The most complete back of all time...

[NeoSeminole]

I understood what you said just fine you admittedly say its NOT scaled yet post it anyway whats the point?

no, you didn't understand otherwise you wouldn't have responded with such an idiotic post. What does scaling have to do with lower back thickness? Enlarging the pic of Dorian will make his erector spinae appear longer and wider but won't change its depth.

you're still wrong look at the difference in the spinal erectors there is NO contest Dorian's christmass tree > Ronnies period.

where is this thickness you're talking about? Dorian's lower back looks flat as a pancake compared to Ronnie's.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, you didn't understand otherwise you wouldn't have responded with such an idiotic post. What does scaling have to do with lower back thickness? Enlarging the pic of Dorian will make his erector spinae appear longer and wider but won't change its depth.

where is this thickness you're talking about? Dorian's lower back looks flat as a pancake compared to Ronnie's.

Again dummy you could have posted both pictures separately you choose NOT to I'm just pointing out your fan-boy delusions in posting such utter nonsense

and you claimed your knew anatomy my ass go fucking learn what spinal erectors are dummy not the indentation on Ronnie's lower back either

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flat as a pancake the dummy says lol

[NeoSeminole]

Again dummy you could have posted both pictures separately you choose NOT to I'm just pointing out your fan-boy delusions in posting such utter nonsense

none of that has to do with lower back thickness. And telling me to post each pic separately makes as much sense as me telling you to imagine them separately. You just choose not to, idiot.

and you claimed your knew anatomy my ass go fucking learn what spinal erectors are dummy not the indentation on Ronnie's lower back either

wtf are you talking about? I was referring to the lower back muscle.

[NeoSeminole]

Flat as a pancake the dummy says lol

what's funny is that Ronnie's lower back looks thicker in that shot, and that's a pre-pubescent Ronnie.

[NarcissisticDeity]

none of that has to do with lower back thickness. And telling me to post each pic separately makes as much sense as me telling you to imagine them separately. You just choose not to, idiot.

wtf are you talking about? I was referring to the lower back muscle.

Again stop posting your fan-boy comparisons of proof of anything all you do is fail each time you do 

Dorian's spinal erectors are thicker than Ronnie's and much more detailed , period. don't post an anatomy chart for me dummy I know where they are , obviously you don't if you're claiming Ronnie's are thicker or you need lasik

[NarcissisticDeity]

what's funny is that Ronnie's lower back looks thicker in that shot, and that's a pre-pubescent Ronnie.

( sighs  ) I'll leave that one alone .

[m8]

what's funny is that Ronnie's lower back looks thicker in that shot, and that's a pre-pubescent Ronnie.

Pre-pubescent? Dorian is only 2 years older 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Neo    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=532962

[NeoSeminole]

Again stop posting your fan-boy comparisons of proof of anything all you do is fail each time you do

ha ha ha, suuure. You will say whatever it takes to discredit anything that goes against your opinion. You're a sad, pathetic little man whose life is built upon being 'right' on an internet message board.

Dorian's spinal erectors are thicker than Ronnie's and much more detailed , period. don't post an anatomy chart for me dummy I know where they are , obviously you don't if you're claiming Ronnie's are thicker or you need lasik

you call that proof? All I see are pancakes.

[NeoSeminole]

Pre-pubescent? Dorian is only 2 years older

what's your point? I was comparing pre-Olympian Ronnie to himself after he reached his prime.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, suuure. You will say whatever it takes to discredit anything that goes against your opinion. You're a sad, pathetic little man whose life is built upon being 'right' on an internet message board.

you call that proof? All I see are pancakes.

ha ha ha, suuure. You will say whatever it takes to discredit anything that goes against your opinion. You're a sad, pathetic little man whose life is built upon being 'right' on an internet message board.

lmfao discredit anything that goes against my opinion? your comparisons where you undersize Dorian to the point of having the same size calves & waist & hips as Ronnie is discrediting ? and your frustration levels are in the red again boy-Neo lol you're letting the internet message board get to you again , just curious when is the racial slurs going to fly? lol and epic arm-chair physcology attempt and with this statement you're projecting your frustrations of constantly being corrected by me 

pankecakes huh? whats next tree stumps? oh snap already done that one haven't you? lol

Neo = poor baby 

I own you dummy. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

what's your point? I was comparing pre-Olympian Ronnie to himself after he reached his prime.

Technically Dorian wasn't at his prime either so boo-hoo 

[m8]

That was in 1996... He never displayed such detail in the (lower) back again.

[NarcissisticDeity]

That was in 1996... He never displayed such detail in the (lower) back again.

and its NOT even on Dorian's level lol

[NeoSeminole]

lmfao discredit anything that goes against my opinion? your comparisons where you undersize Dorian to the point of having the same size calves & waist & hips as Ronnie is discrediting ?

ha ha ha, I already proved their calves and waists are not the same size in my comparisons. All you can do is talk shit. Like a coward, you slander other people's work but never contribute any of your own. Go home, kiddo.

[NeoSeminole]

Technically Dorian wasn't at his prime either so boo-hoo

difference between 95 and 96 Dorian < difference between 96 and 01 ASC/ 03 Ronnie

[NeoSeminole]

and its NOT even on Dorian's level lol

again, where is this lower back thickness you speak of? His erector spinae looks thin as a sheet of paper.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, I already proved their calves and waists are not the same size in my comparisons. All you can do is talk shit. Like a coward, you slander other people's work but never contribute any of your own. Go home, kiddo.

Yawn ( listens to the crickets ) your ' comparisons are an abortion and will be ridiculed everytime they're posted you and iceman are neck-and-neck for worse garbage posted. congrats

[NarcissisticDeity]

difference between 95 and 96 Dorian < difference between 96 and 01 ASC/ 03 Ronnie

I hate to break it to you dummy , FYI 2003 wasn't Ronnie's prime lol I just thought I'd let you know seeing you don't  and again the point still stands 1996 wasn't Dorian's prime regardless if the previous year was

[NarcissisticDeity]

again, where is this lower back thickness you speak of? His erector spinae looks thin as a sheet of paper.

wow that was funny   

yawn http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=532962

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[Matt C]

Structurally, Dorian was not in the top six through the nineties in my opinion.  But how can you debate his dominance:

[Royalty]

Mohammed Beneziza's has to be considered a top back

[NarcissisticDeity]

Mohammed Beneziza's has to be considered a top back

on a pound-for-pound basis absolutely , he's the reason Yates went crazy on back training !!

[suckmymuscle]

you make it sound like Ronnie's back lost a lot of size from 99 to the 01 ASC. In reality, his back was probably the same width and thickness. Most of the loss in weight came from his legs. When you consider Ronnie weighed only 10 lbs less with improved condition, his back didn't really suffer any loss in size at all. You admitted that he was harder and more detailed in 01. So his back was, for all intents and purposes, the same width and thickness with improved hardness and definition. Thus his back was better at the 01 ASC.

  His entire body was visibly smaller at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia. And don't bring up the argument of how Ronnie had as much or more more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia, because that has been put to rest by yours truly. Or to quote someone who doesen't like me much, I gave you the "most clear cut ownage" in Getbig.com message board's history regarding this issue.

  You seem to be unable to comprehend that what improved in Ronnie from the 1999 Olympia to the 2001 ASC was the fact that his waist and gut got smaller, as well as the fact that he gained a hard look he lacked in 1999. In other words, it was his overral package and not his back that improved. You can improve your overral package while simultaneously having a bodypart remain unchanged or get worse.

maybe you are easily fooled by illusions? I'm looking at the same pics as you, and Ronnie's back looks just as wide. As for his lower back being less developed than Dorian's, you are out of your f*cking mind. I admit this comparison I made isn't scaled 100% accurately, but it serves to show the difference in thickness of their erector spinae. Dorian's looks flat as a pancake while Ronnie's has depth.

  The key word is "look". Yes, it looks just as wide because his waist was smaller. It's very simple, really: his lats got smaller, but his waist also got smaller, so his taper and the illusion of width remained unchanged.

we're talking about best back here - NOT which physique would win in a contest. I don't have to prove that the judges take bacne and skin folds into consideration.

  You need to prove that the judges would take into consideration acne to decide which back was better. And this is irrelevant anyway, because Dorian in his 1995 version did not have acne in his back.

SUCKMYMUSCLE