Author Topic: hair friendly, but effective cycle... (Read 21022 times)

theworm · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2008, 02:15:01 PM »

ok final question here:

in terms of minimizing sides (mainly hair loss and acne)...

which cycle would be better?

deca 300 and test 400 x 10 weeks with arimidex OR

or test 500 x 10 weeks (plus some winny or var) with finasteride and arimidex?

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2008, 03:26:42 PM »

Quote from: theworm on July 13, 2008, 02:15:01 PM

ok final question here:

in terms of minimizing sides (mainly hair loss and acne)...

which cycle would be better?

deca 300 and test 400 x 10 weeks with arimidex OR

or test 500 x 10 weeks (plus some winny or var) with finasteride and arimidex?

Have you done any cycles to date? If you have, what happened? Sounds like you are a bit older if you are getting HRT.

theworm · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2008, 04:00:24 PM »

on first cycle now, deca 300 and test 200, in week 4. doing ok, but need to work on diet,,,just plannin second cycle, and doing my research. want to minimize risk of hair loss and acne...

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2008, 05:29:54 PM »

Quote from: theworm on July 13, 2008, 04:00:24 PM

on first cycle now, deca 300 and test 200, in week 4. doing ok, but need to work on diet,,,just plannin second cycle, and doing my research. want to minimize risk of hair loss and acne...

Well if stay at low dosages then that is a good way to minimize sides.

DIVISION · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2008, 03:04:03 PM »

Quote from: theworm on July 11, 2008, 07:42:24 PM

thoughts?

i was planning on Test 500 per week x 12 weeks
anavar 25 mg x 50 days
finasteride 1mg daily throughout
arimidex 0.5mg EOD

How bad is your hair problem right now?

What stage are you in?

That would determine whether I'd agree with this or not.

DIV

theworm · « **Reply #30 on:** July 16, 2008, 04:44:34 PM »

not thinning much, maybe 10% if at all, maybe 5%, at the vertex. maybe. barely noticable.

but i was gonna do test 500 and deca 300....

DIVISION · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2008, 05:02:20 PM »

Quote from: theworm on July 16, 2008, 04:44:34 PM

not thinning much, maybe 10% if at all, maybe 5%, at the vertex. maybe. barely noticable.

but i was gonna do test 500 and deca 300....

In that case, I give you the go-ahead.

That cycle looks fine.

DIV

theworm · « **Reply #32 on:** July 16, 2008, 05:36:14 PM »

thanks div. i axed the orals cause they were way too expensive!

anyway whats your thougts on test only cycles plus finasteride? lots of people on other boards rec this cycle, but seems like all one would get is water retention, etc.. seems more effective to me to add 300 or so of another compound like deca. i think the two would be synergistic (better gains, and fewer sides) when stacked...

thanks!

DIVISION · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2008, 05:50:45 PM »

Quote from: theworm on July 16, 2008, 05:36:14 PM

thanks div. i axed the orals cause they were way too expensive!

anyway whats your thougts on test only cycles plus finasteride? lots of people on other boards rec this cycle, but seems like all one would get is water retention, etc.. seems more effective to me to add 300 or so of another compound like deca. i think the two would be synergistic (better gains, and fewer sides) when stacked...

thanks!

If you want to maximize gains from a simple cycle, use at least two components.

Test/Deca with a moderate anabolic oral like Winstrol/T-bol/Anavar.

As long as all AAS are deriatives of different compounds, you will have snynergy.

For this reason, you'd never stack Tren and Deca together.

DIV

Big_Tymer · « **Reply #34 on:** July 16, 2008, 06:07:09 PM »

http://pogue972.blogspot.com/2006/03/preventing-androgenic-hair-loss.html

read that shit theworm.

theworm · « **Reply #35 on:** July 16, 2008, 06:27:28 PM »

thanks big tymer,,i know all that.

the questions was which was more hair friendly:

400 test and 300deca...

OR

500 test alone with finasteride? (many say that finasteride may cause more baldness when combined with deca, hence the question)

candidizzle · « **Reply #36 on:** July 16, 2008, 06:29:03 PM »

i would go with the test+fina, no question... but ONLY for less hair loss side effects; im not saying its better in ANY OTHER REGARD...

theworm · « **Reply #37 on:** July 16, 2008, 07:58:09 PM »

true that.

i agree candi.

many other sites rec just test only, and they really push that shit. I cannot see how it can be any better than 500 test with low dose deca added in!! rediculous. from what i remember, adding deca to test helps to solidify gains. I hope at least.

candidizzle · « **Reply #38 on:** July 16, 2008, 07:59:58 PM »

well yeah defnitely...more total androgens=more total growth
i think the real debate is 800mg test vs 500mg test +300mg deca

theworm · « **Reply #39 on:** July 16, 2008, 08:01:23 PM »

interesting question,,, i feel 500 test and 300 deca is much better than 800 test. i bet the two are synergistic...meaning adding the 2 produces a benefit beyond each individually...

candidizzle · « **Reply #40 on:** July 16, 2008, 08:06:13 PM »

maybe, i am not so sure

i think maybe it goes like this (purely off the top of the head speculating here)... give each steroid a rating on hw strong of a growth agent it is... like.. 100 mg of test might equal 9 point (higher the btter) deca maybe gets 7 point...dbol maybe gets 8 point...eq mayb get 5 point... tren get 9 point.. anadrol get 8 point.. winny get 3 point.. see what i mean

growth rating... now add up total growth rating... like...800 mg of test = 8 X growth rating of 9 points so = 72 growth rating... now.. 500mg test +300 mg deca is 5 x 9 + 3 x 7 = 66 growth rating...

pure speculation, but thats what i speculate

theworm · « **Reply #41 on:** July 16, 2008, 08:10:25 PM »

i think its more complicated than that. Thats why people stack, and not just use a gram of test per week... also i feel above 500mg of test, more of it gets converted to estrogen, and more test just floats around unbound to the receptor. throw in deca, and it may bind the adrogen receptor in a different region or isotype... so, i think 500test and 300 deca is better than 800 of test alone...!

Big_Tymer · « **Reply #42 on:** July 16, 2008, 09:04:00 PM »

IMO 500test / 1mg finasteride would be safer on the hair.

candidizzle · « **Reply #43 on:** July 16, 2008, 10:40:47 PM »

Quote from: theworm on July 16, 2008, 08:10:25 PM

i think its more complicated than that. Thats why people stack, and not just use a gram of test per week... also i feel above 500mg of test, more of it gets converted to estrogen, and more test just floats around unbound to the receptor. throw in deca, and it may bind the adrogen receptor in a different region or isotype... so, i think 500test and 300 deca is better than 800 of test alone...!

this is the part im not so sure about

all androgens are synergistic, ...i am not sure one compound with another is synergistic, any more so than that same mg of same potency.

i mean.. all aandrogens bind to androgen recptor. differences lie in what they tell the AR TO DO.. I THINK THIS IS REFERED TO AS GENE EXPRESSION... (sorry caps).. see, while both dbol and winstrol might bind to the same recpeotr, and while winstrol actually BINDS tighter (or activates more genes or tells it to do more thigns)... the difference, why dbol is stronger... is beecause of the specific thing it tells the ar to do.. certain androgen make you grow more than other androgens bececause of the things they activate..

more mg= more growth.. pretty much straight forward... now out of those total mg.. the more powerful the androgen ( by powerful i mean it makes you grow faster... not binding affinity)..the more you grow.... s

so 1500 mg total androgens is 1500mg androgens
what matters is
what are these androgens telling the ar to do?

i am not so sure their is anything synergestic about combinding different androgens.. i mean, if nandralone does not cue growth as strongly as testosterone does... then you would have more growth from test alone than from test +deca ( total mg being equal )

.... then again... certains androgen might cue ertain TRULY non ar mediated factors than other androgens.. but i have never seen any kind of info on that...so i woudlnt believe that FOR NOW.. but you never know ( by truly non ar mediated i mean, of course, things like gh production, satellite cell reaction, glucose metabolism... ect ect )

theworm · « **Reply #44 on:** August 11, 2008, 07:48:19 PM »

i think test only cycle may be best for the following reasons...

allows you to use propecia, witch will

1. decrease hair loss
2. decrease acne ( yes this has been proven, sebaceous glands also have type 2 alpha reducatase inhibitor)
3. decrease prostate enlargement

seems like maybe not the best gains, but 500-600 x 12 weeks plus finasteride seems like a good bet..

theworm · « **Reply #45 on:** August 14, 2008, 07:31:51 PM »

ok, test plus propecia it is...

but would it be ok to use anadrol 25 mg x weeks as a jumpstart, that would not be affected by finasteride, but would that amount case a lot of hair loss?

Big_Tymer · « **Reply #46 on:** August 14, 2008, 08:52:59 PM »

Quote from: theworm on August 14, 2008, 07:31:51 PM

ok, test plus propecia it is...

but would it be ok to use anadrol 25 mg x weeks as a jumpstart, that would not be affected by finasteride, but would that amount case a lot of hair loss?

it could. as scared as you are about hairloss i would definitely leave the drol out.

Rimbaud · « **Reply #47 on:** August 14, 2008, 09:23:59 PM »

If you are that worried/paranoid about the possibility of some hair loss then don't use AAS.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #48 on:** August 15, 2008, 04:47:17 AM »

Quote from: Rimbaud on August 14, 2008, 09:23:59 PM

If you are that worried/paranoid about the possibility of some hair loss then don't use AAS.

Yes sorry Worm but you do come off as a bit paranoid. No matter what the gear concoction you may lose hair if you are predispossed. A normal, healthy person would be better off not using gear if a trouble free life is wanted. Gear taking is a risk.....why do you think all the whackos here like it??

theworm · « **Reply #49 on:** August 15, 2008, 01:07:42 PM »

i am going to use them, just trying to minimize risk.

there are no medical journals writtin on this kind of stuff, so trying to collect as much info as possible, and here is what i came up with. If i wanted to add 15, and have the lowest risk of loosing hair, getting acne, etc, then it seems best to use 500-600 test x 12 weeks plus propecia.

thanks for all the help guys...