Author Topic: List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months (Read 5688 times)

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2008, 05:37:37 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 10, 2008, 05:22:24 AM

I think I am in the middle here. I oppose all religion and especially Islam and I DO think Islamic theology has much to do with giving motivation to Islamic terrorism, however, I also believe that US foreign policy exacerbates the problem manifold; I think these 13th century medievalists should be left to rot in their barren deserts and the West should look after itself without interfering with the affairs of these countries; of course that means that the US needs to stop being the world's policeman/bully and start minding its own business.

In Europe it is a slightly different issue. Secular/Enlightenment values were hard fought for and need to be maintained at all costs; immgration must be radically restricted and those who refuse to integrate and accept Enlightenment values can be sent off to their respective countries; once in those countries, said people (Islamists most like) should be left to rot.

and maybe even seeks to exacerbate the problem! Hello Neocons...

But I do wonder, what country asks immigrants to forgo their customs and beliefs upon entry?

Deicide · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2008, 05:43:23 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 10, 2008, 05:37:37 AM

and maybe even seeks to exacerbate the problem! Hello Neocons...

But I do wonder, what country asks immigrants to forgo their customs and beliefs upon entry?

I don't think there needs to be a technical forgoal of beliefs and customs but when those beliefs, etc. stand in direct opposition to the established, secular, liberal (in the European sense) order and are acted upon, exponents of said beliefs should be shown the door.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2008, 06:09:39 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 10, 2008, 05:43:23 AM

I don't think there needs to be a technical forgoal of beliefs and customs but when those beliefs, etc. stand in direct opposition to the established, secular, liberal (in the European sense) order and are acted upon, exponents of said beliefs should be shown the door.

well there you may have found a problem because I don't believe any country requires or asks that so it's kinda their bust for the stupidity, wouldn't ya say....

Deedee · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2008, 07:43:14 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on July 10, 2008, 06:09:39 AM

well there you may have found a problem because I don't believe any country requires or asks that so it's kinda their bust for the stupidity, wouldn't ya say....

The US did 100 years ago. Have you never heard of Henry Ford's "Melting Pot" school? People were taught how to brush their teeth, use a knife and fork, how to assimilate. (It was kind of racist too, but nothing's perfect.

) Until recently, most immigrants who came to the US ended up being among the most patriotic citizens.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2008, 07:48:12 AM »

Obama told voters in Georgia on Tuesday: "Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English -- they'll learn English -- you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual?"

Rasmussen reports that U.S. voters overwhelmingly disagree with Obama:

Eighty-three percent (83%) place a higher priority on encouraging immigrants to speak English as their primary language. Just 13% take the opposite view and say it is more important for Americans to learn other languages.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2008, 07:50:31 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2008, 07:48:12 AM

Obama told voters in Georgia on Tuesday: "Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English -- they'll learn English -- you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual?"

Rasmussen reports that U.S. voters overwhelmingly disagree with Obama:

Eighty-three percent (83%) place a higher priority on encouraging immigrants to speak English as their primary language. Just 13% take the opposite view and say it is more important for Americans to learn other languages.

WTF are you serious?

Obama will be disaster for the US.

Stark · « **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2008, 07:52:57 AM »

all these numbers look relativly small compared to the US Bodycount

headhuntersix · « **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:01:51 AM »

Which has nothing to do with the topic.....Nordic....was that directed at me. I friggen hate Obama.

Deedee · « **Reply #33 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:12:02 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2008, 07:48:12 AM

Obama told voters in Georgia on Tuesday: "Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English -- they'll learn English -- you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual?"

Rasmussen reports that U.S. voters overwhelmingly disagree with Obama:

Eighty-three percent (83%) place a higher priority on encouraging immigrants to speak English as their primary language. Just 13% take the opposite view and say it is more important for Americans to learn other languages.

It's absolutely WRONG for host countries to cower before immigrants. But you're taking his speech a little out of context. He was saying Americans should learn other languages to compete in today's global business world. In that sense, he's right. Nothing wrong with being educated.

You know, I don't understand when people are going around worrying about, "We need to have English- only." They want to pass a law, "We want English-only."

Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that. But understand this. Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English -- they'll learn English -- you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual? We should have every child speaking more than one language.

You know, it's embarrassing when Europeans come over here, they all speak English, they speak French, they speak German. And then we go over to Europe, and all we can say [is], "Merci beaucoup." Right?

You know, no, I'm serious about this. We should understand that our young people, if you have a foreign language, that is a powerful tool to get ajob. You are so much more employable. You can be part of international business. So we should be emphasizing foreign languages in our schools from an early age, because children will actually learn a foreign language easier when they're 5, or 6, or 7 than when they're 46, like me.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #34 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:16:30 AM »

The language of business is English....I understand ur point but thats not all he was saying. He also must have not studied geography as well as history. How easy would it be for us to learn languages if the next foreign language country was right next door. If u live in Mass, and NH speaks german..u'd learn it. If Conn speaks Chech, U'd learn that. Everybody here speaks English....

youandme · « **Reply #35 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:19:04 AM »

Quote from: Deedee on July 10, 2008, 08:12:02 AM

It's absolutely WRONG for host countries to cower before immigrants. But you're taking his speech a little out of context. He was saying Americans should learn other languages to compete in today's global business world. In that sense, he's right. Nothing wrong with being educated.

By 2050 75% of the world will speak English.
We lose 25 different languages per week.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #36 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:21:24 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2008, 08:01:51 AM

Which has nothing to do with the topic.....Nordic....was that directed at me. I friggen hate Obama.

I was saying... I can't believe that he said that, nothing attacking you.

And yes, I'm starting to highly dislike him. First it was his sickly sweet speeches... now this shit.

P.S. Deedee, still seems like pandering to the Spanish vote to me. It sounds awful to me, even in entire context. English is the langua franca of the business world, so it's a pretty null point.

Deicide · « **Reply #37 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:21:49 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2008, 07:48:12 AM

Obama told voters in Georgia on Tuesday: "Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English -- they'll learn English -- you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual?"

Rasmussen reports that U.S. voters overwhelmingly disagree with Obama:

Eighty-three percent (83%) place a higher priority on encouraging immigrants to speak English as their primary language. Just 13% take the opposite view and say it is more important for Americans to learn other languages.

Yes, most American only barely speak English; we know this.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #38 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:23:14 AM »

Yeah we're a nation of idiots

Deicide · « **Reply #39 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:24:48 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2008, 08:16:30 AM

The language of business is English....I understand ur point but thats not all he was saying. He also must have not studied geography as well as history. How easy would it be for us to learn languages if the next foreign language country was right next door. If u live in Mass, and NH speaks german..u'd learn it. If Conn speaks Chech, U'd learn that. Everybody here speaks English....

It isn't just about geography, it is also about American hubris and ignorance.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #40 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:25:37 AM »

Yeah...we suck....Europe is great.....

Deicide · « **Reply #41 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:25:59 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2008, 08:23:14 AM

Yeah we're a nation of idiots

A good portion of the US is monolingual and can't even locate the place on the map where you are killing sand niggas.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #42 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:26:49 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 10, 2008, 08:25:59 AM

A good portion of the US is monolingual and can't even locate the place on the map where you are killing sand niggas.

lol

Deedee · « **Reply #43 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:27:40 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2008, 08:16:30 AM

The language of business is English....I understand ur point but thats not all he was saying. He also must have not studied geography as well as history. How easy would it be for us to learn languages if the next foreign language country was right next door. If u live in Mass, and NH speaks german..u'd learn it. If Conn speaks Chech, U'd learn that. Everybody here speaks English....

Yep, I agree with you. Even people who complain that Americans know nothing of foreign news have no idea that the US is so big it's difficult just to keep up with what's going on in the domestic front.

The language of business is still English, but that's slowly changing as more and more people speak several languages. It seemed that what you posted sounded like he was asking the US to bow down to immigrants, and that wasn't really what he was saying. He was just blah blahing anyway... not looking to enact forced bilingualism. You really do hate him.

Quote from: Nordic Superman on July 10, 2008, 08:21:24 AM

P.S. Deedee, still seems like pandering to the Spanish vote to me. It sounds awful to me, even in entire context. English is the langua franca of the business world, so it's a pretty null point.

It isn't great... I'm just a stickler for getting quotes right. Also, coming from the UK you probably don't speak any other languages yourself so it seems more threatening. My lousy German and semi decent French have definitely made traveling easier, and got me very decent employment in the US I wouldn't have had otherwise. I'm Canadian.

Deicide · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:30:14 AM »

Quote from: Deedee on July 10, 2008, 08:27:40 AM

Yep, I agree with you. Even people who complain that Americans know nothing of foreign news have no idea that the US is so big it's difficult just to keep up with what's going on in the domestic front.

The language of business is still English, but that's slowly changing as more and more people speak several languages. It seemed that what you posted sounded like he was asking the US to bow down to immigrants, and that wasn't really what he was saying. He was just blah blahing anyway... not looking to enact forced bilingualism. You really do hate him.

It isn't great... I'm just a stickler for getting quotes right. Also, coming from the UK you probably don't speak any other languages yourself so it seems more threatening. My lousy German and semi decent French have definitely made traveling easier, and got me very decent employment in the US I wouldn't have had otherwise. I'm Canadian.

Dein Deutsch ist doch hevorragend. Du hast auf jeden Fall einen dauerhaften Eindruck bei mir hinterlassen, was dein Deutsch betrifft.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #45 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:34:32 AM »

Quote from: Deedee on July 10, 2008, 08:27:40 AM

It isn't great... I'm just a stickler for getting quotes right. Also, coming from the UK you probably don't speak any other languages yourself so it seems more threatening. My lousy German and semi decent French have definitely made traveling easier, and got me very decent employment in the US I wouldn't have had otherwise. I'm Canadian.

How about I know Norwegian to a degree (especially verbally) and Spanish. How about you stop assuming things?

Deicide · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:39:48 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on July 10, 2008, 08:34:32 AM

How about I know Norwegian to a degree (especially verbally) and Spanish. How about you stop assuming things?

Sabes que el multilingualismo es importante para la educación y puede abrir los umbrales del empleo. Obama era el intentar justo animar.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:43:49 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 10, 2008, 08:39:48 AM

Sabes que el multilingualismo es importante para la educación y puede abrir los umbrales del empleo. Obama era el intentar justo animar.

OK I agree, but in my opinion he was very specific by mentioning Spanish don't you think?

P.S. impressive, how many languages do you know?

Deicide · « **Reply #48 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:48:07 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on July 10, 2008, 08:43:49 AM

OK I agree, but in my opinion he was very specific by mentioning Spanish don't you think?

P.S. impressive, how many languages do you know?

Depends on what you mean by know...either quite a few or less...

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #49 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:54:33 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on July 10, 2008, 08:48:07 AM

Depends on what you mean by know...either quite a few or less...

Well, what can you carry a conversation with?

I don't mean comprehensive knowledge of syntax and such, just being able to speak to a local of a country without saying something weird or stupid.