of the Seattle Crime Prevention advisory committee and even wrote a pamphlet instructing women on rape prevention. A one-time Boy Scout with a promising career in Washington state politics, Ted Bundy appeared to be an example of a good, upstanding citizen. But behind the congenial facade lurked a force which landed him in an electric chair in January of this year.

In the last few hours prior to his widely-publicized execution for the murder of as many as 50 young women and girls from Utah, Washington, Idaho, Colorado and Florida, the serial killer asked Christian psychologist James Dobson to visit him at the Florida State Prison. Bundy had corresponded with Dr. Dobson – a former member of President Reagan’s Commission on Pornography – for two years prior to their meeting. While anxious reporters waited outside, Bundy told Dobson about the influence of pornography on his behavior.

Bundy said he began casually reading soft-core pornography when he was 12 or 13 years old. His friends found pornographic books in the garbage cans in his neighborhood: “(F)rom time to time we would come across pornographic books of a harder nature … a more graphic, explicit nature than we would encounter at the local grocery store,” he told Dobson in the taped interview. “But slowly throughout the years reading pornography began to become a deadly habit.

“My experience with pornography … is once you become addicted to it, (and I look at this as a kind of addiction like other kinds of addiction), I would keep looking for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something that is harder, something which gives you a greater sense of excitement. Until you reach a point where the pornography only goes so far, you reach that jumping off point where you begin to wonder if maybe actually doing it would give you that which is beyond just reading or looking at it.”

Within a few years, those latent desires fueled by pornography were expressed through his first murder. Although Bundy said he did not blame pornography, he explained that pornographic materials shaped and molded his behavior. He also warned the nation that “the most damaging kinds of pornography … are those that involve violence and sexual violence. Because the wedding of those two forces, as I know only too well, brings out the hatred that is just, just too terrible to describe.”

Bundy said that pornography “snatched me out of my home 20, 30 years ago … and pornography can reach out and snatch a kid out of any house today.” His religious training and morality initially restrained him from acting out his fantasies, but he confessed that finally, “I couldn’t hold back anymore.”

Alcohol supposedly broke the restraints for him to commit his first murder. “What alcohol did in conjunction with exposure to pornography is (sic) alcohol reduced my inhibitions at the same time the fantasy life that was fueled by pornography eroded them further.”

While committing the murders, Bundy said he felt as if he was possessed by “something … awful and alien. There is just absolutely no way to describe first the brutal urge to do that kind of thing, and then what happens is once it has been more or less satisfied and recedes, you might say, or spent, that energy level recedes and basically I become myself again.”

“But basically I was a normal person. I wasn’t some guy hanging out at bars or a bum. I wasn’t a pervert in the sense that people look at somebody and say, ‘I know there is something wrong with him, you can just tell.’ I was essentially a normal person,” Bundy told Dobson. “The basic humanity and the basic spirit that God gave me was intact, but unfortunately became overwhelmed at times.”

Ted Bundy acknowledged that he deserved the death penalty, even though there were anti-death penalty demonstrators outside his prison cell up until the moment of his execution. “I deserve the most extreme punishment society has,” he said. “But I don’t want to die, I kid you not.”

Dobson said that Bundy wept several times during the interview: “He expressed great regret, remorse for what he had done, for the families that were hurting.” He spent his last night in prayer with a minister from Gainesville, Florida.

Bundy’s last words of confession and warning about pornography are an echo of statistics, research, and reports conducted within the last decade about the link between pornography and sexually violent crime. Unfortunately, many of the warnings in those reports still have not been heeded, and pornography has been taken for granted or considered a necessary evil.

According to a study conducted by a group of psychologists, Neil Malamuth of UCLA, Gene Abel of Columbia University, and William Marshall of Kingston Penitentiary, various forms of pornography can elicit fantasies which may lead to crime. Out of a test group of 18 rapists studied who used ‘consenting pornography’ to instigate a sexual offence, seven of them said that it provided a cue to elicit fantasies of forced sex.

A study released by the University of New Hampshire has proven that the states which have the highest readership of pornographic magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse also have the highest rape rates. The Michigan State Police department found that pornography is used or imitated in 41 percent of the sex crimes they have investigated.

The Free Congress Research and Education Foundation discovered that half of all rapists studied used soft core pornography to arouse themselves prior to seeking out a victim. Although researchers and media analysts may ballyhoo the impact of soft core pornography – claiming protection under the free speech provision of the Constitution – mounting evidence seems to be favoring a national crackdown on porn as a necessary means to stop crime.

In recent years, as more of this type of research has been published, significant gains have been made against pornographers as major retailers have removed porn from their shelves. Ted Bundy’s confessions to Dr. James Dobson – a leader of the largest segment of pro-family forces in the U.S. – promises to fuel the nationwide efforts being made on the state and local levels to eliminate the pornography problem.

http://forerunner.com/forerunner/X0332_Ted_Bundy.html

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Re: Pornography is good for a free society
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2008, 01:49:03 AM »
Here is Ted Bundy's take on porn:

Ted Bundy is your mentor on Porn ::)  Oh BB... Don't get dimented on us...  That you're a neocon is bad enough, but now you're passing on Bundy's opinions :-\

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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2008, 04:58:06 AM »
The Catholic church had a lot of pedophile priests, should we ban them too?

Don't blame a symptom for the disease.

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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2008, 09:20:17 AM »
You guys obviously have issues with porn.

Don't blame porn for the perceived moral weakness its enjoyment brings you. That's as silly as saying outlawing vaginas would end the crime of rape.

Porn is entertainment and should be taken as such. If someone jumped out of a window while trying to emulate Superman, we would all call them stupid. Same for anyone who tried to recreate porn in their 'real' life.

Freedom of religion should have been written "freedom from religion".  :)
I don't think this thread had anything to do with religion.

Anyway, I was answering the question of the thread "whether or not porn is good for a free society" I agree porn is entertainment. But I think porn has influenced many that are, as you call "morally weak" to deceive themselves about sexuality and the other side of that coin is possibly to commit heinous crimes against humanity. Therefore I don’t think porn is GOOD for a free society. Porn objectifies women and gives men a false sense of their role in what could be a healthy sexual relationship. Just because some woman choose to entertain us through porn or even strip clubs does not mean porn or adult enterainment is good for society.

Again I say this:
Pornography is a perversion of the intimacy that should be shared by a man and a woman...
Most people I know (including myself from time to time) that view porn are hypocrites anyway especially the men with daughters. Most when asked would not want their daughters doing porn.
This counterfeit glamorous life often leads to or perpetuates drug addiction and suicidal tendencies. I know from personal experience. (Family member was in the business).

My stand is Porn is not good for a free society, entertaining to many yes and bad for many!

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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2008, 09:51:32 AM »
Ted Bundy is your mentor on Porn ::)  Oh BB... Don't get dimented on us...  That you're a neocon is bad enough, but now you're passing on Bundy's opinions :-\

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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2008, 06:05:47 PM »
Did outlawing murder stop people from killing?

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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 06:22:25 PM »
Did outlawing murder stop people from killing?

Has murder ever been legal? 

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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2008, 08:47:16 PM »
if porn was just simple entertainment, then why are most porn stars victims of severe sexual trauma. rape, incest, etc. It almost seems that the particaptes have to damaged psychologically in order to convince themselves that it is a good thing for them.
 

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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2008, 09:00:04 AM »
if porn was just simple entertainment, then why are most porn stars victims of severe sexual trauma. rape, incest, etc. It almost seems that the particaptes have to damaged psychologically in order to convince themselves that it is a good thing for them.
 

Have you seen the VH1 Celebrity Rehab show? Three of the participants have been involved in pornography:

- Mary Ellen Cook (aka Mary Carey)
- Joanie Laurer (former pro wrestler, "Chyna")
- Jaimee Foxworth (child star, played Judy Winslow on "Family Matters" sitcom)

At least two (Laurer and Cook) of them cited abuse in their childhood and adolescent life, which may have played a role in getting into porn. Others cite desperation and lack of money, like Foxworth. She got booted off "Family Matters" due to her parents' demands for more money coupled with that lack of interest in her character ("Judy Winslow"), as the interest in Jaleel White ("Steve Urkel") skyrocketed.

With no new TV roles coming her way, Foxworth turned to drugs and alcohol. And with her money flying away on the wings of eagles (allegedly due to her parents squandering her earnings), she turned to porn, which she now admits was the biggest mistake of her life.


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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 09:42:13 AM »
Most [men] when asked would not want their daughters doing porn.
 



THis is interesting. 

drkaje, would you mind if your daughter(s) did porn?

Tre and Hugo, not sure if either of you have children but if you had a daughter would you mind if she did porn?

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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2008, 10:31:53 AM »
THis is interesting. 

drkaje, would you mind if your daughter(s) did porn?

Tre and Hugo, not sure if either of you have children but if you had a daughter would you mind if she did porn?



Well, if your kid is doing porn... there have been a few parenting mistakes along the way. The "what if it were your kid" argument is weak. I'll tell you why but I'm only ever going to write this once so pay very close attention. Asking that question gives others permission to ask; "would you want your kid to be fat?". It asserts that society has the right/responsibility interfere in the lives of others. I'm far more offended by obesity than porn. But my values are personal and the right to enforce them stops at me.

You all are getting off the topic. Point is people's personal failings or religions leanings should not be imposed upon others in a free society. It's a pretty simple point and just because people don't exercise personal responsibility in a manner that agrees with your beliefs doesn't mean their actions should be illegal.

Many other things left up to personal choice get messed up, maybe they should be outlawed too. Outlawing credit cards, children, pets, eating, hot pants on fat women, etc...

Geronimo, for example, thinks porn is evil but still looks at it. Instead of taking personal responsibility, he blames porn and is foolish enough to believe that removing the temptation means there would be no problem.

Wouldn't want one of my kids doing porn but would still love them. A lot of people do far more harmful things in life and to the world than porn. The Enron guys and Invading Iraq are perfect examples of this. :)

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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2008, 10:48:11 AM »
The question still remains "is pornography good for a free society?"

I see no value added but I see a multitude of problems associated with porn.

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