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Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« on: July 19, 2008, 12:42:16 PM »
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Posted on: Saturday, July 19, 2008
Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
And no relief likely as drop on Mainland not reflected in Hawaii

By Dan Nakaso
Advertiser Staff Writer

While the nation's average gasoline price dropped yesterday, the average cost of a gallon of regular on O'ahu rose a penny to a record $4.38, according to AAA data.


 As Mainland prices have fallen, Hawai'i has regained its place as the second costliest state in the nation — pricier than California and only topped by Alaska.

O'ahu drivers yesterday reacted with disgust and resignation.

"Why should I cry?" asked Wendell Hue, a driver for Hawaiian Island Medical. "Cannot do anything about it. Everything go up. I wish my pay would go up to keep up. But it doesn't."

Nationally, the average price for regular gas dropped to $4.105 a gallon yesterday, which means Honolulu drivers are paying almost 28 cents more than their Mainland counterparts.

But the gap could widen, as historically Honolulu prices have topped those on the Mainland by about 36 cents a gallon.

And while some analysts said a nationwide average of $4 or even lower could be in the offing — almost unthinkable in a summer when there has seemed to be no relief at the pump — the continuing price increases here suggest there may not be any relief for Hawai'i drivers.

Bill Green, the former owner of Kahala Shell who is now a consultant for the operation, said Hawai'i's unique fuel market means price drops elsewhere don't necessarily follow here.

"We're the only market in the United States that's totally supplied from Asia and the East," Green said. "We're not subject to the same competitive pressures that make prices go up and go down on the Mainland."

What's causing some analysts to even consider cheaper gasoline is the recent precipitous drop in the price of crude oil, from which gasoline is refined.

Crude recorded its biggest weekly price drop ever, falling from more than $147 a barrel last week to $128.88 yesterday, or a 12.3 percent drop.

That caused a new view from some industry experts who just days ago thought there was more juice left in oil's meteoric run.

"If this is not the bubble's implosion, then it's a reasonable facsimile," analyst and trader Stephen Schork said in his daily market commentary. "Time will tell. Nevertheless, for the time being we no longer care to hold a bullish view."

But despite the national drops in oil and gas prices, fuel prices here seem headed for increases, with the statewide average of $4.484 for a gallon of regular fuel ranking second in the nation only behind Alaska's $4.65.

By comparison, California's average prices fell from $4.607 a month ago to $4.480 yesterday, moving them from the second to the third costliest state.

A year ago, Hawai'i drivers paid an average of $3.296 per gallon, compared with a Mainland average of $3.020 per gallon.

Andrea Dias of Pearl City was like many others yesterday who did not fill up their gas tank. She only pumped $20 worth of regular into her 2007 Nissan Sentra to get through the weekend.

"It's ridiculous," she said. "I'm very frustrated. I only drive when I need to and plan my routes as effectively as possible because these prices are ridiculous."

People in Honolulu still have it better than drivers in Hilo, who saw a 2-cent-per-gallon increase and yesterday were paying an average of $4.52 a gallon.

In Wailuku, Maui, prices also jumped 2 cents per gallon from last week and yesterday were averaging $4.71 per gallon.

The divergence between state gasoline prices and elsewhere has been the subject of controversy and legislative attention.

State lawmakers passed the nation's only gasoline price cap law in 2005 in part because of concerns that state gasoline prices didn't sufficiently parallel Mainland prices. Proponents argued the cap lowered prices while critics contended it resulted in higher prices by giving oil companies an incentive to charge the maximum prices allowed by law.

The caps, which tied Hawai'i prices to Mainland markets, caused state prices to rapidly rise and fall. The gas cap law was suspended in May 2006.

A report issued late in 2007 said Hawai'i gasoline price cap would have cut prices 5 cents to 10 cents a gallon had it not been suspended.

One of the concerns expressed by lawmakers was the profit margins of oil companies.

But Green, the consultant, said he believes Honolulu drivers, in general, no longer blame individual gas stations for high prices. But many of them still don't understand that gas sales provide only pennies per gallon for station owners.

Instead of making money off gasoline, Green said Kahala Shell's profits come from its car wash and quick lube operations and sales of propane gas and snacks in the station's store.

"Gasoline is nothing more than a leader item," he said.

None of the explanations placated drivers such as Donna Domingues of Punalu'u. Not the uniqueness of Hawai'i's market. Not the profit margins on gas.

"Prices are just too high," she said. "They just keep going higher and higher each day."

Instead of paying more than $100 to fill up her tank, Domingues yesterday only put $50 into the 2007 Ford F-150 truck she was driving. "I only buy what I need anymore," she said. "It's just too expensive."

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080719/NEWS01/807190327&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2008, 01:28:05 PM »
it'll actually level off  now and rebound low before election time.

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2008, 05:33:53 PM »
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Posted on: Saturday, July 19, 2008
Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
And no relief likely as drop on Mainland not reflected in Hawaii

By Dan Nakaso
Advertiser Staff Writer

While the nation's average gasoline price dropped yesterday, the average cost of a gallon of regular on O'ahu rose a penny to a record $4.38, according to AAA data.


 As Mainland prices have fallen, Hawai'i has regained its place as the second costliest state in the nation — pricier than California and only topped by Alaska.

O'ahu drivers yesterday reacted with disgust and resignation.

"Why should I cry?" asked Wendell Hue, a driver for Hawaiian Island Medical. "Cannot do anything about it. Everything go up. I wish my pay would go up to keep up. But it doesn't."

Nationally, the average price for regular gas dropped to $4.105 a gallon yesterday, which means Honolulu drivers are paying almost 28 cents more than their Mainland counterparts.

But the gap could widen, as historically Honolulu prices have topped those on the Mainland by about 36 cents a gallon.

And while some analysts said a nationwide average of $4 or even lower could be in the offing — almost unthinkable in a summer when there has seemed to be no relief at the pump — the continuing price increases here suggest there may not be any relief for Hawai'i drivers.

Bill Green, the former owner of Kahala Shell who is now a consultant for the operation, said Hawai'i's unique fuel market means price drops elsewhere don't necessarily follow here.

"We're the only market in the United States that's totally supplied from Asia and the East," Green said. "We're not subject to the same competitive pressures that make prices go up and go down on the Mainland."

What's causing some analysts to even consider cheaper gasoline is the recent precipitous drop in the price of crude oil, from which gasoline is refined.

Crude recorded its biggest weekly price drop ever, falling from more than $147 a barrel last week to $128.88 yesterday, or a 12.3 percent drop.

That caused a new view from some industry experts who just days ago thought there was more juice left in oil's meteoric run.

"If this is not the bubble's implosion, then it's a reasonable facsimile," analyst and trader Stephen Schork said in his daily market commentary. "Time will tell. Nevertheless, for the time being we no longer care to hold a bullish view."

But despite the national drops in oil and gas prices, fuel prices here seem headed for increases, with the statewide average of $4.484 for a gallon of regular fuel ranking second in the nation only behind Alaska's $4.65.

By comparison, California's average prices fell from $4.607 a month ago to $4.480 yesterday, moving them from the second to the third costliest state.

A year ago, Hawai'i drivers paid an average of $3.296 per gallon, compared with a Mainland average of $3.020 per gallon.

Andrea Dias of Pearl City was like many others yesterday who did not fill up their gas tank. She only pumped $20 worth of regular into her 2007 Nissan Sentra to get through the weekend.

"It's ridiculous," she said. "I'm very frustrated. I only drive when I need to and plan my routes as effectively as possible because these prices are ridiculous."

People in Honolulu still have it better than drivers in Hilo, who saw a 2-cent-per-gallon increase and yesterday were paying an average of $4.52 a gallon.

In Wailuku, Maui, prices also jumped 2 cents per gallon from last week and yesterday were averaging $4.71 per gallon.

The divergence between state gasoline prices and elsewhere has been the subject of controversy and legislative attention.

State lawmakers passed the nation's only gasoline price cap law in 2005 in part because of concerns that state gasoline prices didn't sufficiently parallel Mainland prices. Proponents argued the cap lowered prices while critics contended it resulted in higher prices by giving oil companies an incentive to charge the maximum prices allowed by law.

The caps, which tied Hawai'i prices to Mainland markets, caused state prices to rapidly rise and fall. The gas cap law was suspended in May 2006.

A report issued late in 2007 said Hawai'i gasoline price cap would have cut prices 5 cents to 10 cents a gallon had it not been suspended.

One of the concerns expressed by lawmakers was the profit margins of oil companies.

But Green, the consultant, said he believes Honolulu drivers, in general, no longer blame individual gas stations for high prices. But many of them still don't understand that gas sales provide only pennies per gallon for station owners.

Instead of making money off gasoline, Green said Kahala Shell's profits come from its car wash and quick lube operations and sales of propane gas and snacks in the station's store.

"Gasoline is nothing more than a leader item," he said.

None of the explanations placated drivers such as Donna Domingues of Punalu'u. Not the uniqueness of Hawai'i's market. Not the profit margins on gas.

"Prices are just too high," she said. "They just keep going higher and higher each day."

Instead of paying more than $100 to fill up her tank, Domingues yesterday only put $50 into the 2007 Ford F-150 truck she was driving. "I only buy what I need anymore," she said. "It's just too expensive."

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080719/NEWS01/807190327&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

I don't think that article is very accurate. I know many people in Hawaii who've seen tremendous relief at the pump.

While the pump price may say $4.38, they're not paying anywhere near that. Some are even getting free gas, so they're not in the least ruffled by how high it goes. They're no longer having to put grocery money in their gas tanks, or trim their household budgets to accomodate for higher gas prices.

It's a really nice feeling to have the cost of your gas covered every week. I wish everyone could experience it.
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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2008, 05:55:00 PM »
I don't think that article is very accurate. I know many people in Hawaii who've seen tremendous relief at the pump.

While the pump price may say $4.38, they're not paying anywhere near that. Some are even getting free gas, so they're not in the least ruffled by how high it goes. They're no longer having to put grocery money in their gas tanks, or trim their household budgets to accomodate for higher gas prices.

It's a really nice feeling to have the cost of your gas covered every week. I wish everyone could experience it.

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2008, 06:15:31 PM »
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I guess $4.38 just isn't high enough for you yet.
Some people have a very high pain threshold, ...others not so much.

I think this is one area where it pays to have a low pain threshold.
The sooner one calls for relief, the sooner they are likely to get it.

Give me a shout when it hits $5.oo / gallon   

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2008, 06:33:15 PM »
It's about the same here in Chicago.

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 06:44:38 PM »
It's about the same here in Chicago.

We were at $1.362 per litre here in Toronto just a few days ago,  aka $5.155 a gallon,
...but it's been dropping. I think it dropped to $1.257 / litre aka $4.757 per gallon if I remember correctly.
It's hard to tell. I don't pay as much attention to the price anymore. I really should, ...but I don't.
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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2008, 08:04:13 PM »
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Posted on: Saturday, July 19, 2008
Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
And no relief likely as drop on Mainland not reflected in Hawaii

By Dan Nakaso
Advertiser Staff Writer

While the nation's average gasoline price dropped yesterday, the average cost of a gallon of regular on O'ahu rose a penny to a record $4.38, according to AAA data.


 As Mainland prices have fallen, Hawai'i has regained its place as the second costliest state in the nation — pricier than California and only topped by Alaska.

O'ahu drivers yesterday reacted with disgust and resignation.

"Why should I cry?" asked Wendell Hue, a driver for Hawaiian Island Medical. "Cannot do anything about it. Everything go up. I wish my pay would go up to keep up. But it doesn't."

Nationally, the average price for regular gas dropped to $4.105 a gallon yesterday, which means Honolulu drivers are paying almost 28 cents more than their Mainland counterparts.

But the gap could widen, as historically Honolulu prices have topped those on the Mainland by about 36 cents a gallon.

And while some analysts said a nationwide average of $4 or even lower could be in the offing — almost unthinkable in a summer when there has seemed to be no relief at the pump — the continuing price increases here suggest there may not be any relief for Hawai'i drivers.

Bill Green, the former owner of Kahala Shell who is now a consultant for the operation, said Hawai'i's unique fuel market means price drops elsewhere don't necessarily follow here.

"We're the only market in the United States that's totally supplied from Asia and the East," Green said. "We're not subject to the same competitive pressures that make prices go up and go down on the Mainland."

What's causing some analysts to even consider cheaper gasoline is the recent precipitous drop in the price of crude oil, from which gasoline is refined.

Crude recorded its biggest weekly price drop ever, falling from more than $147 a barrel last week to $128.88 yesterday, or a 12.3 percent drop.

That caused a new view from some industry experts who just days ago thought there was more juice left in oil's meteoric run.

"If this is not the bubble's implosion, then it's a reasonable facsimile," analyst and trader Stephen Schork said in his daily market commentary. "Time will tell. Nevertheless, for the time being we no longer care to hold a bullish view."

But despite the national drops in oil and gas prices, fuel prices here seem headed for increases, with the statewide average of $4.484 for a gallon of regular fuel ranking second in the nation only behind Alaska's $4.65.

By comparison, California's average prices fell from $4.607 a month ago to $4.480 yesterday, moving them from the second to the third costliest state.

A year ago, Hawai'i drivers paid an average of $3.296 per gallon, compared with a Mainland average of $3.020 per gallon.

Andrea Dias of Pearl City was like many others yesterday who did not fill up their gas tank. She only pumped $20 worth of regular into her 2007 Nissan Sentra to get through the weekend.

"It's ridiculous," she said. "I'm very frustrated. I only drive when I need to and plan my routes as effectively as possible because these prices are ridiculous."

People in Honolulu still have it better than drivers in Hilo, who saw a 2-cent-per-gallon increase and yesterday were paying an average of $4.52 a gallon.

In Wailuku, Maui, prices also jumped 2 cents per gallon from last week and yesterday were averaging $4.71 per gallon.

The divergence between state gasoline prices and elsewhere has been the subject of controversy and legislative attention.

State lawmakers passed the nation's only gasoline price cap law in 2005 in part because of concerns that state gasoline prices didn't sufficiently parallel Mainland prices. Proponents argued the cap lowered prices while critics contended it resulted in higher prices by giving oil companies an incentive to charge the maximum prices allowed by law.

The caps, which tied Hawai'i prices to Mainland markets, caused state prices to rapidly rise and fall. The gas cap law was suspended in May 2006.

A report issued late in 2007 said Hawai'i gasoline price cap would have cut prices 5 cents to 10 cents a gallon had it not been suspended.

One of the concerns expressed by lawmakers was the profit margins of oil companies.

But Green, the consultant, said he believes Honolulu drivers, in general, no longer blame individual gas stations for high prices. But many of them still don't understand that gas sales provide only pennies per gallon for station owners.

Instead of making money off gasoline, Green said Kahala Shell's profits come from its car wash and quick lube operations and sales of propane gas and snacks in the station's store.

"Gasoline is nothing more than a leader item," he said.

None of the explanations placated drivers such as Donna Domingues of Punalu'u. Not the uniqueness of Hawai'i's market. Not the profit margins on gas.

"Prices are just too high," she said. "They just keep going higher and higher each day."

Instead of paying more than $100 to fill up her tank, Domingues yesterday only put $50 into the 2007 Ford F-150 truck she was driving. "I only buy what I need anymore," she said. "It's just too expensive."

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080719/NEWS01/807190327&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2008, 10:05:55 PM »
Move to New York and ride the subway.

Then I'd be in New York.  I'll just take the bus when I can while my kids are on summer break (like I've been doing) and then start complaining whenever I have to fill up.

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2008, 10:14:46 PM »
Hawaii was always more expensive then California.

Premium is 4.55  here.   And i live with in 45 minutes from 3 refineries.   ;D

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008, 10:20:02 PM »
Hawaii was always more expensive then California.

Premium is 4.55  here.   And i live with in 45 minutes from 3 refineries.   ;D

It's between 4.50 and 5.00 for premium most places and over 5 on neighbor islands. 

I can't believe oil was $11 a barrel in the not too distant past. 

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Re: Honolulu gas prices hit record $4.38
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2008, 10:28:28 PM »
We were at $1.362 per litre here in Toronto just a few days ago,  aka $5.155 a gallon,
...but it's been dropping. I think it dropped to $1.257 / litre aka $4.757 per gallon if I remember correctly.
It's hard to tell. I don't pay as much attention to the price anymore. I really should, ...but I don't.

Just checked an hour ago... it is now back up to $1.272 per litre, aka $4.815 per gallon.
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