Chris faildo's conditioning

[Moosejay]

The way I look at it is this...Pro-hormones, even though they are sold legally, are virtually the same thing as anabolic steroids. They are modified testosterone molecules just like any other steroid. They will supress your own hormones and enable you to have supraphysiological levels of anabolic hormones. The Triacana supplement that was legal, is a thyroid hormone precursor, similar to the French version that bodybuilders in the 70's took and it will definitely enhance fat loss. Taking these substances isn't much different than taking regular gear and t-3. However, I believe Chris can honestly claim not to use anything you can't find at a health food store and he has attained amazing condition over and over, so you have to give him credit for having extreme discipline. I'm sure very people could take what he takes and look like that. My feeling is that you can take herbal test boosters,  6-0xo and stuff like that because they won't give you hormone levels beyond the upper end of the normal range. Once you take synthetic hormone that boost  you beyond the normal range, then you are "Enhanced".

Thiomucase?

[MuscleMcMannus]

Andy Haman just got his Pro card a year or so ago at the same age as Chris.  And guess what Andy will say when asked............"lifetime natural" yet it only took him a year and a half to achieve his physique.  Chris sorry but you must have been doing something wrong all those years.  LOL.  Come on guys these bodybuilders have everything to lose to admit to using steroids.  

http://www.thebiguniverse.com/haman/

[Moosejay]

Chris no one is denying you look great but you'd be better off to just admit to using even if you don't discuss how much. It's obvious you put a lot of hard work and dedication into building your physique but why lie about it?

Yes.

It is disingenuous at best.

[Moosejay]

Did he not get nailed taking furosimide (diuretic) some years ago? I seem to recall reading this....

[The ChemistV2]

Thiomucase?

Actually thiomucase wasn't a thyroid drug. It came in a cream mostly and supposedly caused fat loss where you rubbed it. Triacana is a drug that coverts to T-3, a thyroid hormone metabolite. Some supplement companies were able to get around a legal loophole and sell it. Chris has been alleged to have taken it since Thermo-life provided it to him.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Not saying he is lying, but professionally speaking he is way better of saying he is natural. Can be his 'niche'. Not dissing the guy, but at 165lbs obviously he won't be winning any shows or even picking up any big name sponsors. Being natural is in his far better interest.

  Let's lie and portray ourselves as something we're not to make a living........that's morally reprehensible in my opinion.  But hey that's the real world right?  All of us lying, cheating, deceiving, and manipulating our way to the top.  And you wonder why bodybuilding is such a seedy industry.  

[MuscleMcMannus]

Not saying he is lying, but professionally speaking he is way better of saying he is natural. Can be his 'niche'. Not dissing the guy, but at 165lbs obviously he won't be winning any shows or even picking up any big name sponsors. Being natural is in his far better interest.

And your complimentary part of the industry is even worse.  The women are eve bigger liars than men and instead of being the cornerstone of health are the epitome of drug use/abuse and extremem measures to achieve their "look".  Maybe if the industry and people overall were more honest and ethical steroids wouldn't have the reputation they have now. 

[CQ]

 Let's lie and portray ourselves as something we're not to make a living........that's morally reprehensible in my opinion.  But hey that's the real world right?  All of us lying, cheating, deceiving, and manipulating our way to the top.  And you wonder why bodybuilding is such a seedy industry.  

Not condoning it, but it's pretty much a reality of most sponsorships. Those Olympic skaters who suddenly loved Crest once paid, bballers loving Gatorade, Tiger living for Nike, Mary Lou Retton winning the Gold due to Wheaties cereal. Halle Berry and all those top actresses claiming they love Revlon makeup when I doubt they touch that drugstore cheap line. List is endless....people say things to get paid.

I am just saying realistically only a few very top guys can make any cash in bodybuilding, unless they get some type of niche..which as a natty IFBB pro he would have.

[Moosejay]

Not condoning it, but it's pretty much a reality of most sponsorships. Those Olympic skaters who suddenly loved Crest once paid, bballers loving Gatorade, Tiger living for Nike, Mary Lou Retton winning the Gold due to Wheaties cereal. Halle Berry and all those top actresses claiming they love Revlon makeup when I doubt they touch that drugstore cheap line. List is endless....people say things to get paid.

I am just saying realistically only a few very top guys can make any cash in bodybuilding, unless they get some type of niche..which as a natty IFBB pro he would have.

Unless he is a marketing genius(which is exactly what success stems from in business...MARKETING), his natural 'niche' in bodybuilding will likely make him mediocre money at best.

But I see your point.

[CQ]

Unless he is a marketing genius(which is exactly what success stems from in business...MARKETING), his natural 'niche' in bodybuilding will likely make him mediocre money at best.

But I see your point.

I agree on the money point...

[just_a_pilgrim]

WTF are you talking about? Do you think Chris Faildo is any more dedicated, any more vigorous in his training and diet than any of the great bodybuilders before him?  That condition is not mainly due to years and  years of hard work.  That's bullshit.  That condition is due to years and years of hardwork, dieting, muscle maturity yes BUT ALSO DRUGS!  I mean is everybody immersed in bodybuilding and fitness so clueless?  Shit look at the top guys from the 80's.  Look at some of the big names from the 70's and 80's.  Chris Faildo has managed to do what hundreds of dedicated PROFESSIONAL bodybuilders could only do before him with drugs WITHOUT DRUGS?  You my friend and anyone who believes this guy or any other "pro" is "natural" is clueless.

You misinterpreted some parts of my post. I didn't say whether he was clean or not.

The condition IS due to years and years of hardwork as a main point. You don't get that kind of condition at 20 years old or even 30. It comes with time.

Also yes, i've trained clean for almost 5 years since juicing, my condition is much better now, better than guys in their 30's who are on gear constantly and in good condition. I do believe being clean can offer advantages in that area.

BTW i'm not naive i don't believe pro's are clean, my point is he is 165 pounds, he is not a massive guy, he has been training a long time. I don't believe he has taken much gear to get like that if any at all, and yes getting to where he is without gear if you know what you are doing is possible after 22 years. That's my opinion from someone who sticks to the lifestyle every day whether i was on gear or not for over 12 years.

[Brutal_1]

Unless he is a marketing genius(which is exactly what success stems from in business...MARKETING), his natural 'niche' in bodybuilding will likely make him mediocre money at best.

But I see your point.

does mentioning his DVD in every post constitute marketing genius?  

[Chick]

so, we are all in agreement:  there is no such thing as natural bodybuilding. 

"Natural bodybuilding" is an oxymoron...like "Jumbo shrimp".

Bodybuilding in itself, is not a "natural" thing...it's artificially enhancing one's physique.

There are "drug free" bodybuilders, and "steroid free" Bodybuilders, etc...and certainly Chris may be one of them. All the power to him.

[Moosejay]

does mentioning his DVD in every post constitute marketing genius?  

No.

Its worth a hill of beans.

he should try some direct response marketing, build a huge list of pre-qualified, Interested, non-bb/regular person leads, and start a direct mail campaign selling his 'system' in a kit.

he'd make millions, but bb's, in general, are to into themslves.

they don't understand "WIIFM"= 'What's In It For Me'

They tell clients all about themsleves...titles they won, howe they look, etc....

while the client wants none of that....ahhh, you know what I mean

[MuscleMcMannus]

You misinterpreted some parts of my post. I didn't say whether he was clean or not.

The condition IS due to years and years of hardwork as a main point. You don't get that kind of condition at 20 years old or even 30. It comes with time.

Also yes, i've trained clean for almost 5 years since juicing, my condition is much better now, better than guys in their 30's who are on gear constantly and in good condition. I do believe being clean can offer advantages in that area.

BTW i'm not naive i don't believe pro's are clean, my point is he is 165 pounds, he is not a massive guy, he has been training a long time. I don't believe he has taken much gear to get like that if any at all, and yes getting to where he is without gear if you know what you are doing is possible after 22 years. That's my opinion from someone who sticks to the lifestyle every day whether i was on gear or not for over 12 years.

Like I said before...........years of training doesn't mean shit.  It doesn't take decades and decades of dedicated training.  It takes DRUGS.  I gave two examples in this thread.  One very young and one very old. i.e. Phil Heath and Andy Haman respectively.  Phil Heath was a nobody college basketball player before he got huge and started bodybuilding.  He fucking exploded in a matter of a couple of years.  Andy Haman received his pro card at age 40 after he claims only a year and a half of serious training.  I know Andy Haman uses GH for a fact.  I used to live in Colorado Springs and trained at the same gym he was at and know several of his close friends.  

[whateva]

"Natural bodybuilding" is an oxymoron...like "Jumbo shrimp".

Bodybuilding in itself, is not a "natural" thing...it's artificially enhancing one's physique.

There are "drug free" bodybuilders, and "steroid free" Bodybuilders, etc...and certainly Chris may be one of them. All the power to him.

Right , because unless you drink milk ,straight from a cow's tit ,nobody is natural ,  right Chick 

[Chick]

Right , because unless you drink milk ,straight from a cow's tit ,nobody is natural ,  right Chick 

Are you disagreeing with me?  I'd love to hear your take on how bodybuilding is a "natural" thing...

[whateva]

He  won't be the first "Lifetime natural " IFBB PRo

[whateva]

Are you disagreeing with me?  I'd love to hear your take on how bodybuilding is a "natural" thing...

You tell me what sport or activity is natural ,riding a bicycle is not natural ,C'mon Chick ,We are talking about drug use .

[Chick]

You tell me what sport or activity is natural ,riding a bicycle is not natural ,C'mon Chick ,We are talking about drug use .

You're not changing an appearance of the physique by participating in an activity, or playing a sport....

[MuscleMcMannus]

Are you disagreeing with me?  I'd love to hear your take on how bodybuilding is a "natural" thing...

Watching t.v. isn't natural.  Driving a car isn't natural.  What does it mean to be natural as far as human beings go?  What's more natural doggy style or missionary?  I see your point but it's a silly one.  I think we can all agree bodybuilding at one time was MUCH MORE natural than it has been for the last 40 years.  It was much more about health and vitality.  Now it's all about flash, and image, and making money.  Portraying something you're not.  Which is symoblic of much of our society in 21st century America.  

[whateva]

You're not changing an appearance of the physique by participating in an activity, or playing a sport....

C'mon Chick , in many sports you do, You think this guy was born this way

[MuscleMcMannus]

You're not changing an appearance of the physique by participating in an activity, or playing a sport....

Runners look like runnersa nd sprinters look like sprinters yet their activity could be considered very similar.  Your statement makes no sense to me.  Maybe you need to explain better.  But "activity" most definitely changes physiques be it sitting on your ass in front of the couch or walking a hundred miles a day as a Masai warrior in Africa.  The human body adapts to a changing environment.  Why we have hair on our nuts and the ability to walk upright. 

[Brutal_1]

Actually, this time I gotta roll with Chick.  Being active is natural, that includes all the sports you guys are listing.  But purposely adding muscle mass is not only not natural, but in the simplest terms of "hunter/gatherer" it actually works against you.

Muscle is metabolically active, and is "expensive" to keep.  In starvation mode, a person with a lot of muscle would be at a disadvantage. The body will always try to go back to a natural weight, which is why you HAVE TO eat high protein and continue to train to keep that muscle up...if it were "naturally" up to your body, you'd look like a swimmer 

[technokc]

Actually, this time I gotta roll with Chick.  Being active is natural, that includes all the sports you guys are listing.  But purposely adding muscle mass is not only not natural, but in the simplest terms of "hunter/gatherer" it actually works against you.

Muscle is metabolically active, and is "expensive" to keep.  In starvation mode, a person with a lot of muscle would be at a disadvantage. The body will always try to go back to a natural weight, which is why you HAVE TO eat high protein and continue to train to keep that muscle up...if it were "naturally" up to your body, you'd look like a swimmer 

That logic works only up until a point, yes muscle is more expensive to keep, however it does provide benefits in being stronger, which in turn leads to the ability to to get more food.

You think this guy could kill a wooly mammoth?