Please critique my new cycle I am planning

[Overload]

Exactly...thinks for taking the words out of my mouth...I've been sitting at the PC way to long today...getting difficult typing my thoughts, lol!

It's all GOOD!

[Overload]

Thats why I recommend only aromasin as an ai during PCT it will not kill the estrogen. It will bring it down, but not kill it like some think. IGF-1 concentrations and liver values are not affected.

I've heard this as well and it sounds good, but i've never tried it.

I would stay away from Adex and Letro.

[Emmortal]

This was my understanding and experience.

Blocking estrogen during PCT can lead to big problems.

Guys have been using Clomid/Nolva combos for years with no problems.

I think the big problem is the misuse of AI's all together.  A lot of guys overdo it and drive their estrogen into the ground.  Proper use of an AI during a cycle and even in PCT can help manage aromatization issues that some people experience, it's not for everyone, but works extremely well for guys who use it properly.

I've seen a lot of people dismiss AI's all together but I think the problem is, just like with everything else in this game, there's a real lack of understanding on how to use AI's properly and that using a dose Joe Blow posted on some board for his cycle as your own dose isn't the best way to go about it.  Plus there are different AI's all with different levels of response, i.e. Letro being very potent compared to say Aromasin all of which have varying levels of effectiveness at many different dose ranges.

I'm beginning to stop recommending use of AI's to newer people, with the exception of those that are very gyno prone, because I think it's really something they should run once they have a few cycles under their belt and know how they react without an AI first.

[4thAD]

I've heard this as well and it sounds good, but i've never tried it.

I would stay away from Adex and Letro.

absolutely, the affect on igf-1 and the added negative effective on liver values would not help an already compromised liver. When I say compromised I am referring to just the stress from a bulking diet, and cycle alone. (hope that makes sense...)

[Overload]

I think the big problem is the misuse of AI's all together.  A lot of guys overdo it and drive their estrogen into the ground.  Proper use of an AI during a cycle and even in PCT can help manage aromatization issues that some people experience, it's not for everyone, but works extremely well for guys who use it properly.

I've seen a lot of people dismiss AI's all together but I think the problem is, just like with everything else in this game, there's a real lack of understanding on how to use AI's properly and that using a dose Joe Blow posted on some board for his cycle as your own dose isn't the best way to go about it.  Plus there are different AI's all with different levels of response, i.e. Letro being very potent compared to say Aromasin all of which have varying levels of effectiveness at many different dose ranges.

I beginning to stop recommending use of AI's to newer people, with the exception of those that are very gyno prone, because I think it's really something they should run once they have a few cycles under their belt and know how they react without an AI first.

I agree.

Proper use can benefit, but i have yet to see anyone benefit by using them.

Too many guys have no idea what they are doing by taking them.

I never recommend them.

[DIVISION]

I was planning to do another cycle before christmas this year, this is what I was thinking,

weeks 1 - 10 1,500 mg test e / week   750 mon 750 thurs

that is it, simple, I am not sure what to do with pct, last time I just used gh pct and had my test levels checked a month or two after cycle and everything was normal except the doc said he could still see some traces of aas in raised something levels, test levels where back in normal range.  Any opinions on this?

jt

Seems kind of basic.......you'd get more out of it if you stacked another anabolic and an oral at the very least.

Deca/Winstrol -or- Tren/Winstrol


DIV

[candidizzle]

yes, definitely get more gains with more mg of androgens.  i think he only wants to run 1500mg though.

[jtsunami]

Seems kind of basic.......you'd get more out of it if you stacked another anabolic and an oral at the very least.

Deca/Winstrol -or- Tren/Winstrol


DIV

I would love to add some more stuff to it, but I am on a limited budget and the test is the cheapest thing I can get.  I have never tried tren and would love to. 

On the AI stuff, they make me feel terrible, with aromasin I can't sleep, with letro, my hair sheds like crazy.  And with the anti-e nolva and clomid make me have arm pit sweats from just sitting around and ass sweats lol.

Call me crazy, but I was going to try and just do not pct with this and see how long it takes me to come back, a while back I did a primo only cycle for 6 weeks and did no pct and I never noticed anything different.  I know the primo is much more less potent.  I am in my 20's so maybe my balls will bounce back faster?  Maybe keep the nolva or clomid on the side in case I can't come back.  Has anyone tried this before?

jt

[Arnold jr]

  Has anyone tried this before?

jt

I have...it was hard to get going again...I don't recommend it.

[jtsunami]

OK cool thx Aj, I still might try it tbo, just to see, but will have nolva on hand.  Would you recommend maybe something other than standard anti e's ai's as they make me feel horrible?  Maybe just hcg or something like that?  I have never tried HCG at all before.

jt

[Overload]

I have...it was hard to get going again...I don't recommend it.

Same here.

HCG, Nolva and Clomid is all he should need to get him going again.

Everyone has their own opinion on dosage and duration.

[candidizzle]

OK cool thx Aj, I still might try it tbo, just to see, but will have nolva on hand.  Would you recommend maybe something other than standard anti e's ai's as they make me feel horrible?  Maybe just hcg or something like that?  I have never tried HCG at all before.

jt

there are some studies iw ill try to dind for you...   they demonstrate that post cycle LH is not what takes a long time to bounce back, but testicular function is. what that means is that hcg is vital, while serms are not.

however serms still speed the process, since they immideitly start lh back up... where as without them it make take a few weeks...

[Tombo]

I think the big problem is the misuse of AI's all together.  A lot of guys overdo it and drive their estrogen into the ground.  Proper use of an AI during a cycle and even in PCT can help manage aromatization issues that some people experience, it's not for everyone, but works extremely well for guys who use it properly.

I've seen a lot of people dismiss AI's all together but I think the problem is, just like with everything else in this game, there's a real lack of understanding on how to use AI's properly and that using a dose Joe Blow posted on some board for his cycle as your own dose isn't the best way to go about it.  Plus there are different AI's all with different levels of response, i.e. Letro being very potent compared to say Aromasin all of which have varying levels of effectiveness at many different dose ranges.

I'm beginning to stop recommending use of AI's to newer people, with the exception of those that are very gyno prone, because I think it's really something they should run once they have a few cycles under their belt and know how they react without an AI first.

Hi, i would consider myself a 'newer person' ... now would you say someone who has 'puffy nipples' or traces of gyno around a higher bodyfat (16-18%) but less obvious around lower % be 'more prone' i thought i'd ask this because its just impossible to find any info via searches.. and you seem to be knowledgeable thanks.

[Emmortal]

Hi, i would consider myself a 'newer person' ... now would you say someone who has 'puffy nipples' or traces of gyno around a higher bodyfat (16-18%) but less obvious around lower % be 'more prone' i thought i'd ask this because its just impossible to find any info via searches.. and you seem to be knowledgeable thanks.

I wouldn't say you are more prone since we're talking different body fat levels.  Most people would be "more prone" at higher body fat, especially at the 18% range.  I'd just keep your diet in check and stay in the 12-14% range if you can and have an AI on hand in case you need it.  It would also depend on what type of cycle you were running, say just a straight test cycle as opposed to a test, dbol, deca cycle in which case I'd probably say run a small dose throughout.  In the case of AI's, more is definitely not better and finding the minimal dose needed to control aromatization is key.  Start out low and slowly work up until there's no need to go higher.

[jtsunami]

there are some studies iw ill try to dind for you...   they demonstrate that post cycle LH is not what takes a long time to bounce back, but testicular function is. what that means is that hcg is vital, while serms are not.

however serms still speed the process, since they immideitly start lh back up... where as without them it make take a few weeks...

Hmm interesting, so just the HCG would suffice in getting your nuts back to normal it says?

jt

[Tombo]

I wouldn't say you are more prone since we're talking different body fat levels.  Most people would be "more prone" at higher body fat, especially at the 18% range.  I'd just keep your diet in check and stay in the 12-14% range if you can and have an AI on hand in case you need it.  It would also depend on what type of cycle you were running, say just a straight test cycle as opposed to a test, dbol, deca cycle in which case I'd probably say run a small dose throughout.  In the case of AI's, more is definitely not better and finding the minimal dose needed to control aromatization is key.  Start out low and slowly work up until there's no need to go higher.

thanks man, at the moment im clean so theres no emergency or anything but yeah.. that was very helpful.. i've always wondered what really caused my 'gyno' i mean its really fine when im low bf but yeah when ive been more bulky its been worse

[theworm]

thats a shit load of TEST!!!

why 1.5 grams per week?  Are you a pro?

do 1 gram and 300 deca or something like that.