Chris faildo's conditioning

[MuscleMcMannus]

Well, I've heard of some that convert to pure trenbolone. In fact Gaspari made one a few years back called Methyl-dienolone.(Methy-trenbolone precursor) If you took enough, why couldn't you get that look?

And you've never used them yourself so how do know?  We all "hear" a lot of things in the fitness industry.  If prohormones were so effective don't you think just maybe pros would be using them?  Or have they not learned the secret of Chris Faildo and prohormones?  I mean Chris manages to achieve a level of development most pros achieve with steroids. 

[The ChemistV2]

And you've never used them yourself so how do know?  We all "hear" a lot of things in the fitness industry.  If prohormones were so effective don't you think just maybe pros would be using them?  Or have they not learned the secret of Chris Faildo and prohormones?  I mean Chris manages to achieve a level of development most pros achieve with steroids. 

I think you're missing the point. I'm not debating whether pro-hormones work as well as juice, what I'm saying is that one way he can pass a polygraph test and deny he uses steroids would be to use pro-hormones instead.

[MuscleMcMannus]

I think you're missing the point. I'm not debating whether pro-hormones work as well as juice, what I'm saying is that one way he can pass a polygraph test and deny he uses steroids would be to use pro-hormones instead.

True and either way he's a liar.  Lying about pro hormones is the same as denying steroid use.  ProHormones doesnt make you natural.

[MCWAY]

True and either way he's a liar.  Lying about pro hormones is the same as denying steroid use.  ProHormones doesnt make you natural.

And, in some people's eyes, neither does your use of protein powder make you natural. I hope you didn't consume any Weider Sugar-Free BIG or Dynamic Weight Gainer (Signature Line), when you first started training.   

[candidizzle]

"prohormones". LOL.

the only real prohormone you can buy is at your grocery store and its called dietary fat.
 


what you find in supplement shops being called "prohormones" are designer steroids that havent been made illegal yet.

and no, they are not weak steroids either. 

[Van_Bilderass]

I think you're missing the point. I'm not debating whether pro-hormones work as well as juice, what I'm saying is that one way he can pass a polygraph test and deny he uses steroids would be to use pro-hormones instead.

The so called pro-hormones are nothing but non-scheduled anabolic steroids. Pro-hormone is a term invented by the supplement industry (and the term "pro-steroid" was even more ridiculous). There are several hormones sold by supplement companies every bit as powerful as the illegal oral anabolic steroids. The M1T was more powerful than Anadrol according to many. After they were banned these compounds found their way into anabolic steroid dealer lists alongside Winstrol, Anavar, Dbol, etc. Most of them aren't even legal strictly speaking. The supplement companies are taking a risk selling them. Had Patrick Arnold wanted to push the limits of legality he could have sold the Norbolethone and THG as "pro-hormones" since  they weren't on the scheduled list. But since he helped dope tested athletes with them he went to jail.

A couple of years ago you could buy transdermal 4-AD. That product increased testosterone way higher than any transdermal testosterone gel used for HRT. Add to that a methylated oral like M1T or Superdrol and you have a nice cycle.

[MCWAY]

"prohormones". LOL.

the only real prohormone you can buy is at your grocery store and its called dietary fat.
 

That's not true. DHEA is considered a prohormone (in fact, it was DHEA hitting the market that opened the door for androstendione, androstenediol, and its "nor" counterparts).

You can buy that at the grocery store dirt-cheap. Wal-Mart sells it for $7; I've seen other stores offer it for as low as $5 and change.

[candidizzle]

That's not true. DHEA is considered a prohormone (in fact, it was DHEA hitting the market that opened the door for androstendione, androstenediol, and its "nor" counterparts).

You can buy that at the grocery store dirt-cheap. Wal-Mart sells it for $7; I've seen other stores offer it for as low as $5 and change.

true, but this is irrelevant to to the discussion at hand tho

[MCWAY]

true, but this is irrelevant to to the discussion at hand tho

I've actually tried DHEA. I used (Super) Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000, throughout college. My very first supplement, when I first started pumping iron (or should I say, concrete) was Weider's Dynamic Weight Gainer.

I confess!! I'M NOT NATURAL!!! I'M ALL DRUGS!!!

[candidizzle]

I've actually tried DHEA. My very first supplement, when I first started pumping iron (or should I say, concrete) was Weider's Dynamic Weight Gainer.

I confess!! I'M NOT NATURAL!!! I'M ALL DRUGS!!!

yes, you had a minor bump in estrogen levels as a result of your prohormone useage. did all that excess gh(igf-1) get you SHREDDEDDD??? i bet.

LOL. 

[ATHEIST]

You clearly lack the ability to reason, or even understand what you are trying to say. You claim i am making judgements from an uneducated perspective. How can you claim to know about my education? perhaps you are making an uneducated judgement?

You claim my opinion is not as valid as yours because:
a) I am unfamiliar with the subject - again, how do you know what i am and am not familiar with, and what gives you supreme knowledge in this matter?

b) Your statement is based on my admitted 'uneducated' perspective - interesting to note that for someone who claims i have little comprehension skills you yourself lack the ability to detect sarcasm.


I will make this clear for you. I was willing to believe that Chris has not taken steroids, however i did feel he must have taken diuretics or thyroid medication to help obtain such a physique. However the more he talks, the more i think he is lying.

Oh and by the way you're syntax, spelling and grammar need a lot of work, before you should comment on other peoples education level.

####.

 reverting to someones grammatical errors on a message board is shows desperation.
 you can go a head and make judgements through pictures if that suites you, good luck with
 that.
 i am fully accustom to participating in sarcasm and practice it often, i believe the error was in  
 your delivery
 

[Van_Bilderass]

I've actually tried DHEA. I used (Super) Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000, throughout college. My very first supplement, when I first started pumping iron (or should I say, concrete) was Weider's Dynamic Weight Gainer.

I confess!! I'M NOT NATURAL!!! I'M ALL DRUGS!!!

If you competed in a sport adhering to the WADA code then yes, you would have been doping and using steroids. Chris Faildo has competed in IFBB World Champs so this product would have been out of bounds for him too, though sold OTC, since they are supposed to adhere to the WADA code.

[Fatpanda]

reverting to someones grammatical errors on a message board is shows desperation.
 you can go a head and make judgements through pictures if that suites you, good luck with
 that.

Pot kettle black. You claim i am uneducated, and you are making judgments he's natural from pics 

i am fully accustom to participating in sarcasm and practice it often, i believe the error was in  
 your delivery

 
  I'm Sure thats true 

[Brutal_1]

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[MuscleMcMannus]

And, in some people's eyes, neither does your use of protein powder make you natural. I hope you didn't consume any Weider Sugar-Free BIG or Dynamic Weight Gainer (Signature Line), when you first started training.   

Absolutely but if someone asked me if I use protein powders I'd tell them yes I do.  If someone asked me I use prohormones I would tell them I do.  Etc. 

[noworries]

And you've never used them yourself so how do know?  We all "hear" a lot of things in the fitness industry.  If prohormones were so effective don't you think just maybe pros would be using them?  Or have they not learned the secret of Chris Faildo and prohormones?  I mean Chris manages to achieve a level of development most pros achieve with steroids. 

Aren't you the same guy who says some black guy who fights people who don't move is the best fighter.  Forgot his name

[superthick]

chris i have your dvd and have watched it a few times, i still cant see why that proves that your are 100% natural, i dont believe ya...
please let me know cause u look like a juicer to me

[noworries]

chris i have your dvd and have watched it a few times, i still cant see why that proves that your are 100% natural, i dont believe ya...
please let me know cause u look like a juicer to me

Well at least you get your money back he said

[chris faildo]

chris i have your dvd and have watched it a few times, i still cant see why that proves that your are 100% natural, i dont believe ya...
please let me know cause u look like a juicer to me

Superthick, I am man of my words.  I will refund your money if you would let me know your full name.  Email it to me and I will check with paypal for your stats.  I guess you really didn't watch the interview portion of the DVD.  Morals buddy.  Why would I make this shit up? I've been claiming Natural since day one. Anyone else wants a refund? The challenge is still on.

[DK II]

Superthick, I am man of my words.  I will refund your money if you would let me know your full name.  Email it to me and I will check with paypal for your stats.  I guess you really didn't watch the interview portion of the DVD.  Morals buddy.  Why would I make this shit up? I've been claiming Natural since day one. Anyone else wants a refund? The challenge is still on.

There are a 1000 reasons why you would make this shit up, but they all come down to two things:

1) Steroids are ILLEGAL. Only someone really dumb would openly confess to use illegal drugs, especially when it is punished as hard as in the US. You don't seem stupid to me.

2) Money. Your sponsor, the magazines and whatevermake money with you being natural. If you lie, you lose a lot of money.

[timfogarty]

There are a 1000 reasons why you would make this shit up, but they all come down to two things:

1) Steroids are ILLEGAL. Only someone really dumb would openly confess to use illegal drugs, especially when it is punished as hard as in the US. You don't seem stupid to me.

2) Money. Your sponsor, the magazines and whatever make money with you [claiming to be] natural.

It is #2 more than #1.  There are lots of drugs that are legal and/or OTC that help build muscle, lose fat, or get ripped.  Take any of those and you're not a natural bodybuilder. 

Chris, in the last year have you taken diuretics?  DNP?  Ephedrine?  DHEA?  supplements that affect your thyroid?  prohormones?  insulin?

[Azn Muscle]

Chris looks great.  I don't get why all you guys rag on him, he has passed all his drug tests etc., and he seems to be very dedicated to his craft and his height/weight ratio does not seem ridiculously out of this world.  Unless you guys can solidly "prove" he is not natural, you guys shouldn't be attacking him.  Just because you guys can't achieve similar results on your own, doesn't mean that he is not natural.  I don't get why you guys insist on running all of these pros off these boards, I myself would like to hear what they have to say regarding training and nutrition as opposed to all these so called 25% bodyfat experts that post here.

Meltdown.

[DK II]

Chris looks great.  I don't get why all you guys rag on him, he has passed all his drug tests etc., and he seems to be very dedicated to his craft and his height/weight ratio does not seem ridiculously out of this world.  Unless you guys can solidly "prove" he is not natural, you guys shouldn't be attacking him.  Just because you guys can't achieve similar results on your own, doesn't mean that he is not natural.  I don't get why you guys insist on running all of these pros off these boards, I myself would like to hear what they have to say regarding training and nutrition as opposed to all these so called 25% bodyfat experts that post here.

Meltdown.

No, not a meltdown, you are right.

The problem is, the pros ride that line until they see they cannot give answers anymore.

Chris should just say "Fuck you if you don't believe me." and basta.

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't get why you guys insist on running all of these pros off these boards, I myself would like to hear what they have to say regarding training and nutrition as opposed to all these so called 25% bodyfat experts that post here.

I doubt you're going to get any advice from him. And what would you do with advice such as "eat chicken and rice and be 'dedicated'"? You think he does anything you haven't heard 1000 times already? The only reason he registered here is to promote his DVD, not to give advice.

[DK II]

I doubt you're going to get any advice from him. And what would you do with advice such as "eat chicken and rice and be 'dedicated'"? You think he does anything you haven't heard 1000 times already? The only reason he registered here is to promote his DVD, not to give advice.

That, in fact is the boring side of natural BB. There are no secrets.