Author Topic: Heinz Sr. - not a good structure at all (Read 2801 times)

TheSoulCrusher · « **on:** June 30, 2008, 03:47:43 PM »

I'm not sure how this poor guy got his pro card, he may have the worst structure of any pro, except Ken Jones. Looks like another last place finish for Big Heinz. I'm sure the boys over at ProM will continue to tell this guy he looks great and that he's in the best condition ever

ironneck · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2008, 03:49:55 PM »

heinz senior is one of the best pros out there

CQ · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2008, 03:53:42 PM »

Quote from: TheSoulCrusher on June 30, 2008, 03:47:43 PM

I'm not sure how this poor guy got his pro card, he may have the worst structure of any pro,

Neither is anyone here as he never won any of the traditional shows needed to be awarded a pro card. No offence to Heinz, and more power to him I guess.

Bluto · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2008, 03:54:26 PM »

CQ · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:06:03 PM »

Quote from: TheSoulCrusher on June 30, 2008, 04:04:34 PM

I'm not sure he could win a Nat'l show here in the states

Not to flame the guy, but I am pretty sure he never won a national show anywhere.

timfogarty · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:06:37 PM »

Quote from: CQ on June 30, 2008, 03:53:42 PM

Neither is anyone here as he never won any of the traditional shows needed to be awarded a pro card. No offence to Heinz, and more power to him I guess.

Venezuelan national championships, probably South American Amateur Championships

candidizzle · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:20:41 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on June 30, 2008, 04:06:37 PM

Venezuelan national championships, probably South American Amateur Championships

nah on an in the trenches video with him and victor moartinez he says that he got his pro card because in his countries bodybuilding championship all the guys who placed ahead of him failed the drug tests, so by default he got the WIN, and they gave the winner of that show a pro card.

LOL

CQ · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:30:03 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on June 30, 2008, 04:06:37 PM

Venezuelan national championships, probably South American Amateur Championships

Not doubting you one bit Tim, but are you aware of which year that was? And was it IFBB?

Quote from: candidizzle on June 30, 2008, 04:20:41 PM

nah on an in the trenches video with him and victor moartinez he says that he got his pro card because in his countries bodybuilding championship all the guys who placed ahead of him failed the drug tests, so by default he got the WIN, and they gave the winner of that show a pro card.

LOL

See, this is what I, nor many others here don't get. That just doesn't fit...not saying it is a lie, but that would be very unusual.

The Venezuelan Championship does *not* earn you pro status. They need to go onto the Central American and Caribbean champs and win there, as Gustavo did. I've competed both in Venezuela, and with the Venezuelan group - and that is always the deal.

candidizzle · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:34:06 PM »

Quote from: CQ on June 30, 2008, 04:30:03 PM

Not doubting you one bit Tim, but are you aware of which year that was? And was it IFBB?

See, this is what I, nor many others here don't get. That just doesn't fit...not saying it is a lie, but that would be very unusual.

The Venezuelan Championship does *not* earn you pro status. They need to go onto the Central American and Caribbean champs and win there, as Gustavo did. I've competed both in Venezuela, and with the Venezuelan group - and that is always the deal.

i think i remember him saying something about his countries olympics?

idk

ill go watch the video again and report back

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:38:42 PM »

Quote from: CQ on June 30, 2008, 04:30:03 PM

The Venezuelan Championship does *not* earn you pro status. They need to go onto the Central American and Caribbean champs and win there, as Gustavo did. I've competed both in Venezuela, and with the Venezuelan group - and that is always the deal.

Milos says a national champion in any country can get a pro card if only the national federation asks for one. They have that right but most countries don't use it.

CQ · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:47:50 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on June 30, 2008, 04:38:42 PM

Milos says a national champion in any country can get a pro card if only the national federation asks for one. They have that right but most countries don't use it.

Yes, I know it can be done, but down here - it practically never is.

Gustavo competed a few times at the ProQ before winning the overall and going pro. Same with everyone else that went pro from this region - Darrem, Stubbs etc. I know of no one else besides Heinz who went pro from here without winning the overall - maybe there is 1 or 2 that I don't know of course, but I doubt there are many as I am pretty tuned into my regions activities.

Quote from: candidizzle on June 30, 2008, 04:34:06 PM

i think i remember him saying something about his countries olympics?

ill go watch the video again and report back

Plz do, lol, I am interested

JohnnyVegas · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:58:56 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on June 30, 2008, 04:38:42 PM

Milos says a national champion in any country can get a pro card if only the national federation asks for one. They have that right but most countries don't use it.

I think Milos might say that because he got his Pro card 5 years AFTER he won a Yugoslavia show, by writing a letter to Ben Wieder asking to be a pro-not by qualifying the way most guys do. At that time a pro card could NOT be earned by winning a countries national champrionship, you had to win your countries Nationals, then World Championships/Mr. Universe to get a pro card (just ask Tim Belknap and Berry DeMay).

timfogarty · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:14:05 PM »

Quote from: CQ on June 30, 2008, 04:30:03 PM

Not doubting you one bit Tim, but are you aware of which year that was? And was it IFBB?

yes, it was the IFBB as they have pretty much a monopoly in Venezuela, unlike someplace like Mexico where the IFBB does not dominate. His website says "Four times Heavyweight Champion, Venezuela: 1992,1994,1996,2002" and "Caribbean Championships, South American Championships" but doesn't give the years.

http://ironpeople.spaces.live.com/default.aspx?_c01_MemberProfileTile=showdefault&_c=MemberProfileTile

candidizzle · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:20:13 PM »

he says it goes through the government..
to be on the olympic team

they drug test every two months

at the nationals, he won it 5 times.. then he asked what else he had to do to get his pro card..cuz he had been competing 19 years... then they told him stay negative on the drug test for nationals next year... so he did, and he took 4 th place... out of 15.. 14 failed the drug test.. they declared him champion and toold him he got his pro card

thats his story accoriding to him

(sorry if it isnt written so well, i wrote it as he spoke it

timfogarty · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:24:54 PM »

Quote from: candidizzle on June 30, 2008, 05:20:13 PM

he says it goes through the government..
to be on the olympic team

in what sport for the Olympic team? Bodybuilding has never been in the Olympics

Quote

thats his story accoriding to him
(sorry if it isnt written so well, i wrote it as he spoke it

ask him what years did he compete in the IFBB CAC Championships and the SA Championships

candidizzle · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:26:13 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on June 30, 2008, 05:24:54 PM

in what sport for the Olympic team? Bodybuilding has never been in the Olympics
ask him what years did he compete in the IFBB CAC Championships and the SA Championships

bodybuilding in his countries olympic team

i am not talking to him, i was watching a video with him in it and i was typing what he said as he was speaking in the video

FLYLO · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:41:35 PM »

This is the best I've seen him.

CQ · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:50:58 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on June 30, 2008, 05:14:05 PM

yes, it was the IFBB as they have pretty much a monopoly in Venezuela, unlike someplace like Mexico where the IFBB does not dominate. His website says "Four times Heavyweight Champion, Venezuela: 1992,1994,1996,2002" and "Caribbean Championships, South American Championships" but doesn't give the years.

http://ironpeople.spaces.live.com/default.aspx?_c01_MemberProfileTile=showdefault&_c=MemberProfileTile

Thanks alot Tim.

That appears to be a class win only, not the overall...from his phrasing? I am 99% sure he never won the Caribbean Championships.

Quote from: candidizzle on June 30, 2008, 05:20:13 PM

he says it goes through the government..
to be on the olympic team

they drug test every two months

at the nationals, he won it 5 times.. then he asked what else he had to do to get his pro card..cuz he had been competing 19 years... then they told him stay negative on the drug test for nationals next year... so he did, and he took 4 th place... out of 15.. 14 failed the drug test.. they declared him champion and toold him he got his pro card

thats his story accoriding to him

(sorry if it isnt written so well, i wrote it as he spoke it

Thanks for the report Candi, explains alot

I think by Olympics, he may mean how we do it here. We undergo the same Olympic level drug testing, and basically get the same level of government sponsorships Olympians do - so the term gets used [incorrectly] here sometimes.

candidizzle · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:53:05 PM »

basically what i got out of his story-

he had bodybuilded for 19 years and kissed ass to the right people for the entirre time. when i finally asked what he had to do to get his pro card, they set up a fixed contest for himm and gave it to him for being such a hard working ass kisser.

Disgusted · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:54:26 PM »

Leave Heinz alone. Heinz is a good guy who loves what he does and is doing the best with what he has and yes, this is the best that I have seen him so far.

timfogarty · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2008, 06:01:18 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on June 30, 2008, 05:54:26 PM

Leave Heinz alone. Heinz is a good guy who loves what he does and is doing the best with what he has

and how is that different than all the other pros that getbig picks on?

Chick · « **Reply #21 on:** June 30, 2008, 06:03:52 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on June 30, 2008, 05:54:26 PM

Leave Heinz alone. Heinz is a good guy who loves what he does and is doing the best with what he has and yes, this is the best that I have seen him so far.

Agreed...there's got to be 57 reasons to like Heinz..!

candidizzle · « **Reply #22 on:** June 30, 2008, 06:06:51 PM »

i prefer the filipino banana ketchup to heinz

Disgusted · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2008, 06:07:59 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on June 30, 2008, 06:01:18 PM

and how is that different than all the other pros that getbig picks on?

Aahhhhhh, good point.

Sorry, for a second I forgot where I was.

CQ · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2008, 06:10:07 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on June 30, 2008, 05:54:26 PM

Leave Heinz alone. Heinz is a good guy who loves what he does and is doing the best with what he has and yes, this is the best that I have seen him so far.

I've made no attacks on the guy, never do, but feel as he got his pro card through unusual means my comments are perfectly acceptable.

If an American placed 4th at nationals, and got his pro card, while many guys who won nationals, placed 2nd, 3rd, 4th over the years did *not* get pro status I think Americans would probably have much to say about that.

Author Topic: Heinz Sr. - not a good structure at all (Read 2801 times)

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