What is your opinion on welfare?

[danielson]

Personally I think that if you can't feed them, don't breed them. I don't think anyone who is capable of working should be given free money, ever. Opinions?

[240 is Back]

A necessary evil. 

If you limit welfare to 'we will only give you $ for the first two kids', you'll see their reproduciton numbers dorp.

if you wnd it completely, crime will increase significantly.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Every civilized, wealthy country has a safety net.  Problem is our welfare system breeds laziness.  Welfare should be like unemployment.  After a certain time you're cut off.  Especially if you have another kid while on it and shit like that. 

[Cap]

Every civilized, wealthy country has a safety net.  Problem is our welfare system breeds laziness.  Welfare should be like unemployment.  After a certain time you're cut off.  Especially if you have another kid while on it and shit like that. 

Only in a perfect world.  Think of the billions we waste when McD's is hiring right around the corner.  All those people would rather be bums than work.

[tonymctones]

Every civilized, wealthy country has a safety net.  Problem is our welfare system breeds laziness.  Welfare should be like unemployment.  After a certain time you're cut off.  Especially if you have another kid while on it and shit like that. 

good point

Only in a perfect world.  Think of the billions we waste when McD's is hiring right around the corner.  All those people would rather be bums than work.

good point as well, its not hard to find a job it may be somewhat hard to find a career that you want to do for the rest of your life but a job to pay the bills until you find a career NO...My brothers first job in high school was at a pizza place he walked 2 miles each way to work that job, if you want to work you can find work...PLAIN AND FUKING SIMPLE.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Only in a perfect world.  Think of the billions we waste when McD's is hiring right around the corner.  All those people would rather be bums than work.

I said there should be limitations.  But hard times can befall the best of us.  Do poor lazy bastards take advantage of the system?  Of course.  But we need to fix the system not do away with welfare altogether.

[youandme]

Welfare should be like unemployment.   

That was it's intentions 

But we all know how that has worked out.

[Cap]

I said there should be limitations.  But hard times can befall the best of us.  Do poor lazy bastards take advantage of the system?  Of course.  But we need to fix the system not do away with welfare altogether.

I said in a perfect world.  There should be a strict limitation but that will never fly with the Dems, rednecks and Mexicans popping out 10 babies, and the blacks who would  rather drink 40's on their porches all day long.

Yeah, like TonyM said, you may not find a lasting career but I know people who would rather work 3 shit jobs at one time rather than go on welfare.  Many people who go on welfare are inherently lazy pieces of shit and that is sad.  They should treat it like unemployment and make you find a job.  I've read a few books about how people abuse the system and it is pathetic.

[Slapper]

Personally I think that if you can't feed them, don't breed them. I don't think anyone who is capable of working should be given free money[...]

Are you saying all welfare recipients have multiple children in order to collect welfare and not have to work? If not all, how many would you say fit your profile?

[OzmO]

Only in a perfect world.  Think of the billions we waste when McD's is hiring right around the corner.  All those people would rather be bums than work.

Interesting point.  Maybe Mickey Dee's should pay more and Welfare should be less.

[Purge_WTF]

  If someone can't work because of physical handicap, then so be it. But we seriously need to start cracking down on people who can work but don't. As 2 Thessalonians 3:10 says.....

[Cap]

Interesting point.  Maybe Mickey Dee's should pay more and Welfare should be less.

Maybe they should be forced to work (Taco Bell is hiring  ) and then the gov't cuts the payments in half, that would make a pretty drastic impact.  The problem is that you teach nothing in the way of work ethic by paying people to stay home and sit on their asses.

[OzmO]

Maybe they should be forced to work (Taco Bell is hiring  ) and then the gov't cuts the payments in half, that would make a pretty drastic impact.  The problem is that you teach nothing in the way of work ethic by paying people to stay home and sit on their asses.

I agree.  the system is really screwed up.  there are people however that really do need the help and are worthy of it.  The problem is there are too may people who abuse it.

Canadians that a i know are very resentful of the many people who take advantage of the socialist leaning government and sit on their ass and surrender to poverty and not work.

[Slapper]

If Welfare benefits American citizens I'm all for it. If it benefits someone else, NO!

[CQ]

I like our welfare system here, which can only work in a small place. It's really only for disabled folk, seniors etc. No able bodied people at all, and no people with fake disabilites - you have to be like half dead. Then once you get the welfare - they give tons of it, take good care and give a decent amount that folks can live of, as those ppl are like in wheelchairs etc.

Personally, I am a hardliner on welfare myself.

[Slapper]

I think the wisest thing to do would be to find out where most of the public money is being spent. Once we do that we can then bitch and moan about the one-legged/unemployed next door neighbor.

One thing though, after hearing about what the FED did to bail out Bear-Stearns it is becoming EMBARRASINGLY apparent that public money is flowing into private hands more and more every year.

But, guys, keep looking in the other direction, your next-door neighbor is the real enemy.

[Fury]

I think the wisest thing to do would be to find out where most of the public money is being spent. Once we do that we can then bitch and moan about the one-legged/unemployed next door neighbor.

One thing though, after hearing about what the FED did to bail out Bear-Stearns it is becoming EMBARRASINGLY apparent that public money is flowing into private hands more and more every year.

But, guys, keep looking in the other direction, your next-door neighbor is the real enemy.

Keeping Bear Sterns alive was a much better decision than letting it go insolvent. Learn something about economics, twat.

I'd rather they bail out a company like that than give that money to some minorities who would rather by FUBU with it than find a job.

[240 is Back]

Keeping Bear Sterns alive was a much better decision than letting it go insolvent. Learn something about economics, twat.

I'd rather they bail out a company like that than give that money to some minorities who would rather by FUBU with it than find a job.

They bailed out BS.

2 weeks later, freddy and fanny wanted bailed out.

Is there any doubt in your mind that in 2 more weeks, we'll have FOUR banks or mortgage houses begging for bailouts? 

[Fury]

They bailed out BS.

2 weeks later, freddy and fanny wanted bailed out.

Is there any doubt in your mind that in 2 more weeks, we'll have FOUR banks or mortgage houses begging for bailouts? 

Do you want to see the economy collapse? The start of the great depression was accelerated by bank runs. Once one went insolvent, everyone panicked and started drawing their funds out, even from banks that were very healthy. It's a chain reaction. Do you want to see that happen again?

[stormshadow]

Do you want to see the economy collapse? The start of the great depression was accelerated by bank runs. Once one went insolvent, everyone panicked and started drawing their funds out, even from banks that were very healthy. It's a chain reaction. Do you want to see that happen again?

NO Banks are "healthy"

Fractional Reserve Banking is legalized counterfeiting and fraud.

[Fury]

NO Banks are "healthy"

Fractional Reserve Banking is legalized counterfeiting and fraud.

Hahaha, let the big i-banks collapse and I'm sure everything would be fine and dandy. Only an idiot would assume that. Seeing FCs of that caliber collapse and go insolvent would make the economy even worse than it is now.

[240 is Back]

Do you want to see the economy collapse? The start of the great depression was accelerated by bank runs. Once one went insolvent, everyone panicked and started drawing their funds out, even from banks that were very healthy. It's a chain reaction. Do you want to see that happen again?

Of course not.  However, Bear stearns issued giant bonuses to their CEO and top brass right before asking for the bailout.  SEC is, well, kinda pissed about it.  White house didn't require them to return the bonuses.

We'll probably find in the coming days that Freddy and Fanny did the same thing - issued their yearly bonuses for the top guys, THEN asked for help.

It's abuse.  It's using the public treasury to fund priavte banking.  Not good.  Because every other industry will follow suit.

[Fury]

Of course not.  However, Bear stearns issued giant bonuses to their CEO and top brass right before asking for the bailout.  SEC is, well, kinda pissed about it.  White house didn't require them to return the bonuses.

We'll probably find in the coming days that Freddy and Fanny did the same thing - issued their yearly bonuses for the top guys, THEN asked for help.

It's abuse.  It's using the public treasury to fund priavte banking.  Not good.  Because every other industry will follow suit.

That bonus shit happens everywhere, not just banking. The CEO of Countrywide made a killing last year despite his company doing absolutely shiteously. CEO bonuses are fucked up, but it's not a reason to let the economy suffer by letting them go insolvent.

[Slapper]

Keeping Bear Sterns alive was a much better decision than letting it go insolvent. Learn something about economics, twat.

I'd rather they bail out a company like that than give that money to some minorities who would rather by FUBU with it than find a job.

Right, feeling sorry for a bank that has made billions and funneled most of it to a handful of leaches is OK. Giving a $ 500.00 check to your injured neighbor is not OK. You are a patriot for sure. 

Besides, no one bailed out BS. What happened was that JP Morgan wanted to buy BS and the FED "greased" the operation, mainly because JP Morgan reps have a seat at the FED.

Besides, why would you say that welfare is only applied to minorities? Are you that blind to reality?

[Slapper]

That bonus shit happens everywhere, not just banking. The CEO of Countrywide made a killing last year despite his company doing absolutely shiteously. CEO bonuses are fucked up, but it's not a reason to let the economy suffer by letting them go insolvent.

Well, that is exactly what fucks up the economy, the CEO bonuses. I mean, LAW # 1 of economics says that YOU MUST PRODUCE SOMETHING OF VALUE. In a market economy the sane thing to do is to reward those that create the most value. A CEO has never, does not, and will never create the value they get rewarded for. This is what's called a distorsion in the market. The second and by far BIGGEST distorsion is the government interfering in the market, which is supposed to be a FREE market.

I agree with you on some things, like I wouldn't mind bailing out an American company if the main beneficiaries were their American workforce. We all know they are not, so whether some rich fuckface loses 1 or 10 billion, I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT. FUCK HIM! In fact, get him a seat in the electric chair!