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Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« on: June 30, 2008, 11:48:02 AM »
I watched most of his speech this morning.  He made some good points, but the whole thing was a bit disingenuous.  He had his crony Clark taking shots at McCain yesterday and then tries to take the high road today.   ::)

Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism

(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama defended his patriotism Monday, telling a crowd in Independence, Missouri, that his "deep and abiding love for this country" is the reason he is running for president.

"At certain times over the last 16 months, I have found, for the first time, my patriotism challenged -- at times as a result of my own carelessness, more often as a result of the desire by some to score political points and raise fears and doubts about who I am and what I stand for," he said in President Harry Truman's hometown, just days before the Fourth of July.

Obama vowed to never question the patriotism of others in the campaign, adding "I will not stand idly by when I hear others question mine."

Obama has been defending his patriotism ever since the beginning of the primary season, when he was first criticized for not wearing a flag pin -- which he now does much more frequently -- and when false rumors began circulating that he did not say the Pledge of Allegiance.

A widely distributed photo also seemed to show him failing to place his hand over his heart during a rendition of "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Obama's wife, Michelle, also was criticized about her patriotism, after telling an audience at a campaign event, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country."

Obama's campaign said she was just excited about the campaign's grassroots support, but her words still provided fodder for her husband's opponents.

At his appearance Monday, Barack Obama appealed to unity. "Given the enormous challenges that lie before us, we can no longer afford these sorts of divisions," he said. "None of us expect that arguments about patriotism will, or should, vanish entirely; after all, when we argue about patriotism, we are arguing about who we are as a country, and more importantly, who we should be.

"But surely, we can agree that no party or political philosophy has a monopoly on patriotism. And surely, we can arrive at a definition of patriotism that, however rough and imperfect, captures the best of America's common spirit."

Obama said that for him, "patriotism starts as a gut instinct, a loyalty and love for country that's rooted in some of my earliest memories."

Obama described how as he grew up, his patriotism matured to something that "would survive my growing awareness of our nation's imperfections: its ongoing racial strife; the perversion of our political system that were laid bare during the Watergate hearings; the wrenching poverty of the Mississippi Delta and the hills of Appalachia."

Obama said he learned that "what makes America great has never been its perfection, but the belief that it can be made better."

Patriotism, he said, must involve the willingness to sacrifice. He called attention to the service of John McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate.

McCain's campaign has been calling on Obama to condemn comments from retired Gen. Wesley Clark, who said this weekend that McCain's service in Vietnam did not necessarily mean that he was qualified to serve as commander-in-chief. Read about what Clark said

Clark is a military adviser for Obama.

In his speech Monday, Obama did not directly address Clark's comments, but after calling attention to McCain's service, he said "no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters of both sides."

"We must always express our profound gratitude for the service of our men and women in uniform. Period," he said.

Just as Obama was finishing his speech, his campaign released a statement about Clark's remarks.

"As he's said many times before, Sen. Obama honors and respects Sen. McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by Gen. Clark," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said.

Meanwhile, McCain's campaign announced Monday it was launching a new Truth Squad to defend the Arizona senator's military record.

Leaders of the latest group include McCain's fellow Vietnam prisoners of war Air Force Col. Bud Day and Marine Lt. Col. Orson Swindle, along with former Navy pilot Carl Smith, who served with him.

McCain said Monday he was proud of his record of service.

"The important thing is that if that's the kind of campaign that Sen. Obama and his surrogates and his supporters want to engage in, I understand that," he said.

"But it doesn't reduce the price of a gallon of gas by one penny. It doesn't achieve our energy independence or make it come any closer ... and it certainly doesn't do anything to address the challenges that Americans have in keeping their jobs, their homes and supporting their families."

Obama was to follow up Monday's speech on patriotism with an address Tuesday about faith and remarks later in the week on service. He will spend his Fourth of July in Butte, Montana, campaigning with his family.

McCain on Monday was campaigning in Pennsylvania, a battleground state in the general election. He was scheduled to speak with reporters in Harrisburg before holding a town hall meeting in Pipersville.

McCain leaves for Colombia on Tuesday and will travel to Mexico later in the week.

His campaign on Monday unveiled his new campaign airplane, a Boeing 737-400.

The aircraft shares its name -- the "Straight Talk Express" with McCain's campaign bus, which has been a staple of the candidate's 2000 and 2008 campaigns.

The 95-seat plane -- with seats for the candidate, his staffers and the press -- has the "Straight Talk Express" logo emblazoned on its fuselage.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/30/campaign.wrap/index.html

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2008, 11:55:57 AM »
Pretty sad that he acknowledges that he has issues with patriotism, enought to address the issue as his mistakes (at least now he admits they were mistakes and a lapse of judgements). Sorry but he even admits that he has low levels of patriotism, I've never heard of anyone having to hold "their guard up" out of inconsistencies to show their patriotism or lack of for that matter.


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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 12:31:33 PM »
He had his crony Clark taking shots at McCain yesterday

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(CNN) — Barack Obama formally rejected Gen. Wesley Clark's recent comments Monday that questioned whether the John McCain's military experience qualified him to be commander in chief.

"As he's said many times before, Senator Obama honors and respects Senator McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by General Clark," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 02:13:33 PM »
The fact that anybody running for President has to justify or explain that their patriotic, immediatly disqualifies them from being president. What party wants to run from Iraq...what party wrote "General Betryaus"....what party won't let us drill......
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 02:22:14 PM »
The fact that anybody running for President has to justify or explain that their patriotic
Oh you twit... You fuckers say that against every dem running ::)    I've heard the unpatriotic claim against Obama, against Kerry, against Gore, and bigtime against Clinton  ::) 

Jackass...

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 02:24:16 PM »
The fact that anybody running for President has to justify or explain that their patriotic, immediatly disqualifies them from being president. What party wants to run from Iraq...what party wrote "General Betryaus"....what party won't let us drill......

He's definitely trying to have it both ways.  Send out his minions to attack McCain's service, then try and take the "high road" by disavowing those comments.   ::)

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 02:26:21 PM »
Which Clinton?


Haha no one scrutinized their patriotism (Clinton) and at least Kerry served. Gore? Well he invented patriotism.


I don't know where Clark gets the gaul to attack a man like McCain, he only wishes.

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 02:38:04 PM »
The fact that anybody running for President has to justify or explain that their patriotic, immediatly disqualifies them from being president. What party wants to run from Iraq...what party wrote "General Betryaus"....what party won't let us drill......

-you're telling usthe dems want to "run" out of iraq   ??? ???, get real. it's the american public majoirty who want OUT of iraq. I'm not even a dem, im independant

 The dems came up with "betrayus" we all know moveon.org came up with "gerneral betrayus". the same moveon.org who was chomping at the bits to impeach a dem president  ::)

-the dems wont let us  drill? this has been the sole argument of the conservative base...i dont even listen to mark levin anymore hes a broken record...theres millions upon millions of acres to drill...no pregress in sight as far as that goes

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 02:44:23 PM »
They started by passing around a petition asking Congress to "censure President Clinton and move on", as opposed to impeaching him...guess u got that one wrong...lets see. Drilling yes the Dems have blocked off shore drilling and drilling in ANWAR. They are going to loose that one as most Americans want to drill. Ye syes I know Jeb bush didn't want to drill...never was up to him and the fight to make it happen would....never have gotten anywhere.

The American people don't even know what the hell is happening in Iraq, just like after TET in Vietnam, they thought we were loosing.
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 02:51:25 PM »
Which Clinton?


Haha no one scrutinized their patriotism (Clinton) and at least Kerry served. Gore? Well he invented patriotism.


I don't know where Clark gets the gaul to attack a man like McCain, he only wishes.

oh bullshit... The same crap is leveled against every dem and yes, it was againt Bill Clinton... In fact the military had a goddamned meltdown over the prospect and a near mutiny when he won.  I've been around the block jackass... I remember this shit.

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2008, 02:55:03 PM »
Yeah..because of the stories coming out about him. We thought he would suck and he did. It was more the people who surrounded him....He continued to gut the DOD, "Don't ask don't tell", intergrated basic training, the list is long.
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 02:58:42 PM »
no mention of the party that contrived "betrayus".....

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the american people want to drill offshore, from a touch of brainwash and the hope for a spec of relief for fuel prices. The theory that drilling offshore will taint fuel prices is utter horseshit.


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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 03:05:48 PM »
Yeah believe that all u want. An article come s about how prices might go up...and they do....what will happen when a law passes saying we're drilling..or production begins on rigs. Yeah lets just whine and complain about those prices....lets talk about it more...that will help.

The dems, along with Moveon.org came up with it...those people were'nt Republicans.  ::)
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 03:09:01 PM »
Yeah..because of the stories coming out about him. We thought he would suck and he did. It was more the people who surrounded him....He continued to gut the DOD, "Don't ask don't tell", intergrated basic training, the list is long.
I rest my case ::)

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2008, 03:10:18 PM »
Oh wait ur right...the military was a wonderful place under Clinton...we loved him.
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2008, 03:22:16 PM »
Oh wait ur right...the military was a wonderful place under Clinton...we loved him.
Thanks for missing the point.  "was" was not this issue WAS it ;)

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2008, 03:26:25 PM »
Yeah I guess I must have...
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2008, 03:28:52 PM »
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2008, 03:51:06 PM »
Yeah I guess I must have...
Ok, wow... The point was that you all challenge the patriotism of every dem candidate...  With Clinton as one example, the challenge to his patriotism was before and at the start of his presidency.  Your opinion of what kind of president he was is irrelevant to the point.  Get it now?...

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2008, 03:53:04 PM »
I've got an EBAY item getting ready to be sold and I'm getting alot of stupid questions.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2008, 04:31:57 PM »
Yeah believe that all u want. An article come s about how prices might go up...and they do....what will happen when a law passes saying we're drilling..or production begins on rigs. Yeah lets just whine and complain about those prices....lets talk about it more...that will help.

The dems, along with Moveon.org came up with it...those people were'nt Republicans.  ::)

Hey, whatever happend to looking out for our future generation. I thought Gore used to talk about this in his ice age movie, haha.

So drilling right now, helps out our future generations until the lab shit like solar, and fuel cells are economically viable. I don't see anyone on this board driving a 80k solar fuel powered car, and having their electricity generated by solar panels.

Maybe dems should fertilize their own shit?

And fuel their bodies with that, so everyone else can enjoy the gas that they would be consuming...

haha

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2008, 04:49:31 PM »
Ok, wow... The point was that you all challenge the patriotism of every dem candidate...  With Clinton as one example, the challenge to his patriotism was before and at the start of his presidency.  Your opinion of what kind of president he was is irrelevant to the point.  Get it now?...

 I wasn't challenging his patriotism. He made some comments..very few. There were examples of how some of the military in the Whitehouse, were treated by staffers.
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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2008, 03:35:07 AM »
I wasn't challenging his patriotism. He made some comments..very few. There were examples of how some of the military in the Whitehouse, were treated by staffers.
HH6, good god man...

You said: "The fact that anybody running for President has to justify or explain that their patriotic"

I said: "yea but you guys challenge every dem's patriotism"

I'm not saying JUST YOU, I'm quite clearly addressing the right in general which puts that cantidate being challenged in a position to defend.

I hope you get my point now... ::)

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Re: Obama responds to attacks on his patriotism
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2008, 07:00:02 AM »
Dude....I said having to explain that ur patriotic, and how ur patriotic ought to disqualify him from even running. It should be taken for granted that any Presidential hopeful is patriotic, yet Obama has to explain it. He had to make a speech. Every time some Lib runs for president he has to expalin it, why because if he said what he really is...a socialist douchbag...he get crushed in the general election.
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