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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2008, 10:03:09 AM »
What, are they going to close up all of their rat-infested Chinese restaurants here? ;D

They own a few million acres of American soil, Ducey.  And if they decided tomorrow to stop giving us $15 billion per week, we'd have an economy crash immediately.

Why would anyone here or anywhere else fear a people who are so solidly entrenched in the 4th century?

Because they have us by the economic balls, Mike.  

I know you love to rah-rah cheer the USA.  I love my country too.  And I'm a lifetime republican.  I do think you don't understand the economic complexities, or our dependence on china for our very survival.

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2008, 10:05:22 AM »
It'll be staved off.
I like how everone here (not you, 240) thinks they know more than the politicians.
Sure, sure, they may be scoundrels or bastards, or liars, whatever, but they ARE some of tghe brightest minds in the world, and/or the brightest minds in the world work for them/us.
We shall prevail

This isn't 240 talking.

This is nearly EVERY economist and financial trend projection, both domestically and globally.

They're all saying the same thing.  Even the white house is very concerned of the sliding dollar and our necessity borrowing.

The next prez will tax the shit out of us, and will cut spending.  both obama and mccain will.  They have to.

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2008, 10:07:27 AM »
They own a few million acres of American soil, Ducey.  And if they decided tomorrow to stop giving us $15 billion per week, we'd have an economy crash immediately.

Because they have us by the economic balls, Mike.  

I know you love to rah-rah cheer the USA.  I love my country too.  And I'm a lifetime republican.  I do think you don't understand the economic complexities, or our dependence on china for our very survival.

Nah...I understand a bit more than ya think!

We need both people like me & you.

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2008, 10:09:41 AM »
I'll still be on Lily Pond Lane in East Hampton NY. There isn't any rations here!

Yeah....my house is paid for.

I ain't goin' nowhere!

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2008, 10:11:35 AM »
We shall prevail

Exactly.

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2008, 10:18:27 AM »
Exactly.

The United States - is the Cash Nexus



great word usage

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2008, 10:20:50 AM »
America is a sinking ship.
Now they start shit in europe with their silly missile defense.
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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2008, 10:31:32 AM »
Who the hell is confident listening to the mainstream media?  The fear mongering never ends with the major news networks...they want everyone to be scared. 

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2008, 10:33:38 AM »
Who the hell is confident listening to the mainstream media?  The fear mongering never ends with the major news networks...they want everyone to be scared. 

Exactly, relentless.

At least you see this.

They target those with 6th-8th grade educations (too many  people these days).

Journalists=the least trusted profession today.

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2008, 10:46:18 AM »
That's YOUR reality, "boy".

HTH

HAHHA...DON'T GET UP TIGHT MOOOSEYBOY, AS SOON AS THE ECONOMY TANKS (WHICH WILL BE SOON) YOU WILL HAVE EVERYONE FROM THE MILITARY TO UN PEACE KEEPERS ON U.S. SOIL ROOTING OUT EVERY SCUM SUCKING LOWLIFE. AMERICA WILL BE HANDED OVER TO THE RUSSIANS, CHINESE, EUROPEANS AND ARABS WHO OWN THE WHOLE GOD DAMN PLACE ANYWAY. WITH SAUDIA ARABIA HAVING INVESTED 4 TRILLION DOLLARS IN AMERICA DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GONNA JUST SIT THERE AND WATCH THEIR MONEY DISAPPEAR???  HELL NO...THEY ARE COMING TO CLAIM WHAT THEY HAVE INVESTED IN. DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE ARE GOING TO WATCH THEIR TRILLIONS BLOW AWAY LIKE DUST...THEY ARE COMING TO CLAIM WHAT IS THEIRS...THE EUROS WHO CAN'T STAND WHITES IN AMERICA ANYWAY ARE COMING TO CLAIM THEIRS AND WILL HAVE WHITES IN FEMA CAMPS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT A PROBLEM YOU ARE AND THE RUSKIES ARE COMING TO CLAIM THEIRS. WHOLE AREAS WILL COME UNDER CONTROL OF FOREIGN NATIONS AND THEY WILL SET POLICY AND LAW AND UNLIKE AMERICA MILITARY AND COPS, THESE PEOPLE WILL HAVE NO AFFINITY FOR YOU AND WILL SHOOT ON DEMAND AND AT WILL.

YOU CAN FORGET YOUR SO CALLED MILITARY IN AMERICA...WITH NO MONEY, AND OIL CUT OFF AND MASSIVE DEBT AMERICA WILL HAVE NO POWER BUT TO SIT AND WATCH ITSELF TAKEN OVER AND TAKEN APART. FOR THE IDIOT WHO THINK THAT BECAUSE THEIR HOME IS PAID FOR OR BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN FAGVILLE HAMPTONS YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ONE THEY COME AFTER...SEIZING YOUR ASSETS, MONEY ETC FOR TEH SAKE OF AMERICA'S DEBT. DON'T GET COMFORTABLE IN YOUR HOME...IT WON'T BE YOURS FOR LONG. ALSO DO YOU THINK YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL SIT IDLY BY IN POVERTY AND WANT WHILE YOU SIT IN YOUR HOUSE AND EAT WELL??? HAHAH YO DON'T UNDERSTAND HUMAN PSYCHE AT ALL...YOUR LONG STANDING NEIGHBORS WILL BE THE FIRST TO ATTACK YOU FOR MONEY AND FOOD AND SHELTER....
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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2008, 10:51:59 AM »
Well, I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but that's exactly what the liberals want......for you to depend on the government for everything.

A bit long I know.  But man you have to read this, funny as hell. 


July 20, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
It’s the Economic Stupidity, Stupid
By FRANK RICH
THE best thing to happen to John McCain was for the three network anchors to leave him in the dust this week while they chase Barack Obama on his global Lollapalooza tour. Were voters forced to actually focus on Mr. McCain’s response to our spiraling economic crisis at home, the prospect of his ascension to the Oval Office could set off a panic that would make the IndyMac Bank bust in Pasadena look as merry as the Rose Bowl.

“In a time of war,” Mr. McCain said last week, “the commander in chief doesn’t get a learning curve.” Fair enough, but he imparted this wisdom in a speech that was almost a year behind Mr. Obama in recognizing Afghanistan as the central front in the war against Al Qaeda. Given that it took the deadliest Taliban suicide bombing in Kabul since 9/11 to get Mr. McCain’s attention, you have to wonder if even General Custer’s learning curve was faster than his.

Mr. McCain still doesn’t understand that we can’t send troops to Afghanistan unless they’re shifted from Iraq. But simple math, to put it charitably, has never been his forte. When it comes to the central front of American anxiety — the economy — his learning curve has flat-lined.

In 2000, he told an interviewer that he would make up for his lack of attention to “those issues.” As he entered the 2008 campaign, Mr. McCain was still saying the same, vowing to read “Greenspan’s book” as a tutorial. Last weekend, the resolutely analog candidate told The New York Times he is at last starting to learn how “to get online myself.” Perhaps he’ll retire his abacus by Election Day.

Mr. McCain’s fiscal ineptitude has received so little scrutiny in some press quarters that his chief economic adviser, the former Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, got a free pass until the moment he self-immolated on video by whining about “a nation of whiners.” The McCain-Gramm bond, dating back 15 years, is more scandalous than Mr. Obama’s connection with his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Mr. McCain has been so dependent on Mr. Gramm for economic policy that he sent him to newspaper editorial board meetings, no doubt to correct the candidate’s numbers much as Joe Lieberman cleans up after his confusions of Sunni and Shia.

Just two weeks before publicly sharing his thoughts about America’s “mental recession,” Mr. Gramm laid out equally incendiary views in a Wall Street Journal profile that portrayed him as “almost certainly” the McCain choice for Treasury secretary. Mr. Gramm said that the former chief executive of AT&T, Ed Whitacre, was “probably the most exploited worker in American history” since he received only a $158 million pay package rather than the “billions” he deserved for his success in growing Southwestern Bell.

But no one in the news media seemed to notice Mr. Gramm’s naked expression of the mind-set he’d bring to a McCain White House. And few journalists have vetted the presumptive Treasury secretary’s post-Senate history as an executive at UBS. The stock of that banking giant has lost 70 percent of its value in a year after its reckless adventures in the subprime lending market. It’s now fending off federal investigation for helping the megarich avoid taxes.

Mr. McCain made a big show of banishing Mr. Gramm after his whining “gaffe,” but it’s surely at most a temporary suspension. When the candidate said back in January that there’s nobody he knows who is stronger on economic issues than his old Senate pal, he was telling the truth. Left to his own devices — or those of his new No. 1 economic surrogate, Carly Fiorina — Mr. McCain is clueless. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger, a supporter, said that Mr. McCain’s latest panacea for high gas prices, offshore drilling, is snake oil — and then announced his availability to serve as energy czar in an Obama administration.

The term flip-flopping doesn’t do justice to Mr. McCain’s self-contradictory economic pronouncements because that implies there’s some rational, if hypocritical, logic at work. What he serves up instead is plain old incoherence, as if he were compulsively consulting one of those old Magic 8 Balls. In a single 24-hour period in April, Mr. McCain went from saying there’s been “great economic progress” during the Bush presidency to saying “Americans are not better off than they were eight years ago.” He reversed his initial condemnation of mortgage bailouts in just two weeks.

In February Mr. McCain said he would balance the federal budget by the end of his first term even while extending the gargantuan Bush tax cuts. In April he said he’d accomplish this by the end of his second term. In July he’s again saying he’ll do it in his first term. Why not just say he’ll do it on Inauguration Day? It really doesn’t matter since he’s never supplied real numbers that would give this promise even a patina of credibility.

Mr. McCain’s plan for Social Security reform is “along the lines that President Bush proposed.” Or so he said in March. He came out against such “privatization” in June (though his policy descriptions still support it). Last week he indicated he isn’t completely clear on what Social Security does. He called the program’s premise — young taxpayers foot the bill for their elders (including him) — an “absolute disgrace.”

Given that Mr. McCain’s sole private-sector job was a fleeting stint in public relations at his father-in-law’s beer distributorship, he comes by his economic ignorance honestly. But there’s no A team aboard the Straight Talk Express to fill him in. His campaign economist, the former Bush adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin, could be found in the June 5 issue of American Banker suggesting even at that late date that we still don’t know “the depth of the housing crisis” and proposing that “monitoring is the right thing to do in these circumstances.”

Ms. Fiorina, the ubiquitous new public face of McCain economic policy, adds nothing to the mix beyond her incessant display of corporate jargon, from “trend lines” to “start-ups.” Before she was fired at Hewlett-Packard, its stock had declined 50 percent during her five-plus years in charge. She missed earning projections — by 23 percent in one quarter — much as she now misrepresents both the Obama and McCain records. This month she said Mr. McCain wanted to require insurance plans to cover birth control medications along with Viagra, when in fact he had voted against it.

Ms. Fiorina received a $42 million payout (half in cash) from H.P., according to a shareholders’ subsequent lawsuit. With this inspiring résumé, she now aspires to be Mr. McCain’s running mate. So does the irrepressible Mitt Romney, who actually was a business whiz before serving as Massachusetts’s governor. Beltway wisdom has it that the addition of such a corporate star will remedy Mr. McCain’s fiscal flatulence.

But Mr. Romney, while more plausible than Ms. Fiorina, is hardly what America wants at this desperate time. His leveraged buyout dealings as co-founder of Bain Capital induced plant closings, mass layoffs and outsourcing. If Mr. McCain truly intends to “put our country’s interests” above politics and reach across the aisle to move the nation forward, as he constantly tells us, why not go for a vice president who’s the very best fit for the huge challenges at hand?

The obvious choice would be Michael Bloomberg — who, as a former Republican turned independent, would necessitate that Mr. McCain reach only halfway across the aisle, and to someone who is his friend rather than a vanquished rival he is learning to tolerate.

Romney vs. Bloomberg is not a close contest. Bloomberg L.P. has roughly three times the revenues and employees of Bain & Company, where Mr. Romney ultimately served as chief executive. Mr. Romney rescued the Salt Lake City Olympics while running it in 2002, but Mayor Bloomberg revitalized New York, the nation’s largest metropolis, after the most devastating attack in our history. The city he manages has more than twice the budget of Mr. Romney’s state.

Yes, Mr. Bloomberg is a closet Democrat and an alpha dog who doesn’t want to be a second banana. And his views on gay civil rights and abortion would roil the G.O.P. base. But Mr. Romney shared some of those same views before he flip-flopped, and besides, these are not ordinary times. Millions of Americans are losing their homes and jobs. Whole industries are going belly up. The national crisis at hand, not yesterday’s culture wars, should drive the vice-presidential pick.

Mr. McCain reminds us every day how principled he is. That presumably means he’d risk a revolt by his party’s dwindling agents of intolerance and do everything in his power to persuade Mr. Bloomberg to join his ticket in the spirit of patriotic sacrifice. The politics could be advantageous too. A Bloomberg surprise could impress independents and keep the television audience tuned in to a G.O.P. convention that will unfold in the shadow of Mr. Obama’s address to 75,000 screaming fans in Denver.

But this is fantasy political baseball, not reality. Mr. McCain, sad to say, hung up his old maverick’s spurs the day he embraced the Bush tax cuts he had once opposed as “too tilted to the wealthy.” And Mr. Bloomberg? It’s hard to picture a titan who built his empire on computer terminals investing any capital, political or otherwise, in a chief executive who is still learning how to do, as Mr. McCain puts it, “a Google.”

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2008, 10:53:26 AM »
HAHHA...DON'T GET UP TIGHT MOOOSEYBOY, AS SOON AS THE ECONOMY TANKS (WHICH WILL BE SOON) YOU WILL HAVE EVERYONE FROM THE MILITARY TO UN PEACE KEEPERS ON U.S. SOIL ROOTING OUT EVERY SCUM SUCKING LOWLIFE. AMERICA WILL BE HANDED OVER TO THE RUSSIANS, CHINESE, EUROPEANS AND ARABS WHO OWN THE WHOLE GOD DAMN PLACE ANYWAY. WITH SAUDIA ARABIA HAVING INVESTED 4 TRILLION DOLLARS IN AMERICA DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GONNA JUST SIT THERE AND WATCH THEIR MONEY DISAPPEAR???  HELL NO...THEY ARE COMING TO CLAIM WHAT THEY HAVE INVESTED IN. DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE ARE GOING TO WATCH THEIR TRILLIONS BLOW AWAY LIKE DUST...THEY ARE COMING TO CLAIM WHAT IS THEIRS...THE EUROS WHO CAN'T STAND WHITES IN AMERICA ANYWAY ARE COMING TO CLAIM THEIRS AND WILL HAVE WHITES IN FEMA CAMPS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT A PROBLEM YOU ARE AND THE RUSKIES ARE COMING TO CLAIM THEIRS. WHOLE AREAS WILL COME UNDER CONTROL OF FOREIGN NATIONS AND THEY WILL SET POLICY AND LAW AND UNLIKE AMERICA MILITARY AND COPS, THESE PEOPLE WILL HAVE NO AFFINITY FOR YOU AND WILL SHOOT ON DEMAND AND AT WILL.

YOU CAN FORGET YOUR SO CALLED MILITARY IN AMERICA...WITH NO MONEY, AND OIL CUT OFF AND MASSIVE DEBT AMERICA WILL HAVE NO POWER BUT TO SIT AND WATCH ITSELF TAKEN OVER AND TAKEN APART. FOR THE IDIOT WHO THINK THAT BECAUSE THEIR HOME IS PAID FOR OR BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN FAGVILLE HAMPTONS YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ONE THEY COME AFTER...SEIZING YOUR ASSETS, MONEY ETC FOR TEH SAKE OF AMERICA'S DEBT. DON'T GET COMFORTABLE IN YOUR HOME...IT WON'T BE YOURS FOR LONG. ALSO DO YOU THINK YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL SIT IDLY BY IN POVERTY AND WANT WHILE YOU SIT IN YOUR HOUSE AND EAT WELL??? HAHAH YO DON'T UNDERSTAND HUMAN PSYCHE AT ALL...YOUR LONG STANDING NEIGHBORS WILL BE THE FIRST TO ATTACK YOU FOR MONEY AND FOOD AND SHELTER....

I don't how you do or bother to try and get up every day.

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2008, 10:53:43 AM »
America is the greatest nation on Earth. I dare any fucking socialist, eurofag scumfuck to say otherwise to my face. I will beat them to death and then fuck them
damn you're one tough mofo

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2008, 11:10:25 AM »
The USA will be fine, barring some unseen event.

If some idiot overseas decides to shoot a missile into an enemy, things get very hairy here.  If Isr hits iran and the straits of hormuz get shut down, we lose 40% of the world's oil... and things get hairy here.

If nothing bad happens, we'll be okay.  If some unknown event outside our control occurs, well, there isn't a big safety net.

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2008, 11:35:20 AM »
HAHHA...DON'T GET UP TIGHT MOOOSEYBOY, AS SOON AS THE ECONOMY TANKS (WHICH WILL BE SOON) YOU WILL HAVE EVERYONE FROM THE MILITARY TO UN PEACE KEEPERS ON U.S. SOIL ROOTING OUT EVERY SCUM SUCKING LOWLIFE. AMERICA WILL BE HANDED OVER TO THE RUSSIANS, CHINESE, EUROPEANS AND ARABS WHO OWN THE WHOLE GOD DAMN PLACE ANYWAY. WITH SAUDIA ARABIA HAVING INVESTED 4 TRILLION DOLLARS IN AMERICA DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GONNA JUST SIT THERE AND WATCH THEIR MONEY DISAPPEAR???  HELL NO...THEY ARE COMING TO CLAIM WHAT THEY HAVE INVESTED IN. DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE ARE GOING TO WATCH THEIR TRILLIONS BLOW AWAY LIKE DUST...THEY ARE COMING TO CLAIM WHAT IS THEIRS...THE EUROS WHO CAN'T STAND WHITES IN AMERICA ANYWAY ARE COMING TO CLAIM THEIRS AND WILL HAVE WHITES IN FEMA CAMPS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT A PROBLEM YOU ARE AND THE RUSKIES ARE COMING TO CLAIM THEIRS. WHOLE AREAS WILL COME UNDER CONTROL OF FOREIGN NATIONS AND THEY WILL SET POLICY AND LAW AND UNLIKE AMERICA MILITARY AND COPS, THESE PEOPLE WILL HAVE NO AFFINITY FOR YOU AND WILL SHOOT ON DEMAND AND AT WILL.

YOU CAN FORGET YOUR SO CALLED MILITARY IN AMERICA...WITH NO MONEY, AND OIL CUT OFF AND MASSIVE DEBT AMERICA WILL HAVE NO POWER BUT TO SIT AND WATCH ITSELF TAKEN OVER AND TAKEN APART. FOR THE IDIOT WHO THINK THAT BECAUSE THEIR HOME IS PAID FOR OR BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN FAGVILLE HAMPTONS YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ONE THEY COME AFTER...SEIZING YOUR ASSETS, MONEY ETC FOR TEH SAKE OF AMERICA'S DEBT. DON'T GET COMFORTABLE IN YOUR HOME...IT WON'T BE YOURS FOR LONG. ALSO DO YOU THINK YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL SIT IDLY BY IN POVERTY AND WANT WHILE YOU SIT IN YOUR HOUSE AND EAT WELL??? HAHAH YO DON'T UNDERSTAND HUMAN PSYCHE AT ALL...YOUR LONG STANDING NEIGHBORS WILL BE THE FIRST TO ATTACK YOU FOR MONEY AND FOOD AND SHELTER....

You seem like the type who wants this type of scenario to play out so you'll feel smarter than everyone else.  While plausible, that's certainly the worst-worst case scenario I've heard.  I think the American people have a little more spine than you suggest...although most are fast asleep right now.  Don't underestimate the resolve of the American people just yet.

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2008, 11:39:55 AM »
Is China spending that on their people?

On their population control?

On their disgusting overcrowding or pollution crises?

You must leverage debt to build wealth.

If this number is so, do you think we just borrow and then burn the money?

This is how WE build wealth.

You must look at BOTH pos and neg sides of things.

Or not.

We're not expandering incase you hadn't noticed. Not exactly like government spending stimulating the economy or anything.

Quote some well know economist and not something vague out of Time Magazine.

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2008, 11:45:55 AM »
....is basically a 'confidence game'.

So, who, here, has the confidence?

I do!
Im working legs today thanks for wondering
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2008, 12:02:18 PM »
Im working legs KFC today thanks for wondering

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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2008, 12:05:07 PM »
You seem like the type who wants this type of scenario to play out so you'll feel smarter than everyone else.  While plausible, that's certainly the worst-worst case scenario I've heard.  I think the American people have a little more spine than you suggest...although most are fast asleep right now.  Don't underestimate the resolve of the American people just yet.

You possess all the arrogance expected of a good ole american...DENY EVERYTHING...Dream on...

I am not giving you MY expected scenario of what is to come...I am telling you what the financial forecasters have been saying for a while now. America is too many TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT to come out of this...NO NATION COULD COME OUT OF THIS FINANCIAL MESS.

Thanks to the greedy bastards that run america, the homosexual president, the cheney/halliburton financial waste connection, corporate greed/swindling...that everyone has to take the BLAME...AND NO ONE WILL BE UNSCATHED. Pay attention to the financial markets, listen to the remarks by everyone from Bernanke to Paulson to investment brokers etc... they are all saying the same thing...AMERICA IS IN DEEP TROUBLE, WITH NO WAY OUT. You can not have 77 TRILLION dollars floating around the world with nothing backing it, you can not borrow 100 BILLION PER MONTH FROM CHINA and claim yourself the richest nation on the planet, you can not have spent 3 TRILLION already on the so called war on terror (HAHAHAH) and not find yourself in financial ruin, you can not spend 1 TRILLION every year on bases around the world and domestically deprive the nation of even basic needs: health, education, jobs, insurance etc etc.

AMERICA IS OVER.....DENIAL WILL NOT MAKE IT BETTER.
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Re: Time Magazine says the economy....
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2008, 02:23:19 PM »
I'll still be on Lily Pond Lane in East Hampton NY. There isn't any rations here!

how can a chef afford that?

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« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2008, 02:53:15 PM »
We're not expandering incase you hadn't noticed. Not exactly like government spending stimulating the economy or anything.

Quote some well know economist and not something vague out of Time Magazine.

No.

"Some well known economist" will not pull my fat out of the fire

why should I quote one...to make myself feel smarter?

I said I quoted out of Time Mag

I tend to go on what I know, which has served me very well, for nearly 20 years in the stock market, and thru worse shit than this

whatever "this" is.

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« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2008, 02:54:14 PM »
You possess all the arrogance expected of a good ole american...DENY EVERYTHING...Dream on...

I am not giving you MY expected scenario of what is to come...I am telling you what the financial forecasters have been saying for a while now. America is too many TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT to come out of this...NO NATION COULD COME OUT OF THIS FINANCIAL MESS.

Thanks to the greedy bastards that run america, the homosexual president, the cheney/halliburton financial waste connection, corporate greed/swindling...that everyone has to take the BLAME...AND NO ONE WILL BE UNSCATHED. Pay attention to the financial markets, listen to the remarks by everyone from Bernanke to Paulson to investment brokers etc... they are all saying the same thing...AMERICA IS IN DEEP TROUBLE, WITH NO WAY OUT. You can not have 77 TRILLION dollars floating around the world with nothing backing it, you can not borrow 100 BILLION PER MONTH FROM CHINA and claim yourself the richest nation on the planet, you can not have spent 3 TRILLION already on the so called war on terror (HAHAHAH) and not find yourself in financial ruin, you can not spend 1 TRILLION every year on bases around the world and domestically deprive the nation of even basic needs: health, education, jobs, insurance etc etc.

AMERICA IS OVER.....DENIAL WILL NOT MAKE IT BETTER.

I was wrong.

Not 6th to 8th grade education

1st to 4th, this post proves it

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« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2008, 03:01:00 PM »

A property near me initially listed for over $3.5M in 2006.  By early 2007, when construction was complete, the list price was down to $3.1M.  It's currently listed at $2.5M and although lots of people have looked at it because it's 'pretty', they haven't gotten a single offer.

Although the builder still owns this one, some of the would-be neighbors in the area have had their properties foreclosed on before the homesites have even been prepared

They're trying to hold onto these overpriced showpieces, but I'd be surprised if anyone paid more than $1.5M for this one. 

An owner-occupied home a few blocks away that was priced at $1.6M back in January is now down to $800,000.  Compared to the original asking price, that's a good number, but based on where things are at right now, that one might be worth $600,000 today.

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« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2008, 03:05:54 PM »
No.

"Some well known economist" will not pull my fat out of the fire

why should I quote one...to make myself feel smarter?

I said I quoted out of Time Mag

I tend to go on what I know, which has served me very well, for nearly 20 years in the stock market, and thru worse shit than this

whatever "this" is.

I'm not enoucraging the dooms days nonsense. I am merely pointing out that things aren't so bright, so naturally we ought to panick somewhat. Everything bad has the potential to worsen with time and since there haven't been any bright spots for a year or so you can't blame people for being worried.

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« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2008, 03:08:03 PM »
I'm not enoucraging the dooms days nonsense. I am merely pointing out that things aren't so bright, so naturally we ought to panick somewhat. Everything bad has the potential to worsen with time and since there haven't been any bright spots for a year or so you can't blame people for being worried.

Never panic

the key is to stay calm

I don't blame 'em

but

worrying never helps!