Power Cleans.

[chaos]

height, bf % ?

I'm 6'2" and yes I have BF.......make no mistake, I'm not a primadonna bottom boy that is concerned with showing off in a g-string.


When you coming down again cap? Two weeks we are going to test maxes, then third week we are going to switch programs, try something new.

[Cap]

I'm 6'2" and yes I have BF.......make no mistake, I'm not a primadonna bottom boy that is concerned with showing off in a g-string.


When you coming down again cap? Two weeks we are going to test maxes, then third week we are going to switch programs, try something new.

Soon, as I decided to take that trip we talked about.  It's always good to lift with a big mofo like you, just like lifting with the D Ends.   

[candidizzle]

 the reason they dont work for bodybuilding is because they incorporate too many muscles ! like you said, you dont even train biceps because cleans hit them.   do you honestly think your biceps are growing better off of indirect work from cleans, than they would if you gave them their own full workout with direct exercises ?    

heck no they arent !

but if you DO do direct exercises for a muscle, you cannot just go and hit it indirectly two days later and expect to work out that same muscle directly again the next time it pops up in your schedule.


what do cleans hit, pretty much everything ! but i could see them , being done properly, hitting almost entirely upper body.      so i guess, if your a bodybuilder training something like

upper
lower
off
upper
lower
offf
ect ect

then cleans would work just fine, fantastically even.... since heavy compound movements are great for hormonal stimulation and metabolic rate.

 

[chaos]

the reason they dont work for bodybuilding is because they incorporate too many muscles ! like you said, you dont even train biceps because cleans hit them.   do you honestly think your biceps are growing better off of indirect work from cleans, than they would if you gave them their own full workout with direct exercises ?    

heck no they arent !

but if you DO do direct exercises for a muscle, you cannot just go and hit it indirectly two days later and expect to work out that same muscle directly again the next time it pops up in your schedule.


what do cleans hit, pretty much everything ! but i could see them , being done properly, hitting almost entirely upper body.      so i guess, if your a bodybuilder training something like

upper
lower
off
upper
lower
offf
ect ect

then cleans would work just fine, fantastically even.... since heavy compound movements are great for hormonal stimulation and metabolic rate.

 

Some people would tell you their arms grew most once they stopped training them directly.

[Cap]

the reason they dont work for bodybuilding is because they incorporate too many muscles ! like you said, you dont even train biceps because cleans hit them.   do you honestly think your biceps are growing better off of indirect work from cleans, than they would if you gave them their own full workout with direct exercises ?     

heck no they arent !

but if you DO do direct exercises for a muscle, you cannot just go and hit it indirectly two days later and expect to work out that same muscle directly again the next time it pops up in your schedule.


what do cleans hit, pretty much everything ! but i could see them , being done properly, hitting almost entirely upper body.      so i guess, if your a bodybuilder training something like

upper
lower
off
upper
lower
offf
ect ect

then cleans would work just fine, fantastically even.... since heavy compound movements are great for hormonal stimulation and metabolic rate.

 

I know athletes who do direct arm work as an after thought (one or two do it 2-3x a week; 6 sets) but the strongest lifters I personally know, track throwers, never do them and their arms are huge.  My schedule could include them and maybe they would grow a bit more but they could also keep growing with heavy cleans and weighted chins, which I find have helped more than BB curls ever did.  The last guy I saw at a normal gym with HUGE arms (I studied his workout because he was huge) did almost all of his bicep sets with 3 plates attached to him and doing chins (reverse grip); easily 20 inch arms.  Do what works for you, it really is as simple as that.

[Zach Trowbridge]

the reason they dont work for bodybuilding is because they incorporate too many muscles ! like you said, you dont even train biceps because cleans hit them.   do you honestly think your biceps are growing better off of indirect work from cleans, than they would if you gave them their own full workout with direct exercises ?    

heck no they arent !

but if you DO do direct exercises for a muscle, you cannot just go and hit it indirectly two days later and expect to work out that same muscle directly again the next time it pops up in your schedule.


what do cleans hit, pretty much everything ! but i could see them , being done properly, hitting almost entirely upper body.      so i guess, if your a bodybuilder training something like

upper
lower
off
upper
lower
offf
ect ect

then cleans would work just fine, fantastically even.... since heavy compound movements are great for hormonal stimulation and metabolic rate.

 

Would you care to demonstrate a workout split that completely separates muscle overlap within a 48-hour time period?  I'm not buying that it's legitimately possible unless you do either an upper/lower 2x week or full-body 3x week split.

[wes]

Thanks for the support guys!! 

Dizzle,I never said I was huge,I said power cleans build muscle.

When you win 65 trophies in powerlifting and bodybuilding,it entails going to the gym once in a while.

You parrot info like an avid reader of Flex magazine bud.............keep it up we love it. 

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Love power cleans, my form was terrible a year ago. Just got it down correctly, and the weight is moving up.

[MisterMagoo]

Would you care to demonstrate a workout split that completely separates muscle overlap within a 48-hour time period?  I'm not buying that it's legitimately possible unless you do either an upper/lower 2x week or full-body 3x week split.

bingo. if you do chest and shoulders on different days, you're hitting the same muscles. back and legs? there's a lot of hip/hamstring work there. do arms have their own day? now you're overlapping biceps and triceps. lord help you if chest, shoulders, and arms all have their own days. now your triceps are getting worked three times a week!

[candidizzle]

your not working out correctly if your gettng significant involvement from secondary muscles. sure, front delts and tris play a small role in bench press, regardless of how good your mind+muscle is... but honestly... if you know how to work out properly you will not be using them any more than just small amounts of stabilizing support. no significant invoolvement.

[Zach Trowbridge]

your not working out correctly if your gettng significant involvement from secondary muscles. sure, front delts and tris play a small role in bench press, regardless of how good your mind+muscle is... but honestly... if you know how to work out properly you will not be using them any more than just small amounts of stabilizing support. no significant invoolvement.

Then by that logic, since the primary movers in a power clean are the delts and traps, if you know how to do them correctly, there should be "no significant involvement" from the biceps, forearms, and lower back.

[chaos]

your not working out correctly if your gettng significant involvement from secondary muscles. sure, front delts and tris play a small role in bench press, regardless of how good your mind+muscle is... but honestly... if you know how to work out properly you will not be using them any more than just small amounts of stabilizing support. no significant invoolvement.

Front delts and tris play a small role?

Oh brother.

[MisterMagoo]

your not working out correctly if your gettng significant involvement from secondary muscles. sure, front delts and tris play a small role in bench press, regardless of how good your mind+muscle is... but honestly... if you know how to work out properly you will not be using them any more than just small amounts of stabilizing support. no significant invoolvement.

did you just claim front delts and tris play a small role in the bench? jeezus...

[Zach Trowbridge]

did you just claim front delts and tris play a small role in the bench? jeezus...

It's all about the mind-muscle connection.  With enough effort you can do a 4,000-lb deadlift using just your rhomboids.  Everything else will have no significant involvement.

[candidizzle]

did you just claim front delts and tris play a small role in the bench? jeezus...

if done properly you can make their involvement be insignificant.

[chaos]

if done properly you can make their involvement be insignificant.

[candidizzle]

i guess you have very little mind to muscle connection chaos

[Zach Trowbridge]

if done properly you can make their involvement be insignificant.

And exactly how might that be done?  Thousands of professional trainers, powerlifters, bodybuilders, and strength athletes with world-class chest development are enquiring.

[chaos]

i guess you have very little mind to muscle connection chaos

I guess you could have found out if you actually showed up.

[MisterMagoo]

if done properly you can make their involvement be insignificant.

you will never, ever find a single reliable lifting coach or bodybuilder that will agree with this. if you want to talk pro BB'ers, levrone once said his triceps were standout because he did full range benches.

[candidizzle]

i guess i must just be one of the few individuals blessed with enhanced mind+muscle connection then... because my tri's nor front delts never get  any real kind of stimulation from chest work....sure they help a little bit, of course...but nothing that is significant at all..

i guess yoru guys biceps get all jacked and pumped during your back day as well?

[chaos]

i guess i must just be one of the few individuals blessed with enhanced mind+muscle connection then... because my tri's nor front delts never get  any real kind of stimulation from chest work....sure they help a little bit, of course...but nothing that is significant at all..

i guess yoru guys biceps get all jacked and pumped during your back day as well?

[candidizzle]

lol

ummmmm


epic jealousy?


sometimes i doubt if you guys ever even train


 

[MisterMagoo]

i guess i must just be one of the few individuals blessed with enhanced mind+muscle connection then... because my tri's nor front delts never get  any real kind of stimulation from chest work....sure they help a little bit, of course...but nothing that is significant at all..

i guess yoru guys biceps get all jacked and pumped during your back day as well?

uh... yeah. as do my glutes and hamstrings from squats and my forearms from doing shrugs. this might explain why everyone arguing with you is both bigger, stronger, and drug-free.

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

uh... yeah. as do my glutes and hamstrings from squats and my forearms from doing shrugs. this might explain why everyone arguing with you is both bigger, stronger, and drug-free.

Dizzle smashes my physique, but in essence I am bigger than him, and not on any drugs

Must be the power cleans