Dorian Vs Ronnie - why it has to be Dorian

[SweetMuscles]

 Bodybuilding is pretty much the finished article, what you see up on the stage. However, as fans we know other stuff like the dedication, training, nutrition. When you consider Dorian's genetics and predicament , his turnaround is far more remarkable. He was going nowhere, in youth jail for petty offences while Coleman was a big, dumb cop (frightening that this mental midget was ever law enforcement). Yates bust his ass and built a monster physique. He was a pioneer, built the first true freak physique. Coleman was an average pro at this same stage despite being a similar age.

 Yates is way more remarkable as a man and a bodybuilding story. He went from nothing to usher in a whole new age of freakdom while Coleman was always a good 7 or 8 places behind. Dorian was stuck in a shithole like England for years training in a basic gym while the others were living the dream in the good ole USA. He is pure blood and guts when Ronnie could only make something of himself once he got on a decent drug programme . Ronnie is truly 'all drugs' when there is more to Yates. Yates is sheer will and he built a better physique with more limited genetics.

For this he is truly the greatest of all time and a pioneer in terms of his physique and training. He was an experimenter and originator while Ronnie is a dumb wildebeest totally dependent on others for guidance and his bigger genetic gifts.

Dorian, we salute you. The great white hope. A fucking legend.

[m8]

Spot on as usual.

[Camel Jockey]

I think you mean Yates is all drugs. Ronnie as a natural would dominate Yates on so many levels. Ronnie's genetics is what allowed him to improve in his mid 30's, a time when most pros go down the drain. The guy is and will be the greatest ever in terms of genetics, strength and whatever.

Plus Ronnie shattered the bar that Dorian set. And it wasn't only Ronnie, but others before like Nasser, Dillet, Fux who pushed the limits of size and conditioning.

Ronnie dominated most of his victories, including 2001, regardless of what people say or think. Yates was gifted in 4-6 of his Mr. Olympia victories, but did dominate '92 and '93 in an awesome way.

But to each his own I guess.

[candidizzle]

I think you mean Yates is all drugs. Ronnie as a natural would dominate Yates on so many levels.

[markdavis]

what isthis shit what the fuck is ronnie dorian/ sume sumbitch ask me what i think bout that shit

[The_Hammer]

Bodybuilding is pretty much the finished article, what you see up on the stage. However, as fans we know other stuff like the dedication, training, nutrition. When you consider Dorian's genetics and predicament , his turnaround is far more remarkable. He was going nowhere, in youth jail for petty offences while Coleman was a big, dumb cop (frightening that this mental midget was ever law enforcement). Yates bust his ass and built a monster physique. He was a pioneer, built the first true freak physique. Coleman was an average pro at this same stage despite being a similar age.

 Yates is way more remarkable as a man and a bodybuilding story. He went from nothing to usher in a whole new age of freakdom while Coleman was always a good 7 or 8 places behind. Dorian was stuck in a shithole like England for years training in a basic gym while the others were living the dream in the good ole USA. He is pure blood and guts when Ronnie could only make something of himself once he got on a decent drug programme . Ronnie is truly 'all drugs' when there is more to Yates. Yates is sheer will and he built a better physique with more limited genetics.

For this he is truly the greatest of all time and a pioneer in terms of his physique and training. He was an experimenter and originator while Ronnie is a dumb wildebeest totally dependent on others for guidance and his bigger genetic gifts.

Dorian, we salute you. The great white hope. A fucking legend.

That's funny because Squadfather always said Ronnie was better than Dorian.  So I guess you aren't the same person.

[SweetMuscles]

Ronnie was nothing until the Chad got hold of him and taught him about the drugs.
Of course Dorian used tons of gear but he experimented, he had a far superior intellect and learnt so much for and by himself. Remember, he alone took the lone step to the freak era way before the rest. Coleman was just a big dumb animal. He needed to be spoonfed everything. 'eat this' 'sleep now' 'inject this'. Dorian trained his mind too. Totally unprompted he took massive u-turns against the perceived wisdom of the time. He is truly an originator and pioneer. Coleman is a Mcdonalds eating retard.

Everything about Dorian's story is about taking on one's limits and challenging authority. He is Rocky and Coleman is Apollo Creed. Dorian is a true hero.

[Camel Jockey]

Yates had poor arms, small quads, a huge torso, wheas Ronnie at his best was huge all over and dominated very single pose and had bodyparts(except calves) that were better than any other competitor

[Camel Jockey]

Ronnie was nothing until the Chad got hold of him and taught him about the drugs.
Of course Dorian used tons of gear but he experimented, he had a far superior intellect and learnt so much for and by himself. Remember, he alone took the lone step to the freak era way before the rest. Coleman was just a big dumb animal. He needed to be spoonfed everything. 'eat this' 'sleep now' 'inject this'. Dorian trained his mind too. Totally unprompted he took massive u-turns against the perceived wisdom of the time. He is truly an originator and pioneer. Coleman is a Mcdonalds eating retard.

Everything about Dorian's story is about taking on one's limits and challenging authority. He is Rocky and Coleman is Apollo Creed. Dorian is a true hero.

But that's why Ronnie is so great. He took his 85 "Thank you, Jebus" IQ and translated it into sucess. Yates shouldn't have been a waste to start off because he was and still is one of bodybuilding smartest bodybuilders. The guy was the founding father of today's mass monster.

[SweetMuscles]

That's funny because Squadfather always said Ronnie was better than Dorian.  So I guess you aren't the same person.

No shit

[SweetMuscles]

But that's why Ronnie is so great. He took his 85 "Thank you, Jebus" IQ and translated it into sucess. Yates shouldn't have been a waste to start off because he was and still is one of bodybuilding smartest bodybuilders. The guy was the founding father of today's mass monster.

But he couldn't do it without being told exactly what to do. His physique only changed once the Chad got him on a decent drug programme. This retard was the recipient of other people's knowledge and relied on his genetic gifts which were far greater than Dorian's.  I don't see anything admirable in this slobbering simpleton being spoonfed victory.

 I admire Yates because bodybuilding for him was a true journey and training of mind and body. This was a man functioning excellently in all his faculties. The Rocky/Apollo analogy is only in terms of the genetic gift Coleman had over him. Casting Dorian as a clear underdog. It's certainly not a reflection of their respective intellects as Dorian's is part of what makes him such an amazing triumph in the face of his socio-economic and genetic limitations.

I respect your point though my friend.

[JohnnyVegas]

That's funny because Squadfather always said Ronnie was better than Dorian.  So I guess you aren't the same person.

He did the same thing with Derek, posting how Derek was cool and SF was a jerk.........pulling the old switcheroo to try to fool the masses, sorry, wont work here!

[suckmymuscle]

Ronnie was nothing until the Chad got hold of him and taught him about the drugs.
Of course Dorian used tons of gear but he experimented, he had a far superior intellect and learnt so much for and by himself. Remember, he alone took the lone step to the freak era way before the rest. Coleman was just a big dumb animal. He needed to be spoonfed everything. 'eat this' 'sleep now' 'inject this'. Dorian trained his mind too. Totally unprompted he took massive u-turns against the perceived wisdom of the time. He is truly an originator and pioneer. Coleman is a Mcdonalds eating retard.

Everything about Dorian's story is about taking on one's limits and challenging authority. He is Rocky and Coleman is Apollo Creed. Dorian is a true hero.

  Green!!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Danimal77]

Vegas is right. THE OP is SO Squadfather. He's trying to create a decoy, by switching his stance. I mean look at his signature for crying out loud. That speaks VOLUMES.

Squad has almost 800 posts and he only been on here for a month and a half? I've been on here for 2 years and he already has more posts than me. 

[Zaphod]

what isthis shit what the fuck is ronnie dorian/ sume sumbitch ask me what i think bout that shit

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!11!!!1

[Big Worm]

Ronnie was nothing until the Chad got hold of him and taught him about the drugs.
Of course Dorian used tons of gear but he experimented, he had a far superior intellect and learnt so much for and by himself. Remember, he alone took the lone step to the freak era way before the rest. Coleman was just a big dumb animal. He needed to be spoonfed everything. 'eat this' 'sleep now' 'inject this'. Dorian trained his mind too. Totally unprompted he took massive u-turns against the perceived wisdom of the time. He is truly an originator and pioneer. Coleman is a Mcdonalds eating retard.

Everything about Dorian's story is about taking on one's limits and challenging authority. He is Rocky and Coleman is Apollo Creed. Dorian is a true hero.

Mhm? Ronnie has a degree in accounting,also was an officer ...Yates was a skinheadd ..A member of a group of idiots that were told what to do .. And when they made their own decisions ....made bad ones ! Yates was never told what to do ? So at about 18yrs. of age he started his drug inducing career ...You seen his son ?? That kid is just like his father ...If Yates was a better man ....? He should have taught his son better !

[WillGrant]

Mhm? Ronnie has a degree in accounting,also was an officer ...Yates was a skinheadd ..A member of a group of idiots that were told what to do .. And when they made their own decisions ....made bad ones ! Yates was never told what to do ? So at about 18yrs. of age he started his drug inducing career ...You seen his son ?? That kid is just like his father ...If Yates was a better man ....? He should have taught his son better !

Skinhead is someone that is anti establishment , like punk rockers..skins like ska music and are not racist,in fact alot of the youth of that time punks,skins and the like protested with Rastas.Dorians fave music is reggae and he idolises Robert Nesta Marley , he refers to bob as "the guvnr"

Unfortunatly The general public with no clue associate Skins with neo nazi racists..not the case at all.

[leaky_frog]

I'm sure glad someone began a thread on this topic, since I don't think we've ever addressed it on getbig.

[Big Worm]

Skinhead is someone that is anti establishment , like punk rockers..skins like ska music and are not racist,in fact alot of the youth of that time punks,skins and the like protested with Rastas.Dorians fave music is reggae and he idolises Robert Nesta Marley , he refers to bob as "the guvnr"

Unfortunatly The general public with no clue associate Skins with neo nazi racists..not the case at all.

Either way..It's stupidity at it's finest .. Skins,Nazis,It's all bullshit.

[England_1]

I think you mean Yates is all drugs. Ronnie as a natural would dominate Yates on so many levels.

You are utterly clueless. What makes Yates the best champion of all-time is that if you took away ALL drugs from bodybuilding he would still be Mr. Olympia. His training style, intelligence, and dedication were 2nd to none and are actually very well suited to natural bodybuilding; the result would be exactly the same as it was for him in yielding the Sandow trophy. Yates actually said he would prefer bodybuilding without drugs because it would bring more credibility to the sport.

Most other BBs, including wheeler, dillet, levrone, coleman et al. wouldn't be on Yates level without drugs. It's well known that Coleman couldn't even come close to his Olympia form with the help of a drug guru. It's also well known that Coleman would pig out for 3 months in the offseason, not lift a weight, and rely solely on drugs to keep him in shape. Yates would have none of that rubbish.

[WillGrant]

Either way..It's stupidity at it's finest .. Skins,Nazis,It's all bullshit.

Nazis yes , but real skins? each to there own mate..he was part of a rebelious youth at the time in Britain..Teens get attracted to these types of groups,they still do.

Dorian wasnt your normal everyday teen , he was a rebel and "different" I think he should be applauded,he came from nothing and applyed himself to become the best bodybuilder in the world.

Give the man credit.  

[bigkubby]

they both inject drugs therefore tey bock suck cock new subject?

[TrapsMcLats]

You are utterly clueless. What makes Yates the best champion of all-time is that if you took away ALL drugs from bodybuilding he would still be Mr. Olympia. His training style, intelligence, and dedication were 2nd to none and are actually very well suited to natural bodybuilding; the result would be exactly the same as it was for him in yielding the Sandow trophy. Yates actually said he would prefer bodybuilding without drugs because it would bring more credibility to the sport.

Most other BBs, including wheeler, dillet, levrone, coleman et al. wouldn't be on Yates level without drugs. It's well known that Coleman couldn't even come close to his Olympia form with the help of a drug guru. It's also well known that Coleman would pig out for 3 months in the offseason, not lift a weight, and rely solely on drugs to keep him in shape. Yates would have none of that rubbish.

are you fuckng kidding?? Ronnie was a pro before he was taking damn near anything!  ronnie trained a helluva lot harder, heavier and crazier than dorian.  Dorian would've  been a decent natural.  Ronnie turned pro while natural.  huge difference.

[suckmymuscle]

are you fuckng kidding?? Ronnie was a pro before he was taking damn near anything!

  If you really believe this, then there's a bridge I would like to sell you...

ronnie trained a helluva lot harder, heavier and crazier than dorian.

  If you think that doing quarter reps with the help of spotters, while jerking the weight with momentum, is training harder than doing reps with a full range of motion, with no help and without jerking the body to get the weight moving, then yes, Ronnie trained harder. But oh, I forgot, Ronnie did singles in the squat and deadlift with 800 lbs. That fact that Ronnie didn't train like that 99.9% of the time is irrelevant to you people.

Dorian would've  been a decent natural.  Ronnie turned pro while natural.  huge difference.

  No way did Ronnie turn pro as a natural. He was doing cycles of Deca, test and orals since the late 1980s. He only took much more drugs from 1996 on, but he was already taking them for a decade even then.

  And Dorian is far more of a mesomorph than Ronnie was. Look at both, and you'll see Dorian has thicker bones and a heavier structure. The thicker the bones, the more muscle you can gain naturally. There is no question that Dorian would be more muscular than Ronnie if they were both natural.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[m8]

Dorian was a fucking warrior, busting his ass everyday alone in his dungeon just for the day of the Olympia.
Just for that he deserves respect.