To small to get started

[Steve]

I weight around 12st 7lbs, 25 yeras old. And have hit a point in the gym where I cant get any bigger at all what so ever. Have been training for around 6 years. Am I in the (too small bracket) to start looking at steroids. Bearing in mind I am a hard gainer, who does already eat well. Thanks

[godmus67]

did you say 127 lbs and for six years you have been training? well first of all your not eating right and as fas as the gym you need to change it up..because it sounds like you hit a platue about 5 years ago....

[Knowledge]

If the jibberish I read is correct, I would agree that your diet wack and your lifting could be adjusted.  Follow the old mantra, "eat big to get big", as gay as it sounds that might be the position you have to take bro

[candidizzle]

12 stones, 7 pounds... not 127 pounds..

12 stone = 168 lbs

so he is 175

[Fulgorre]

12 stones, 7 pounds... not 127 pounds..

12 stone = 168 lbs

so he is 175

Yeah.  Go the bookstore, get a cup of coffee (with cream bro), read a few of the bodybuilding books over the next few weeks.  Once you start doing squats, some deads, and other compound movements you will gain a few pounds.  Then in about 10 months you will be rdy for 750mg test and some anadrol.

[Steve]

Well cheers for replying guys. Yeah Im 170lbs not 127. But just dont feel like I can genetically go up anymore. So recently Iv been looking at other options. Thats why I registered on this board, and am curently reading through some of the older posts. My diet seems fine, plenty of carbs and protein, but maybe I can eat more then.

[4thAD]

Your 25 and have been training for 6 years! Come on over, the dark side is ready for you. Deciding to use gear is a personal decision. You seem ready to me. You probably have your training down, diet sounds as if you might not be getting enough cals. Post a sample of your diet, because even with gear you will need the cals to grow. I personally don't see any reason why you couldn't start a cycle. I am not in the camp that thinks one needs to hit their maximum natural potential before using. 

[chainsaw]

supplementing with something small like 200mg of test cyp
won't get you huge, but may be enough to put some good
muscle on ya.  May people prefer higher doses, and higher doses
does work more drasticly, but 200mg is something most don't think about,
but does work.

[candidizzle]

yeah, post an average day's eating, and maybe your training split.
even on steroids diet and training are still the most important thing.

[local hero]

6 yrs is plenty... im sure youve got a good solid base by now.. training naturaly is like havn sex with a condom on, its ok for a while, but doesnt compare

why deprive your self of all the fun u could be having, you only live once, go for it man..... u never know, u might be a responder and end up a freak

[Steve]

Cheers for the response guys. It seems like mixed reports. Yeah im defo going to do some more research, and speaking to you guys is a great help. Ill give you an example of what I ate today:-

Breakfast: Poached Eggs 3 on Toast

Lunch: Tunna, Cheese, mayo salad sandwich

Tea: Chicken Breast, Rice, green beans, broccoli

ill probably have a snack of somesort before bed.
But my diet usually consists of stuff like that. Also; beef, turkey, salmon, cod, all vegs (broccoli, cauliflower, sweetcorn, green beans, cabbage etc), eggs, potatoes. Also I have only just found ot that nuts are a great source of protein.

Maybe I could be getting a coule of extra meals in there aswell. Cheers

[candidizzle]

you, definitely need to re vamp that diet bro. MUCH more protin, as well as you need at least 5 meals per day

"breakfast, lunch and dinner"? try, "meals 1, 3, and 5." 

[kevcat]

Yeh why not throw in a few protein shakes between meals??

[candidizzle]

yeah, re think the way you eat

3 eggs ? even if they are whole eggs, your only looking at 18 g protien in your breakfast. !!!

come on dude, most bodybuilders eat anywhere from 40-125 g of protein in every meal and eat that 5-8 times per day. now, 5 meals of 40 grams is a huge difference than 8 meals of 125 grams, of course.    and i wouldnt suggest you eating any more than 50 g per meal, but you still need to try to get at LEAST 40-50 g per meal each meal and eat that at LEAST 5 times per day

[Steve]

Right cheers bud. Im looking at my diet at the minute. If I were to go up to five meals a day, it would definatley be possible. Because even though im not big at 170lbs, I am always hungry and can always squeeze more food in. I just have to think of some snacks in between meals that would be good. And yeah, I do need to get on the protein shakes, Iv been on them before, but not for a sustained period of time. Any reccomendations on which manufacturers are the best. Cheers  

[candidizzle]

Right cheers bud. Im looking at my diet at the minute. If I were to go up to five meals a day, it would definatley be possible. Because even though im not big at 170lbs, I am always hungry and can always squeeze more food in. I just have to think of some snacks in between meals that would be good. And yeah, I do need to get on the protein shakes, Iv been on them before, but not for a sustained period of time. Any reccomendations on which manufacturers are the best. Cheers  

check out my avatar, underneath it i got a discuount code for a website called true protein

its where i always get my protein from

you can create your own custom mix, i like to do 50% casein 50% whey. 

its very affordable and super high quality.

the guy who owns it is dante, the originator of doggcrapp training. (used by david henry and others). hes a swell guy, he posts here soemtimes.

[Steve]

Cheers mate. I will have a look and see what they have got on there.

[local hero]

i take back everything i said.... cant beleive that diet, u want to get to basics with eating and most probably training

forgett snacks between meals, u want to be eating 5 to 7 equal sized meals thru the day... personaly id go for 7 meals, but goin from 3 to 7's a canny jump

heres a good example diet for u

1.. oatshake(protein, oats & bananna blended), handfull of almonds
2.. chkn, sweet pot, green beans, spn of olive oil
3   tuna,baked pot, brokoli, spn of olive oil
4.. chkn, sweet pots, green beans, oil
5.. oatshake,nuts


u wanna be aiming for 3 to 4 sessins in the gym all heavy basic movements, nothing fancy, squats, rows, deadlifts, milt press etc etc

1 yrs time you should be a good 2 stone heavier, then join the dark side.....

[Steve]

Local Hero. Thats a big help mate thanks. When you say 'nothing fancy' regarding the gym. Were you reffering to resistance machines or what exercises. Theres defo some stuff I could do with throwing out of my workout. Also was wondering if you lot are eating big food, how many protein shakes are you chucking in aswel, is it the usual 3 per day. Cheers

[candidizzle]

Local Hero. Thats a big help mate thanks. When you say 'nothing fancy' regarding the gym. Were you reffering to resistance machines or what exercises. Theres defo some stuff I could do with throwing out of my workout. Also was wondering if you lot are eating big food, how many protein shakes are you chucking in aswel, is it the usual 3 per day. Cheers

just lift hard and heavy make sure to workout the whole body. eat alot, mainly protein. try to eat every couple hours.

[Steve]

Cheers mate. Yeah I will need to. Am also looking into what I can blend in with the shakes. Never really thought about that before. Just reading some olders posts on what I can add to them

[OTHstrong]

EAT MORE EAT MORE EAT MORE EAT MORE

[Jeffro]

After how many years of training, or at what age, is the ideal time for someone to start juicing?  This question is for anyone.

[candidizzle]

After how many years of training, or at what age, is the ideal time for someone to start juicing?  This question is for anyone.

i whenever you feel you are ready

[Jeffro]

i whenever you feel you are ready

How many years did you train before you tried them?