The most complete back of all time...

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[NeoSeminole]

No they don't and the irony of you now clinging to the writers YOU dismissed now you're forced to kiss their asses because some agree with you LOL this is great to see you back tracking you're the idiot who dismissed Peter McGough's opinion and asked " What was his major in college English lit " lol my how the tables have turned

yes they do, and you claiming the opposite of me doesn't make your statement true.

And two Mr Olympias with great backs midn you have said the same and again Dorian had the best back ever according to the writers you're now forced to agree with but this doesn't matter either some how lol because we all know Ronnie's back got better in post 99 his back got wider and consistently softer with increased size , Dorian on the other hand maintained the hardness in his back at much higher bodyweights

Mike Tyson is considered one of the greatest boxers of all-time. Following your logic, he's just as knowledgable as a boxing historian.

I always knew you were prone to pathetic arguments and faulty logic and now we've added petty name calling? your frustration level is showing again anyway I may not know it all , I may not know more than most however on the topic of competitive bodybuilding is concerned I have constantly proven I know a FUCK of a lot more than you thats a fact !! remember I thought you that balance & proportion were two separate entities , I thought you how competitive bodybuilding was judged , I proved to you Yates had better density & dryness than Ronnie , oppppppsssss I forgot you dismissed Peter McGough's statement on that but now need it for others , who once said " if you agree with one quote you have to agree with all of them ' ? LMFAO you're so simple kid

name calling? I was just returning the favor.

First of all Ronnie was 244 pounds in 2001 and Dorian was 269 pounds and I posted a side-by-side comparison of Dorian at 257 pounds compared to Ronnie at 250 pounds and his back was noticeably wider with just 7 pounds now imagine another 25 pounds compared to Ronnie's 244 ! Ronnie's small waist & hips help with the illusion of great width but Dorian doesn't need an illusion his back is wide as fuck even with a wider waist & hips and again I laugh at you thinking Ronnie had a wider back at 244 pounds than Dorian at 269 pounds you're a complete moron for trying that one

"first of all" nothing you dipshit. Ronnie weighed 247 lbs at the 01 ASC. Stop making up 'facts' b/c it makes your argument look even more pathetic that you have to lie.



Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia

"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."

again those quote mean dick and why? if a 318 pound Ferrigno couldn't dwarf a 257 pound Dorian NO WAY IN HELL a 244 pound Ronnie make a 269 pound Dorian look small ! that only happens in your imaginary picture comparisons lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes they do, and you claiming the opposite of me doesn't make your statement true.

Mike Tyson is considered one of the greatest boxers of all-time. Following your logic, he's just as knowledgable as a boxing historian.

name calling? I was just returning the favor.

"first of all" nothing you dipshit. Ronnie weighed 247 lbs at the 01 ASC. Stop making up 'facts' b/c it makes your argument look even more pathetic that you have to lie.



Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia

"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."

yes they do, and you claiming the opposite of me doesn't make your statement true.

Again the irony of YOU posting this shit !

Mike Tyson is considered one of the greatest boxers of all-time. Following your logic, he's just as knowledgable as a boxing historian.

WOW talk about a really bad analogy , Tyson is in fact a boxing historian he was a huge fan of boxing and watched for hours on end old fights of all the past greats , he was truly a student of the game , see fail ( again ) 

Ronnie is the greatest of all-time according to many and his opinion on the topic at hand trumps a LOT of fucking people with that being said I've always maintained that doesn't make it correct but your ist of the 40 experts includes Greg Valentino lol and some other internet guys I've never heard of you think they trump Ronnie? again go away with this nonsense , Ronnie's opinion means a LOT especially considering he has a great back himself.

name calling? I was just returning the favor.

no you weren't you've been reduced to such childish behavior , I'll call you stupid when it applies or I could have come up with some ' witty ' remark about your screenname again I'm above that nonsense obviously you're not

"first of all" nothing you dipshit. Ronnie weighed 247 lbs at the 01 ASC. Stop making up 'facts' b/c it makes your argument look even more pathetic that you have to lie.

No he didn't I can post and have numerous claims to his weight at 244 pounds , I don't have the desire to repost them because I could careless because 3 pounds means FUCK-ALL in reality because he still isn't as thick , wide and dense as Dorian , feel free to believe that if you want , I'll continue to ridicule your stupidity

lastly the pic of Yates with Lou & Paul mean NOTHING were you at the contest? NO did you see the whole prejudging and night show ? NO the IFBB judge did and his word is LAW  those two pics a momentary glimpses into a long event and when an IFBB judge says neither dwarfed Yates thats as good as it gets and certainly a LOT more valid than you and those fanciful ' comparisons ' you made LMFAO

Dorian at 269 pounds kills Ronnie in terms of back thickness , width , density & detail , he has lower lats , wider lats , bigger & thicker traps you can't counter this and any attempt will be laughed at

run along Neo you bore me 

[NarcissisticDeity]

There is NO contest NONE and this is just seven pounds difference lol ad another 12 to Dorian and subtract as much as 6 pounds from Ronnie and it gets much worse

[Danimal77]

Best back ever. END OF THREAD

[Danimal77]

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[pumpster]

 

[pumpster]

too bad dorian looks like shit from the front

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Details details lol

[pumpster]

is the backside of a man what you love the most

Accurate apparently.

[ANAL DISCHARGE]

ND you really ought to have learned by now.  Why do you persist in trying to educate Hulkster?  It is long since recognised that the man does not have the intelligence or perhaps more specifically, the knowledge of anatomy to understand what you are trying to say.  Put it this way, would you continue to try and make a 5 yr old understand things he has no possible chance of comprehending?  It's much the same thing.  I notice that once again Pumpster posts pics where Dorian is light years ahead of Ronnie but the irony (look it up Pumpster) is lost on him.  Best backs?  Dorian, Bannout, Beckles, Arnold, Haney, Lance Dreher then perhaps Coleman - but then again, perhaps I am being generous to Ronnie?

[NeoSeminole]

Again the irony of YOU posting this shit !

ha ha ha, you're f*cking stupid. Please explain the irony of my post. Since you don't know wtf you are talking about, I'm expecting some lame response to cover you ass like "I don't need to explain myself."

WOW talk about a really bad analogy , Tyson is in fact a boxing historian he was a huge fan of boxing and watched for hours on end old fights of all the past greats , he was truly a student of the game , see fail ( again )

like I give 2 shits about whether Tyson is a historian or not. The guy is dumb as shit. That was the point of my post. Being a professional athlete does not automatically make you an expert. If those guys you quoted are trusted authorities on the bodybuilding, then why aren't they paid to write contest reviews and articles?

No he didn't I can post and have numerous claims to his weight at 244 pounds , I don't have the desire to repost them because I could careless because 3 pounds means FUCK-ALL in reality because he still isn't as thick , wide and dense as Dorian , feel free to believe that if you want , I'll continue to ridicule your stupidity

suuuure you can. I posted 3 different sources citing 01 ASC Ronnie's weight as 247 lbs.

lastly the pic of Yates with Lou & Paul mean NOTHING were you at the contest? NO did you see the whole prejudging and night show ? NO the IFBB judge did and his word is LAW those two pics a momentary glimpses into a long event and when an IFBB judge says neither dwarfed Yates thats as good as it gets and certainly a LOT more valid than you and those fanciful ' comparisons ' you made LMFAO

yeah, uh huh. If I post a pic of a triangle but you have a quote saying it's a square, which is right?

Dorian at 269 pounds kills Ronnie in terms of back thickness , width , density & detail , he has lower lats , wider lats , bigger & thicker traps you can't counter this and any attempt will be laughed at

ha ha ha, I guess you know more than all the guys at Team Flex.

[Moosejay]

Samir....83 O

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, you're f*cking stupid. Please explain the irony of my post. Since you don't know wtf you are talking about, I'm expecting some lame response to cover you ass like "I don't need to explain myself."

like I give 2 shits about whether Tyson is a historian or not. The guy is dumb as shit. That was the point of my post. Being a professional athlete does not automatically make you an expert. If those guys you quoted are trusted authorities on the bodybuilding, then why aren't they paid to write contest reviews and articles?

suuuure you can. I posted 3 different sources citing 01 ASC Ronnie's weight as 247 lbs.

yeah, uh huh. If I post a pic of a triangle but you have a quote saying it's a square, which is right?

ha ha ha, I guess you know more than all the guys at Team Flex.

ha ha ha, you're f*cking stupid. Please explain the irony of my post. Since you don't know wtf you are talking about, I'm expecting some lame response to cover you ass like "I don't need to explain myself."

The irony is you're preaching about typing the opposite doesn't make it true thats the irony you think the quotes I post aren't true yet in the same sentence claim the ones you post are thats ironic and weak logic

like I give 2 shits about whether Tyson is a historian or not. The guy is dumb as shit. That was the point of my post. Being a professional athlete does not automatically make you an expert. If those guys you quoted are trusted authorities on the bodybuilding, then why aren't they paid to write contest reviews and articles?

Of course you couldn't care less about Tyson your analogy backfired in your face and any guy who contradicts your opinion is labeled stupid lol when it comes down to Mike Tyson or Ronnie Coleman their opinions kick the sjit out of yours and again its funny you're claiming being a professional athlete doesn't make you an expert yet have the balls to type quotes from who? professional athletes lol you're fucking stupid , you don't have any debating skills what so ever lol

You posted quotes from Dexter Jackson , Flex Wheeler , Paul Dillet and these are just the professional athletes , then you posted from non-professionals like John Hansen and Greg Valentino LMMFAO you're using these ( among others ) as ' experts ' but now they're not experts and the best is you on several occasions dismissed the professional writers and now you're forced to cling onto them for dear life lol you're so simple I  always get a good laugh when you type because you always dig yourself deeper in the hole of stupidity

YOU dismissed the professional writers when they said Ronnie was never harder or dryer than Dorian Yates , you claimed to know more about physiology because you're a ' certified personal trainer ' LMMFAO and what was his major? English lit? and you're also the same moron who claimed if you believe one single quote from a writer you are now BOUND to believe them all , its all or nothing according to your logic , so which is it now Neo? Team Flex including Peter McGough says Ronnie has the best back , but he also says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Yates lol and 2001 was his best showing , you're bound to all those statements now dummy ( by your own retard logic  )

and to add insult to injury you have on many occasions dismissed not only Yates contemporaries , the writers but people who matter the most IFBB judges , you have disagreed with Yates , Francis , Schwab , Rockell you contradict yourself left & right you flip/flop when it suits your purposes all hallmarks of a moron thanks for showing us what we already knew lol

suuuure you can. I posted 3 different sources citing 01 ASC Ronnie's weight as 247 lbs.

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

And there are other quotes of Ronnie being as low as 244 pounds again I digress thats all a matter of semantics because NO WAY a 247 pound Ronnie is going to have a thicker , wider back than a 269 pound Dorian the only place that is happening is in your heavily skewed ' comparisons '

yeah, uh huh. If I post a pic of a triangle but you have a quote saying it's a square, which is right?

wow another great response lol again who's word shall we believe? and IFBB judge or you? we're not talking about a brief moment in a picture we're talking about an entire bodybuilding show and if an IFBB HEAD JUDGE says Lou Ferrigno & Paul Dillett couldn't dwarf Yates despite both outweighing him by a hefty margin A 244-247 pound Ronnie sure as fuck isn't going to , IFBB Judge > Neo 

ha ha ha, I guess you know more than all the guys at Team Flex.

I guess you know more than Team Flex 1999  what difference was there in 99 to now? Ronnie's back did get wider & thicker at the expense of density & dryness thats improvement? again part of Team Flex stated many times Dorian was harder & drier than Ronnie ever was but I guess you know more than him lol see Neo you're an idiot for many reasons and try as you may you'll never be in my league , you can copy my style  try and type like me and use my catch phrases but kid you still don't know much about competitive bodybuilding

Neo = owned  

Next .....

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND you really ought to have learned by now.  Why do you persist in trying to educate Hulkster?  It is long since recognised that the man does not have the intelligence or perhaps more specifically, the knowledge of anatomy to understand what you are trying to say.  Put it this way, would you continue to try and make a 5 yr old understand things he has no possible chance of comprehending?  It's much the same thing.  I notice that once again Pumpster posts pics where Dorian is light years ahead of Ronnie but the irony (look it up Pumpster) is lost on him.  Best backs?  Dorian, Bannout, Beckles, Arnold, Haney, Lance Dreher then perhaps Coleman - but then again, perhaps I am being generous to Ronnie?

I really have giving up teaching Hulkster and his dummy comrade Neo , I'm at the point where I just expose their stupidity and their desperation , I haven't posting in the Truce Thread in months ( because I won ) and it kills them so they follow me around thread to thread looking for revenge for the ass-kicking they took , hey its all they have left lol what can you say? me I proved my points I left well enough alone now you're just vying for my attention , sometimes I throw them a bone but most of the time I laugh .

[NeoSeminole]

The irony is you're preaching about typing the opposite doesn't make it true thats the irony you think the quotes I post aren't true yet in the same sentence claim the ones you post are thats ironic and weak logic

no, I supported why I feel my quotes trump yours. The sources I quoted are trusted bodybuilding experts. The quotes you posted are merely from bodybuilders. You haven't explained why they are just as credible sources as mine. All you have done is disagree with me. There is no irony involved, you dumbass.

Of course you couldn't care less about Tyson your analogy backfired in your face and any guy who contradicts your opinion is labeled stupid lol when it comes down to Mike Tyson or Ronnie Coleman their opinions kick the sjit out of yours and again its funny you're claiming being a professional athlete doesn't make you an expert yet have the balls to type quotes from who? professional athletes lol you're fucking stupid , you don't have any debating skills what so ever lol

again, get it right you idiot. I posted quotes from bodybuilders after you. In case you forgot, I argued against the use of quotes but that didn't stop you from posting them and making stupid comments like "they know more than you." I simply played your game and beat you.

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

Oh look, a quote from the same guy saying Ronnie was 247 lbs.

Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

so which is it?

wow another great response lol again who's word shall we believe? and IFBB judge or you? we're not talking about a brief moment in a picture we're talking about an entire bodybuilding show and if an IFBB HEAD JUDGE says Lou Ferrigno & Paul Dillett couldn't dwarf Yates despite both outweighing him by a hefty margin A 244-247 pound Ronnie sure as fuck isn't going to , IFBB Judge > Neo

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, I supported why I feel my quotes trump yours. The sources I quoted are trusted bodybuilding experts. The quotes you posted are merely from bodybuilders. You haven't explained why they are just as credible sources as mine. All you have done is disagree with me. There is no irony involved, you dumbass.

again, get it right you idiot. I posted quotes from bodybuilders after you. In case you forgot, I argued against the use of quotes but that didn't stop you from posting them and making stupid comments like "they know more than you." I simply played your game and beat you.

Oh look, a quote from the same guy saying Ronnie was 247 lbs.

Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

so which is it?

no, I supported why I feel my quotes trump yours. The sources I quoted are trusted bodybuilding experts. The quotes you posted are merely from bodybuilders. You haven't explained why they are just as credible sources as mine. All you have done is disagree with me. There is no irony involved, you dumbass.

Who cares what you feel you supported , again the irony is you dismissed the experts and now you're clinging to them because you think they verify your point , you're an idiot because you claim these guys only have degrees in English lit and are wrong in other aspects NOW you need them and now they're credible you should run for office and I posted quotes from the cream of the crop IFBB judges that shut your bullshit down so much for your ' writers ' which you dismissed anyway lol this makes you a hypocrite and not a very bright one at that ( old news )

again, get it right you idiot. I posted quotes from bodybuilders after you. In case you forgot, I argued against the use of quotes but that didn't stop you from posting them and making stupid comments like "they know more than you." I simply played your game and beat you.

NO you tried to play my game and feel flat on your face as usual , you said if you use one quote you're NOW bound to to every other one they make lol and then you contradict yourself by posting a McGough quote as proof and then dismissing the ones that contradict your ignorance lol you're stuck in a vicious circle of stupidity and you're damn right IFBB judges know more than YOU do I know more than you do and the best part is everything I typed was verified after the fact by judges and professionals and you you're left with flip-flopping lol one minute McGough is right and the next he's wrong and by your own retard logic you have to believe EVERY quote or none , this is your logic lol

Oh look, a quote from the same guy saying Ronnie was 247 lbs.

Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

so which is it?

It doesn't matter because its 3 pounds at the most its a moot point because NO WAY in HELL Ronnie at 247 pounds max has a thicker & wider back than Dorian at 269 pounds the sad part is you actually believe this nonsense lol it shows how far gone you really are and how little you know , you've been staring at those fanciful comparisons you and iceman made to long where Ronnie has the same size calves as Dorian lol and Yates' waist & hips is just as narrow as Ronnies lol

you've constantly & consistently proven you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding , some your ' comparisons to your ignorance in judging criteria as well as what great conditioning is and isn't the fact that you think if you keep typing the same shit over & over it some how becomes right shows your stupidity , keep trying to impress me Neo it hasn't happened yet 

[Iceman1981]

and again idiot you cling onto for dear life to appeals to numbers you need to I don't , bodybuilding contests FYI are not judged by the popular opinion they're judged by 13 people not the 8000 in attendance 

iceman = owned

Man, you're dumb as f*ck.

It doesn't matter if it is judged by 13 people. The 13 people judge by giving points in different rounds and they are eye witnesses that give their opinions that is quoted. In the end this is what bodybuilding comes down to and we have the quotes to back it up, while you have 0.

13 or 8000, it doesn't matter.

Your "ad populum" argument is so weak, you are contradicting yourself everytime you use it in this sport, OPINIONS & NUMBERS. Remember that moron.

Come up with something new. Plus, I'm still waiting on the "so called" quotes, LOL. Good luck finding them.

NOTE: ND furiously scanning through his magazines, LOL 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Man, you're dumb as f*ck.

It doesn't matter if it is judged by 13 people. The 13 people judge by giving points in different rounds and they are eye witnesses that give their opinions that is quoted. In the end this is what bodybuilding comes down to and we have the quotes to back it up, while you have 0.

13 or 8000, it doesn't matter.

Your "ad populum" argument is so weak, you are contradicting yourself everytime you use it in this sport, OPINIONS & NUMBERS. Remember that moron.

Come up with something new. Plus, I'm still waiting on the "so called" quotes, LOL. Good luck finding them.

NOTE: ND furiously scanning through his magazines, LOL 

Again moron are CONTESTS judged by the MASSES? NO is this American Idol? NO does America get to vote who the next Mr Olympia? NO your appeal to 40+ opinion as proof is textbook argument ad populum you're to stupid to grasp this concept

what bodybuilding comes down to is the criteria and who satisfies it the best its judged by the MINORITY not the MAJORITY get this through your dense head dummy

You're so stupid you can't even grasp on professional bodybuilding contests are judged.

[NeoSeminole]

Who cares what you feel you supported , again the irony is you dismissed the experts and now you're clinging to them because you think they verify your point , you're an idiot because you claim these guys only have degrees in English lit and are wrong in other aspects NOW you need them and now they're credible you should run for office and I posted quotes from the cream of the crop IFBB judges that shut your bullshit down so much for your ' writers ' which you dismissed anyway lol this makes you a hypocrite and not a very bright one at that ( old news )

yawn, none of which has anything to do with the credibility of the guys you posted. I'm still waiting for you to intelligently defend why your quotes carry as much weight as mine. As for posting quotes, I'm merely playing your game. Refer to my last post.

NO you tried to play my game and feel flat on your face as usual , you said if you use one quote you're NOW bound to to every other one they make lol and then you contradict yourself by posting a McGough quote as proof and then dismissing the ones that contradict your ignorance lol you're stuck in a vicious circle of stupidity and you're damn right IFBB judges know more than YOU do I know more than you do and the best part is everything I typed was verified after the fact by judges and professionals and you you're left with flip-flopping lol one minute McGough is right and the next he's wrong and by your own retard logic you have to believe EVERY quote or none , this is your logic lol

wtf are you talking about? I buried you with quotes from professional bodybuilders, journalists, and industry experts. You posted 2-3 quotes while I posted like 20 of them. As for being bound, I tried to make it fair by eliminating picking which quotes to accept and ignore but you refused to go along with it. I'm not going to stand by and watch your hypocrisy go unchallenged. F*ck that.

It doesn't matter because its 3 pounds at the most its a moot point because NO WAY in HELL Ronnie at 247 pounds max has a thicker & wider back than Dorian at 269 pounds the sad part is you actually believe this nonsense lol it shows how far gone you really are and how little you know , you've been staring at those fanciful comparisons you and iceman made to long where Ronnie has the same size calves as Dorian lol and Yates' waist & hips is just as narrow as Ronnies lol

I never said Ronnie at 247 lbs had a thicker and wider back than Dorian at 269 lbs, you dipshit.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yawn, none of which has anything to do with the credibility of the guys you posted. I'm still waiting for you to intelligently defend why your quotes carry as much weight as mine. As for posting quotes, I'm merely playing your game. Refer to my last post.

wtf are you talking about? I buried you with quotes from professional bodybuilders, journalists, and industry experts. You posted 2-3 quotes while I posted like 20 of them. As for being bound, I tried to make it fair by eliminating picking which quotes to accept and ignore but you refused to go along with it. I'm not going to stand by and watch your hypocrisy go unchallenged. F*ck that.

I never said Ronnie at 247 lbs had a thicker and wider back than Dorian at 269 lbs, you dipshit.

yawn, none of which has anything to do with the credibility of the guys you posted. I'm still waiting for you to intelligently defend why your quotes carry as much weight as mine. As for posting quotes, I'm merely playing your game. Refer to my last post.

Are you fucking shitting me? my quotes from IFBB judges CRUSH any quote you can muster from Greg Valentino lol and you have the balls to as me to ' intelligently defend ' my quotes lol I knew you were an idiot but this just keep getting better lol and again Flex Wheeler who like to post frequently as ' proof ' ( while dismissing Ronnie I might add ) had Ronnie in first place after the prejudging in 07 and you think his opinion carries more weight than an IFBB judge? I don't think so dummy

and you tried to play my game and contradicted yourself and feel flat on your face in the process , you're the moron who insisted if you believe one quote you're now bound by ALL of their quotes and then you proceed to post a McGough pro-Ronnie quote and then dismiss every single one that was pro-Yates . don't try and distance yourself from the quote game now because it blew up in your face 

wtf are you talking about? I buried you with quotes from professional bodybuilders, journalists, and industry experts. You posted 2-3 quotes while I posted like 20 of them. As for being bound, I tried to make it fair by eliminating picking which quotes to accept and ignore but you refused to go along with it. I'm not going to stand by and watch your hypocrisy go unchallenged. F*ck that.

ah the old appeal to numbers is back for another failed attempt lol you're so predictable . you posted quotes from professional bodybuilders who claimed just nonsense you're putting stock in quotes from Flex about how Ronnie was the most dominate Mr Olympia ever which is flat-out wrong , and his take leaves a lot to be desired especially considering he actually had Ronnie in first place after the 07 pre-judging lol and the industry exerts include Greg Valentino? who made him an ' industry expert ' ? lol most of the uotes had absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates , they were in reference to his competition at a particular contest again with your limited abilities you read into what you want

and there are a few who feel Ronnie is the best ever which is fine because its a subjective topic and their opinions are neither right or wrong , they are NO more right than Coleman who feels Yates would beat him but you think because they are numerous they are somehow right which again is textbook appeal to numbers typical of idiots like you

I never said Ronnie at 247 lbs had a thicker and wider back than Dorian at 269 lbs, you dipshit.

Sure you did maybe back in 97, Dorian had the best back ever but he's since been surpassed by Ronnie. them you proceeded to post pictures of Ronnie 1998/2001 so you absolutely said Ronnie's back was better than Dorians you in fact claimed it was surpassed which is nonsense

again you're wrong as usual and you're an idiot

Neo = boring 

[Hulkster]

I see ND and Dorian are taking a pounding yet again

gee..how rare

[NeoSeminole]

Are you fucking shitting me? my quotes from IFBB judges CRUSH any quote you can muster from Greg Valentino lol and you have the balls to as me to ' intelligently defend ' my quotes lol I knew you were an idiot but this just keep getting better lol and again Flex Wheeler who like to post frequently as ' proof ' ( while dismissing Ronnie I might add ) had Ronnie in first place after the prejudging in 07 and you think his opinion carries more weight than an IFBB judge? I don't think so dummy

wow, are you f*cking kidding me? You have a quote from an IFBB judge saying Dorian was big. ZOMG, that trumps all my quotes!!! Also, Iceman posted the quote from Greg Valentino - NOT me. Get your facts right, idiot. And I'm still waiting to hear from you why Ronnie Coleman is just as credible as famed bodybuilding historian Peter McGough.

and you tried to play my game and contradicted yourself and feel flat on your face in the process , you're the moron who insisted if you believe one quote you're now bound by ALL of their quotes and then you proceed to post a McGough pro-Ronnie quote and then dismiss every single one that was pro-Yates . don't try and distance yourself from the quote game now because it blew up in your face

ha ha ha, where did I contradict myself and fall flat on my face? I've noticed you like to make up shit when you're losing an argument.

ah the old appeal to numbers is back for another failed attempt lol you're so predictable . you posted quotes from professional bodybuilders who claimed just nonsense you're putting stock in quotes from Flex about how Ronnie was the most dominate Mr Olympia ever which is flat-out wrong , and his take leaves a lot to be desired especially considering he actually had Ronnie in first place after the 07 pre-judging lol and the industry exerts include Greg Valentino? who made him an ' industry expert ' ? lol most of the uotes had absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates , they were in reference to his competition at a particular contest again with your limited abilities you read into what you want

I wasn't talking about appeal to numbers. You claimed I played your game and fell on my face when, in reality, I destroyed you with sheer volume of quotes. You've got nothing on me, kiddo.

Sure you did maybe back in 97, Dorian had the best back ever but he's since been surpassed by Ronnie. them you proceeded to post pictures of Ronnie 1998/2001 so you absolutely said Ronnie's back was better than Dorians you in fact claimed it was surpassed which is nonsense

again, show me where I explicitly said Ronnie at 247 lbs had a wider and thicker back than Dorian at 269 lbs. I'm waiting...

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry kiddo, but my quotes trump yours. There's a reason the guys I posted get paid to write articles for the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world. As for the Team Flex poll in 99, that's obsolete now that they came out with a newer poll.

Ronnie's back has the same width, thickness, and detail minus the ugly bacne and skin folds.

sorry kiddo, but my quotes trump yours. There's a reason the guys I posted get paid to write articles for the largest bodybuilding magazine in the world. As for the Team Flex poll in 99, that's obsolete now that they came out with a newer poll.

Like I said I'm sure you believe it lol Greg Valentino is one of your experts lol I'll leave that to stand on its own two feet lol no you NEED the 99 Team Flex to be obsolete because it agrees with you but you can't explain why its more valid now , what changed? did Ronnie's back improve? NO it got wider albeit softer but again still Yates' back is better because his lats insert lower , they have more striations , he has better spinal erectors , he has better & bigger traps and more detail that new poll doesn't make the old one obsolete Dorian's back is still the best even years after he retired

Ronnie's back has the same width, thickness, and detail minus the ugly bacne and skin folds.

Same width my ass prove that one and good luck you'll need it  stop making blanket statements , same thickness laughable and detail lol again more nonsense 

[NarcissisticDeity]

wow, are you f*cking kidding me? You have a quote from an IFBB judge saying Dorian was big. ZOMG, that trumps all my quotes!!! Also, Iceman posted the quote from Greg Valentino - NOT me. Get your facts right, idiot. And I'm still waiting to hear from you why Ronnie Coleman is just as credible as famed bodybuilding historian Peter McGough.

ha ha ha, where did I contradict myself and fall flat on my face? I've noticed you like to make up shit when you're losing an argument.

I wasn't talking about appeal to numbers. You claimed I played your game and fell on my face when, in reality, I destroyed you with sheer volume of quotes. You've got nothing on me, kiddo.

again, show me where I explicitly said Ronnie at 247 lbs had a wider and thicker back than Dorian at 269 lbs. I'm waiting...

wow, are you f*cking kidding me? You have a quote from an IFBB judge saying Dorian was big. ZOMG, that trumps all my quotes!!! Also, Iceman posted the quote from Greg Valentino - NOT me. Get your facts right, idiot. And I'm still waiting to hear from you why Ronnie Coleman is just as credible as famed bodybuilding historian Peter McGough.

NO I have a quote from an IFBB judge stating NO ONE made Yates look small not a 318 pound Lou Ferrigno or a 275 pound Paul Dillett  which crushes your fanciful idea that Ronnie at 247 pounds MAX is going to have equal or better width lol and we're talking about a lighter Yates NOT the one at 269 pounds , so nice attempt at trying to misquote the statement lol the judges said he was ' big ' lol you love playing with words more weak arguments

and iceman did post the quote from Valentino and YOU kept hammering the point of the 40+ experts lol you're in the same boat as that idiot so tha fact is straight dummy.  I never claimed Ronnie was more credible than Peter McGough I said his opinion counts a LOT more than yours  and Valentinos and now you desperately need to cling to McGough as an expert when it suits your purposes , but when he says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Yates he was flat out wrong lol what was his major again ? English lit? now Neo the hypocrite is singing his praises lol you're pathetic

ha ha ha, where did I contradict myself and fall flat on my face? I've noticed you like to make up shit when you're losing an argument.

see above lol you said McGough was flat out wrong on a few accounts , Dorian being harder & drier , Ronnie's best NOT being 2003 you dismissed him off as some guy with a English Lit degree and you the certified personal trainer knowing more LMMFAO and now he's an esteemed professional who's opinion is invaluable , now couple that with the fact that YOU stated either you believe ALL or NOTHING that makes you stupid and a hypocrite and a failure ....next 

I wasn't talking about appeal to numbers. You claimed I played your game and fell on my face when, in reality, I destroyed you with sheer volume of quotes. You've got nothing on me, kiddo.

textbook appeal to numbers nothing more , all you did is expose yourself with a sheer volume of fluff which most had absolutely NOTHING to do with the debate it was designed to impress the feeble minded and you failed badly lol the quotes from Greg Valentino sure packed a punch , the quotes from Flex who knows nothing when he claims Ronnie is the most dominate ever more garbage , that shit-list was picked apart multiple times , more failure on all you parts

again, show me where I explicitly said Ronnie at 247 lbs had a wider and thicker back than Dorian at 269 lbs. I'm waiting.

I already did  you claimed Ronnie surpassed Dorian in the back department this includes width , thickness and detail and you posted pictures from 1998/2001 as proof ! how does one surpass Dorian in the back department yet he's not wider , thicker or have better detail? playing with words wont save your stupid ass , never has. 

Dorian's back in 1993 at 269 pounds is better than anything ANYONE has shown until this day , Ronnie may have surpassed Yates in terms of width but his back wasn't as hard , he may have surpassed Yates in terms of volume at the expense of detail and density , all and all Ronnie has never surpassed Dorian's back for completeness , thickness , density & dryness and detail I don't care what " Team Flex " says

[NarcissisticDeity]

I see ND and Dorian are taking a pounding yet again

gee..how rare

I see Hulkster and his cronies are trolling again