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[OzmO]

They're not just campaign statements.  They are categorical statements about what he will do as Commander in Chief.  He's making these statements in an attempt to get people to make him Commander in Chief.  I think it's silly not to point out and focus on the fact he was been announcing military strategy without talking to the military.  

What he does when's he's commander and chief and what he says to get there are 2 different things.

Aside from that, the spanish thing was unbelievable.   

[Dos Equis]

What he does when's he's commander and chief and what he says to get there are 2 different things.

Aside from that, the spanish thing was unbelievable.   

I can't believe you're saying this Ozmo.  Does it matter to you what Obama says about military objectives?   

[OzmO]

I can't believe you're saying this Ozmo.  Does it matter to you what Obama says about military objectives?   

I know the difference between statements designed to get you to agree with a POV or to pander to a POV vs. statements of intent.  (That's one of the things that killed BUSH #1 when he said:  "Read my lips.....No new taxes")

Example:

McCain sings "Bomb Bomb" Iran.   He was pandering, not expressing intent.

Obama is no idiot.  However, people who read pulp crap like that and not see it for what it is are.  And it appeals to them.  Just like raising the Capital gains tax to 28% to "make it fair" appeals to people who earn less than 30K a year and have no net worth.  they have no concept of how the economy is spurred and how lower taxes creates jobs and helps the small businessman.

Has Obama said he will not consult with his generals before he makes military decisions?  No.

It's all fluff and bull dookie.

[Dos Equis]

I know the difference between statements designed to get you to agree with a POV or to pander to a POV vs. statements of intent.  (That's one of the things that killed BUSH #1 when he said:  "Read my lips.....No new taxes")

Example:

McCain sings "Bomb Bomb" Iran.   He was pandering, not expressing intent.

Obama is no idiot.  However, people who read pulp crap like that and not see it for what it is are.  And it appeals to them.  Just like raising the Capital gains tax to 28% to "make it fair" appeals to people who earn less than 30K a year and have no net worth.  they have no concept of how the economy is spurred and how lower taxes creates jobs and helps the small businessman.

Has Obama said he will not consult with his generals before he makes military decisions?  No.

It's all fluff and bull dookie.

I understand what you're saying.  One of the main reasons Bush Sr. lost my vote was breaking the "read my lips" pledge.  On the other hand, I don't consider Obama's comments fluff, etc.  He has based a large part of his campaign on ending the war.  He said he will do this by withdrawing 1 to 2 brigades a month after he takes office.  He made those comments without consulting the military.  That may not bother you, but I think it's flat out irresponsible.  I don't want someone like that in charge of the military. 

[OzmO]

I understand what you're saying.  One of the main reasons Bush Sr. lost my vote was breaking the "read my lips" pledge.  On the other hand, I don't consider Obama's comments fluff, etc.  He has based a large part of his campaign on ending the war.  He said he will do this by withdrawing 1 to 2 brigades a month after he takes office.  He made those comments without consulting the military.  That may not bother you, but I think it's flat out irresponsible.  I don't want someone like that in charge of the military. 

I see what you are saying and it does seem irresponsible. 

But when you consider that a large part of Americans are tired of war that statement is appealing. 

People who support Obama will see the statement partially as an "intent" to get our troops out of there even though it may not be logistically possible it may not matter to them if it ends up taking twice as long.

While McCain supporters will see it as irresponsible and naive not to consult the JCS and others before he makes statements like that.

A statement like that is sure to get fire from the opposition, but if you want to win a presidency you can't make too many vanilla statements.  You can't be afraid to rile some people up.

[Dos Equis]

I see what you are saying and it does seem irresponsible. 

But when you consider that a large part of Americans are tired of war that statement is appealing. 

People who support Obama will see the statement partially as an "intent" to get our troops out of there even though it may not be logistically possible it may not matter to them if it ends up taking twice as long.

While McCain supporters will see it as irresponsible and naive not to consult the JCS and others before he makes statements like that.

A statement like that is sure to get fire from the opposition, but if you want to win a presidency you can't make too many vanilla statements.  You can't be afraid to rile some people up.

Agree.

[240 is Back]

9/11 was a inside job.  

Duh.

[headhuntersix]

Jag, Vets for Freedom...not douchbags for appeasement..or fags for surrender. Or foreign worthless libs for whining and socialism.

[240 is Back]

not douchbags for appeasement..

Please show Bush a little more respect.

He HAD to give a million barrels of oil to North Korea.  They have WMD.

He HAD to send his #3 man to a table with Iran.  They fired missiles.

It's not 'appeasement'.  It's simply giving in. 

[OzmO]

Duh.

Interesting this was brought up.   Using "flawed logic" so to speak, how could they pull of the greatest hoax in history in 9/11 but not be able to make usre there was WMD's in Iraq? 
 

[240 is Back]

Interesting this was brought up.   Using "flawed logic" so to speak, how could they pull of the greatest hoax in history in 9/11 but not be able to make usre there was WMD's in Iraq? 
 

The majority of people polled don't believe the official story.

"Pulled it off" would mean that people don't find out.  If you kill your wife, and after 2 weeks the police investigation leads to your arrest, you didn't "pull it off".  You just didn't get found out right away.  The fact that the majority of americans (and worldwide) polled believe it was an inside job show that part of the act, deception, only worked for a short time.  Did it get the war in afghanistan for caspian oil starter?  Sure did.  bush was bragging about our success with caspian oil reserves in his Tuesday press conference.  post-911 invasion led to our bases setting up camp on those

Some believe that as world govts discovered the truth about 911 (didn't take long), they were very observant about WMD.  Anything faked would have likely been discredited, causing a bigger smoking gun than no smoking gun.

[OzmO]

The majority of people polled don't believe the official story.

"Pulled it off" would mean that people don't find out.  If you kill your wife, and after 2 weeks the police investigation leads to your arrest, you didn't "pull it off".  You just didn't get found out right away.  The fact that the majority of americans (and worldwide) polled believe it was an inside job show that part of the act, deception, only worked for a short time.  Did it get the war in afghanistan for caspian oil starter?  Sure did.  bush was bragging about our success with caspian oil reserves in his Tuesday press conference.  post-911 invasion led to our bases setting up camp on those

Some believe that as world govts discovered the truth about 911 (didn't take long), they were very observant about WMD.  Anything faked would have likely been discredited, causing a bigger smoking gun than no smoking gun.

What people believe?   People believed the world was flat at one point.  People are stupid as a whole.

That's not what this is about.  This is about the question of whether a group in our government is smart and skilled enough to pull off the greatest hoax in history but not being able to put WMD's in Iraq.

That destroys any 9/11 inside job crap. 
 

[The Coach]

Duh.

 



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[240 is Back]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

making fun like that used to fly.

Until all the military folks came forward in the last year, demanding an investigation.

They know their shit, and they know that speaking about 911 costs them advancement in the military.

however, they do feel very strongly that it was allowed to happen, and that many things we were told happened that day, could not have.

I don't trust CTers making youtube videos.  When military personnel join hundreds of scientists and physicists, and they all agree there are lies in the official story, well, it kinda makes me want a second investigation.