arnold at olympia 80s

[Bix]

I can see why there were bitchy (read jealous) comments from the other bodybuilders that night, I mean here's a guy who only started training seriously for the competiton 6 months out (after being retired for 5 years) and he was still better than they were. It had to be a massive blow to their egos.
The fact that Mentzer took it as hard as he did and became disillusioned, and a little crazy just go's to show how delusional he was. He was lucky to get 5th, he should have never beaten Roger Walker or Dennis Tinerino.
I'm amazed that Arnold at about 80% of his best was still bigger than everyone, it was definitely his best conditioning though.

You are wrong, I believe it was only 5 weeks.

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[hazbin]

Haz, you give Arnold too much credit...... it was a contraversy that's for sure

i give Arnold tons of credit. not saying it was'nt controversial, just saying Arnold was playing head games and Mentzer fell for it. i remember waiting for the results of this contest, knowing Arnold was coming out of retirement. the biggest complaint wasn't if Arnold was the best, but was he HIS best. he was being compared to his prime.

i have the vhs of this contest (yep, i'm that old), and Mentzer was scared shitless on stage.  maybe it was politics, but then again, so is the movie business and everyone laughed their asses off at Arnold in his first few. he coulda wasted his life screaming they screwed him, but he studied and promoted himself and became the number 1 box office draw. the man has more will and self assuredness than anyone in history.

Robert Kennedy said if Arnold didn;t win, he would have trained his ass off and won every bb contest for the next 5 years.

[Pollux]

i have the vhs of this contest (yep, i'm that old), and Mentzer was scared shitless on stage. 

I have it on VHS and DVD as well. I'm not defending Mike, but there was no indication that Mike was "scared shitless" onstage on The Comeback OR The 1980 Mr. Olympia films.

[JohnnyVegas]

Damn, this is the BEST pic I have ever seen or Arnold at the 1980 Mr. O!

[Moosejay]

Damn, this is the BEST pic I have ever seen or Arnold at the 1980 Mr. O!

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smoke and 'mirrors'

[England_1]

Arnold's arms were nothing but biceps. No tris, and pitiful forearms in comparison. Legs akin to big bird as well. How people say he is the greatest bodybuilder of all time is dumbfounding.

[Moosejay]

Arnold's arms were nothing but biceps. No tris, and pitiful forearms in comparison. Legs akin to big bird as well. How people say he is the greatest bodybuilder of all time is dumbfounding.

SPIN, smoke and mirrors

thats how

[Pollux]

How people say he is the greatest bodybuilder of all time is dumbfounding.

Winning 7 times Mr. Olympia; 5 times Mr. Universe; Mr. World. Being awarded the IFBB Gold Order as the GREATEST bodybuilder of the 20th century. Winning poll after poll as being the GREATEST. Having thousands of fans the world over. His name symbolic to bodybuilding.

What's dumbfounding is you thinking otherwise! 

[Eric2]

What really amazes me is that anyone would not think Arnold was the greatest. This is obviously a generation gap. Much like how these young guys think that Mike Tyson was a greater champ than Ali.
   What Arnold had and has is the world by the balls. He was well known around the world for who he was well before his action movie career. I know of none other who could claim the same. I gaurantee you that there has never been a bodybuilder before or after who has done as much as Arnold has for the sport.
   Not only is he known for having the most pleasing and perfect physique in the world (Guiness book of world records) he also beat everyone he competed against. He lost to Frank Zane...came back and beat him he lost to Sergio....came back and beat him. He even competed against is lifetime idol(Reg Park) to secure his place as best in the world for his own mindset.
  I can remember the stir he created amongst young guys in the 70's after Pumping Iron came out. I went to the theatre to see it with some friends and I can remember my friends older brothers 18 years old or so, jaws dropped with shock at the sight of Arnold. I was only 7 but it stuck with me for sure, this was a look to have that muscle is awesome! He looked like he stepped out from a Comic book.

[njflex]

What really amazes me is that anyone would not think Arnold was the greatest. This is obviously a generation gap. Much like how these young guys think that Mike Tyson was a greater champ than Ali.
   What Arnold had and has is the world by the balls. He was well known around the world for who he was well before his action movie career. I know of none other who could claim the same. I gaurantee you that there has never been a bodybuilder before or after who has done as much as Arnold has for the sport.
   Not only is he known for having the most pleasing and perfect physique in the world (Guiness book of world records) he also beat everyone he competed against. He lost to Frank Zane...came back and beat him he lost to Sergio....came back and beat him. He even competed against is lifetime idol(Reg Park) to secure his place as best in the world for his own mindset.
  I can remember the stir he created amongst young guys in the 70's after Pumping Iron came out. I went to the theatre to see it with some friends and I can remember my friends older brothers 18 years old or so, jaws dropped with shock at the sight of Arnold. I was only 7 but it stuck with me for sure, this was a look to have that muscle is awesome! He looked like he stepped out from a Comic book.

AND A FULL HARDCORE MOVIE WITH TODAYS CROP WOULD NEVER EXIST,NOBODY CARES.ARNOLD HAD MAJOR CROSSOVER APPEAL BACK THAN AND TODAY,ICON.

[Moosejay]

What really amazes me is that anyone would not think Arnold was the greatest. This is obviously a generation gap. Much like how these young guys think that Mike Tyson was a greater champ than Ali.
   What Arnold had and has is the world by the balls. He was well known around the world for who he was well before his action movie career. I know of none other who could claim the same. I gaurantee you that there has never been a bodybuilder before or after who has done as much as Arnold has for the sport.
   Not only is he known for having the most pleasing and perfect physique in the world (Guiness book of world records) he also beat everyone he competed against. He lost to Frank Zane...came back and beat him he lost to Sergio....came back and beat him. He even competed against is lifetime idol(Reg Park) to secure his place as best in the world for his own mindset.
  I can remember the stir he created amongst young guys in the 70's after Pumping Iron came out. I went to the theatre to see it with some friends and I can remember my friends older brothers 18 years old or so, jaws dropped with shock at the sight of Arnold. I was only 7 but it stuck with me for sure, this was a look to have that muscle is awesome! He looked like he stepped out from a Comic book.

I don't think he ever got a second chance to best Chet Yorton

[elite_lifter]

Dave Mastorakis told me that Mike had once met Arnold in the parking lot of some restaurant in California a couple of years later. Mike slammed Arnold up against a car and Arnold did nothing in return.

Look who it is, are you and Howard staying away from those questionable websites?

[suckmymuscle]

  Was Arnold the greatest of all times? Maybe not, but a strong case can be made that, given the distance between him and his contemporaries, that he was, indeed, the greatest ever. This is like the old debate between who's greater in chess, if Fischer or Kasparov. The latter achieved a higher ELO rating and was World Champion for much longer, but Fischer had a far more crushing superiority over his rivals than Kasparov: Fischer defeated Spassky at the 1972 World Championship in a far more dominating fashon than Kasparov ever dominated Karpov, Anand and Kramnik - his three strongest competitors. So if Fischer had access to the current amount of chess knowledge, he would arguably have a higher ELO rating than Kasparov and would defeat Kasparov in his prime.

  A strong case can be made that no Mr.Olympia had the kind of dominance over the number two guy that Arnold had at the 1974 Olympia, not even Dorian at the 1995 Olympia or Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia. So going by this criteria, Arnold is the greatest ever. If he had access to current drugs and training knowledge, he would defeat a prime Dorian and Ronnie.


SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Moosejay]

Dave Mastorakis told me that Mike had once met Arnold in the parking lot of some restaurant in California a couple of years later. Mike slammed Arnold up against a car and Arnold did nothing in return.

Hmmm....tough to believe, on the East Coast I feel we would have heard of that, with Dave being from here.

On the other hand, its been maintained that Arnold would not fight /back down if he did not have any 'back up'.

[Moosejay]

 Was Arnold the greatest of all times? Maybe not, but a strong case can be made that, given the distance between him and his contemporaries, that he was, indeed, the greatest ever. This is like the old debate between who's greater in chess, if Fischer or Kasparov. The latter achieved a higher ELO rating and was World Champion for much longer, but Fischer had a far more crushing superiority over his rivals than Kasparov: Fischer defeated Spassky at the 1972 World Championship in a far more dominating fashon than Kasparov ever dominated Karpov, Anand and Kramnik - his three strongest competitors. So if Fischer had access to the current amount of chess knowledge, he would arguably have a higher ELO rating than Kasparov and would defeat Kasparov in his prime.

  A strong case can be made that no Mr.Olympia had the kind of dominance over the number two guy that Arnold had at the 1974 Olympia, not even Dorian at the 1995 Olympia or Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia. So going by this criteria, Arnold is the greatest ever. If he had access to current drugs and training knowledge, he would defeat a prime Dorian and Ronnie.


SUCKMYMUSCLE

Like trying to compare Jim Brown to Barry Sanders.

You can't, really

[QuakerOats]

Dave Mastorakis told me that Mike had once met Arnold in the parking lot of some restaurant in California a couple of years later. Mike slammed Arnold up against a car and Arnold did nothing in return.

another my girlfriend's brother's uncle's sister's cousin worked with a guy who did some plumbing work for a guy who lived down the street from a guy who knew Arnold story.

[Moosejay]

another my girlfriend's brother's uncle's sister's cousin worked with a guy who did some plumbing work for a guy who lived down the street from a guy who knew Arnold story.

No

He mentioned Dave Mastorakis

Great East Coast bb who was vg friends with mentzer

IF it came from him, it MAY be true

[Moosejay]

Dave Mastorakis told me that Mike had once met Arnold in the parking lot of some restaurant in California a couple of years later. Mike slammed Arnold up against a car and Arnold did nothing in return.

Another version may have been that Mike was drugged out, clumsily lashed out at A, and A felt sorry for him

alho I have a hard time with A feeling sorry for anybody

[knny187]

Arnold is the King

[Moosejay]

Arnold is the King

when all is said and done, this is truth

[knny187]

& don't you forget it

[hazbin]

Dave Mastorakis told me that Mike had once met Arnold in the parking lot of some restaurant in California a couple of years later. Mike slammed Arnold up against a car and Arnold did nothing in return.

too bad there was no UFC  back then cause the way guys are talking Mentzer would have been better suited to that than to bodybuilding

[_bruce_]

Arnold's strength was Mentzer's weakness.

[Moosejay]

Arnold's strength was Mentzer's weakness.

And vice versa?