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Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« on: July 04, 2008, 08:25:42 PM »
Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- One week after Sen. Hillary Clinton made a public show of unity with Sen. Barack Obama, a new survey suggests supporters of the New York senator are increasingly less likely to follow her lead.

A growing number of Clinton supporters polled say they may stay home in November instead of casting their ballot for Obama, an indication the party has yet to coalesce around the Illinois senator four weeks after the most prolonged and at times divisive primary race in modern American history came to a close.

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Friday, the number of Clinton supporters who plan to defect to Republican Sen. John McCain's camp is down from one month ago, but -- in what could be an ominous sign for Obama as he seeks to unify the party -- the number of them who say they plan to vote for Obama is also down, and a growing number say they may not vote at all.

In a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey completed in early June before the New York senator ended her White House bid, 60 percent of Clinton backers polled said they planned on voting for Obama. In the latest poll, that number has dropped to 54 percent.

In early June, 22 percent of Clinton supporters polled said they would not vote at all if Obama were the party's nominee, now close to a third say they will stay home.

In another sign the wounds of the heated primary race have yet to heal, 43 percent of registered Democrats polled still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party's presidential nominee.  Watch why Clinton supporters are struggling with supporting Obama »

That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when 35 percent of Democrats polled said they preferred Clinton to lead the party's presidential ticket.

Obama won 59 percent of support from registered Democrats polled in June; now he garners 54 percent.

"These things always take time to heal," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst. "I think Clinton's supporters are waiting to see if Sen. Obama will pick her as vice president. That would certainly be very healing to them."  Watch how the five stages of grief apply to the situation »

But most political observers agree the prospects of an Obama-Clinton ticket are dim, most notably because Clinton remains a divisive figure in American politics and Obama's message of change threatens to be muddled by the 16 years Clinton has spent in Washington

But the question remains whether Obama can win enough Democrats without Clinton as his No. 2.

"If he doesn't pick her, a later stage of grief is depression and then acceptance," Schneider said. "In the end I expect Clinton supporters will accept Obama, because they will listen to Sen. Clinton, who has said the stakes are too high for Democrats to sulk."

The analysts said maybe more than four weeks is needed for many of Clinton's most devoted supporters to move past her loss, especially considering the primary campaign stretched more than 17 months.

"Many voters find it tough to immediately switch allegiances to a candidate that they once opposed, so they find a 'neutral' setting more comfortable for awhile," said Keating Holland, CNN polling director. "If that's what is happening to the Clinton supporters who now say they plan to stay at home, Obama may have nothing to worry about. If not, there's a big chunk of the party base that Obama won't be able to count on in November."

While Clinton's stock among many Democrats remains high in the latest poll, her husband's is decidedly lower since a year ago.

Much has been made of Bill Clinton's role in his wife's White House bid -- the increasingly aggressive campaign style, the sharpened attacks leveled at Obama that some viewed as carrying racial overtones and the outbursts at some reporters over what he viewed as unfair media coverage.

The former president increasingly came under fire from neutral Democrats and party elders concerned he was fracturing the party in an election cycle during which Democrats appeared to hold the advantage in nearly every way.

Among all registered voters questioned in the latest poll, his approval rating is down 9 points in just more than a year, from 60 percent to 51 percent.

"Former presidents are supposed to be above politics, but Bill Clinton couldn't be above it in this campaign since his wife was a candidate for president," Schneider said. "But he was seen as too political. Democrats thought it was appropriate for him to support his wife but not appropriate to get overly critical of Obama."


So can Clinton, who left office eight years ago with approval ratings well over 60 percent, repair his image with most Americans?

"He needs to show he's gotten over it," Schneider said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/index.html

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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 11:53:52 PM »
This is why Obama will put Hilary on the ticket.

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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2008, 07:05:43 AM »
Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama

'Some'?  ha

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- One week after Sen. Hillary Clinton made a public show of unity with Sen. Barack Obama, a new survey suggests supporters of the New York senator are increasingly less likely to follow her lead.

No one saw it. 

And of those few who did, even less cared. 

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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2008, 08:42:45 PM »
'Some'?  ha

No one saw it. 

And of those few who did, even less cared. 


He has to figure out a way to do nothing but give speeches from now until November.   :)

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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2008, 12:05:43 AM »
He has to figure out a way to do nothing but give speeches from now until November.   :)

Does he?

I think a yellow shirt with spaghetti stains could beat McCain at this point. 

The lower the DOW gets, the more pissed off republicans that decide not to vote for Bush 3rd term.

The higher oil goes, the higher gas goes, the more food costs, LESS people vote mccain.


The only thing Obama needs to do is take the microphone and say "I'm going to do the opposite of what Bush is doing" and walk away.  That's the only speech he needs to get elected, Beach Bum.  This isn't a flame on you... you're correct that Obama is no specifics and all hype... BUT... the repubs have rubbed Americans' noses in "we don't listen to you, even if 99% of you are against this war"... and people really don't like that.

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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2008, 12:08:17 AM »
Yawn.  Wrong. 

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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2008, 12:12:48 AM »
Yawn.  Wrong. 

Okay.

Tell me why you believe that if the Dow is at 9000, Oil is at $170, Gas is at $5, and unemployment is at 6%...

People will decide to trust the experience of Mccain over the change message of Obama.


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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2008, 12:22:25 AM »
Against my better judgment . . .

Frankly, it's absurd to conclude the race is a slam dunk one way or the other.  It will be a close race, just like the last two, and come down to a handful of key states. 

Obama has offered nothing that will fix the economy.  He has talked primarily about raising taxes and spending money.  That won't fix squat.  His promise to raise capital gains taxes will not help him win over independents.  There is no incentive for independents to vote for him.  I'm certainly not going to vote for him.       

The people, like you, who say McCain = Bush are talking out of both sides of their mouths.  In one breath call you call him Bush.  In the next breath you call him a liberal.   ::)

McCain is a maverick.  He has worked with Democrats for years.  Many Republicans don't like him.  He'll draw well from independents in part because of this.  That's one of the things I like about him.   

And the race issue cannot be discounted.  I doubt Obama overcomes it.   

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Re: Poll: Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2008, 12:34:16 AM »
I agree Obama is all hype.
I agree race is way bigger than anyone will admit to pollsters.

if the election was held today, I think mccain wins because people aren't honest with pollsters about race influencing their decision.

Mccain was a moderate, absolutely.  Until 2007.  He changed positions on that Bush tax policy.  He said many mean, accurate things about it until 07.  Then he suddenly liked it when he needed Bush backer money.

That tax policy put us in this mess.  And Mccain has to embrace it now.  If he wasn't on that, I bet me and ten million other voters would have mccain signs in his yard.  If he said what he said from 2000 thru 2006, that the plan is garbage, I'd love the guy.  He's right on US strength and the war, sure.  But because he wants to keep the Bush tax plan, well, world confidence in the dollar will keep falling.

Another few months of people losing jobs, dollar weaker, $5 gas and 9000 DOW... I mean, people will blame Bush, and they're going to associate Mccain with him.  because mccain CANT attack bush or he loses the RNC money and the big bush backers.