Chris faildo's conditioning

[Chick]

Not too much to figure out here, boys.... in no other activity or sport does an athlete set out to change their physique, rather, the resulting change is from the sport itself....a sprinter doesn't train to change the shape of his physique....it changes as a result of sprinting.

Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...

[MuscleMcMannus]

Actually, this time I gotta roll with Chick.  Being active is natural, that includes all the sports you guys are listing.  But purposely adding muscle mass is not only not natural, but in the simplest terms of "hunter/gatherer" it actually works against you.

Muscle is metabolically active, and is "expensive" to keep.  In starvation mode, a person with a lot of muscle would be at a disadvantage. The body will always try to go back to a natural weight, which is why you HAVE TO eat high protein and continue to train to keep that muscle up...if it were "naturally" up to your body, you'd look like a swimmer 

This is not true.  Eskimos were very "fat" people because of the climate in which they lived.  Eastern Europeans for the most part are naturally big and blocky people with big bones.  Now contrast that with tirbal Africans who are for the most part long and lanky.  Cultures across history have lived VERY different lives.  Human beings were at one time all cavement but eventually through evolution the human body changed and people became much more adapted to their environment and as cultures became more sedentary this became more prominent.  I'm sure the Egyptians that built the great pyramids were very strong and muscular.  But yes you are right the human body if left alone will always revert back to homeostasis.  And who's to say ancient civilizations didn't eat a lot more protein than we do nowadays?  According to most nutritional anthropologists ancient civilizations had much higher fat and protein intakes than we do nowadays.  

[Brutal_1]

This is not true.  Eskimos were very "fat" people because of the climate in which they lived.  Eastern Europeans for the most part are naturally big and blocky people with big bones.  Now contrast that with tirbal Africans who are for the most part long and lanky.  Cultures across history have lived VERY different lives.  Human beings were at one time all cavement but eventually through evolution the human body changed and people became much more adapted to their environment and as cultures became more sedentary this became more prominent.  I'm sure the Egyptians that built the great pyramids were very strong and muscular.  But yes you are right the human body if left alone will always revert back to homeostasis.  And who's to say ancient civilizations didn't eat a lot more protein than we do nowadays?  According to most nutritional anthropologists ancient civilizations had much higher fat and protein intakes than we do nowadays.  

Fat and muscle aren't even in the same level when comparing their metabolic demand on the body.  Yes, we know fat causes insulation, which explains the Eskimos, but what would the point be of a caveman having a 21 inch arm???

[whateva]

Not too much to figure out here, boys.... in no other activity or sport does an athlete set out to change their physique, rather, the resulting change is from the sport itself....a sprinter doesn't train to change the shape of his physique....it changes as a result of sprinting.

Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...

Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.
 
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...

[dr.chimps]

Fat and muscle aren't even in the same level when comparing their metabolic demand on the body.  Yes, we know fat causes insulation, which explains the Eskimos, but what would the point be of a caveman having a 21 inch arm???

To drag some of those big booty cavewomen back to the cave? 

[Brutal_1]

To drag some of those big booty cavewomen back to the cave? 

Well, either that, or G4P dates further back than we had originally thought

[Chick]

Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.
 
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...

Unless you just happen to have a 20 in arm...training it to be 20 inches is not NATURAL...

Not sure I can dumb it down any more for you...

[whateva]

Unless you just happen to have a 20 in arm...training it to be 20 inches is not NATURAL...

Not sure I can dumb it down any more for you...

Fail ,I don't know who is the dumb one here
Training to : .
run 100m under 10 sec is not natural
run a marathon is not natural
to high jump 7 feet is not natural
get punch in the head(boxing)is not natural
........................ .........etc
training to have 20 inches arm is part of bodybuilding , like training to do a back flip is part of gymnastic ,both are not natural things.
                                                     

[CQ]

Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.

[Moosejay]

Fail ,I don't know who is the dumb one here
Training to : .
run 100m under 10 sec is not natural
run a marathon is not natural
to high jump 7 feet is not natural
get punch in the head(boxing)is not natural
........................ .........etc
training to have 20 inches arm is part of bodybuilding , like training to do a back flip is part of gymnastic ,both are not natural things.
                                                         Dumb ass

whateva, i thought you of all people would speak more respectfully to bob

[whateva]

Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.

Thank you ,CQ  

[whateva]

whateva, i thought you of all people would speak more respectfully to bob

I'm sorry, Moosejay .

[just_a_pilgrim]

Like I said before...........years of training doesn't mean shit.  It doesn't take decades and decades of dedicated training.  It takes DRUGS.  I gave two examples in this thread.  One very young and one very old. i.e. Phil Heath and Andy Haman respectively.  Phil Heath was a nobody college basketball player before he got huge and started bodybuilding.  He fucking exploded in a matter of a couple of years.  Andy Haman received his pro card at age 40 after he claims only a year and a half of serious training.  I know Andy Haman uses GH for a fact.  I used to live in Colorado Springs and trained at the same gym he was at and know several of his close friends.  

Phil Heath is a genetic freak. There are plenty of guys who would take more drugs than him and guess what? You don't know that because they arn't genetic freaks so you never hear about them.

Fact is, the body improves year to year if you are consistent. To a point of course. Natural or not. No-one gets Faildo's conditioning in a year and a half of training no matter how many drugs they are on. I'm not saying he doesn't use, but it takes more than drugs. Jay Cutler doesn't have near that type of conditioning, is it drugs? Is it training? Do you think he's not trying to get that type of conditioning? It takes more than drugs.

If your buddy Andy claims natural status yet you know he uses GH, why do you keep quoting that he's claiming only a year and a half of serious training as if that is a fact.

[Moosejay]

I'm sorry, Moosejay .

Guys with outstanding physiques such as you usually have better countenance and understanding. I knew you just slipped

[Chick]

Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.
[/quoteActually, It's "whateva" thats playing semantics....

He believes anything other than breathing and eating are not "natural"...

[m8]

Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.

[saucetradomous]

Actually, It's "whateva" thats playing semantics....
He believes anything other than breathing and eating are not "natural"...

He's exaggerating on your previous point just to prove how stupid it sounded.  Quit trying to justify your own drug use and accept the term natural.

[Chick]

He's exaggerating on your previous point just to prove how stupid it sounded.  Quit trying to justify your own drug use and accept the term natural.

Try and keep up, mastermind....drugs have nothing to do with the debate...it's whether bodybuilding itself is considered natural.

[The Coach]

Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.
 
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...

I want it explained to me in detail. You think Tony Saragusa really strived to look like a pig and get winded after running 5 yards?

[Dragon]

LOL everyone on this forum knows what 'natural' is, and what 'lifetime natural' is LOL
don't fool yourself LOL you know what natural means dude. who the fuck are you fooling ?

chris, ignore the haters, even one vein in bicep and striated shoulders means your a big time drug user here  you can put on a 24h surveillence cam on you and urine tests every 2 hours and guess what,
if you look good your still a druggy LOL no winning here

[timfogarty]

Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.

ok.  define gear.  I think thyroid drugs qualify.  So do all forms of diuretics.  Even some fat burners.

[marcus]

Find me one other natural that is as full and lean as Chris is.

[Dragon]

Find me one other natural that is as full and lean as Chris is.

chris is 5'5 thats why he looks full, i don't know what you weigh man but try puting all your lean mass
on a 5foot guy,
as for the conditioning, all i see is 5%BF which is all over natural bodybuilding stages

[Dragon]

like i said before, there was a 5'5 guy about 75kg at am gym a long time ago
and he looked like chris all natiral too.

[marcus]

Chris also has the classic facial aging commonly seen with drug use.