California bans trans fats in restaurants

[Hugo Chavez]

Ask.  I've heard restaurants say they don't use them, like McDonalds, etc.  If someone is concerned about it they should do their own research.  I'm sure you could find out by simply calling them.  Or you can just rely on the government to go around the country banning them at all restaurants.  Next up:  chitlins.    

LOL....  I guess you didn't read my post... For you to come at me with McDonalds in reply to my post that uses McConalds to tell you what has happened and why pretty much shows it... WTF is it with people not reading my shit... Am I that fucking boring

[Straw Man]

I don't know about you guys but I cook most of my own food using basic ingredients

trans fats are mostly used in packaged food to increase shelf life and can easily be avoided if it's disclosed on the package

people should educate themselves and the govt should stop wasting my $$$ regulating this shit

oh yeah - drugs should be legal too

all drugs

educate and let people make their own decision and only spend my tax $$$ enforcing real crimes

[Hugo Chavez]

and how fucking retarded... bb, the fucking fat slob who doesn't give a shit about their health, fine to go eat anywhere.  You're idea is the other guy who cares about what he eats has to call corporate before going out to eat   And for fucking what, to find out if they're putting poison in the food  

[Dos Equis]

Yes, how ridiculous.  You have to actually ask what they're putting in your food.  Oh Lord.  How onerous.     I mean, I don't eat meat and I NEVER ask them what they're putting in my food when I eat out.  It's just too hard.  I just eat whatever the heck they put in front of me.    

Next up:  hot dogs.   

[Straw Man]

Yes, how ridiculous.  You have to actually ask what they're putting in your food.  Oh Lord.  How onerous.     I mean, I don't eat meat and I NEVER ask them what they're putting my food when I eat out.  It's just too hard.  I just eat whatever the heck they put in front of me.    

Next up:  hot dogs.   

and drugs too

right?

[Hugo Chavez]

I don't know about you guys but I cook most of my own food using basic ingredients

trans fats are mostly used in packaged food to increase shelf life and can easily be avoided if it's disclosed on the package

people should educate themselves and the govt should stop wasting my $$$ regulating this shit

oh yeah - drugs should be legal too

all drugs

educate and let people make their own decision and only spend my tax $$$ enforcing real crimes

I don't know how basic you think your basic ingredients are but unless you're growing your own shit and raising your own livestock, the same logic applied with this argument can apply to you and your basic ingredients.  If it were not for fucking regulations, your shit would be laced with way more poisonous crap than it is now.  Corporate profits 101, you should take it.  I for one think it's a good thing to spend tax dollars on.  Can't imagine someone with kids who wouldn't give a shit.

[Straw Man]

I don't know how basic you think your basic ingredients are but unless you're growing your own shit and raising your own livestock, the same logic applied with this argument can apply to you and your basic ingredients.  If it were not for fucking regulations, your shit would be laced with a way more poison crap than it is now.  Corporate profits 101, you should take it.  I for one think it's a good thing to spend tax dollars on.  Can't imagine someone with kids who wouldn't give a shit.

I'm not agaist "regulations" per se - I just don't see how CA can regulate an ingredient that is not illegal.  I also don't agree with rent control and  a lot of other stuff that goes along the lines of restricting trade in that particular way.   

the same goes with drugs of all kinds

my meals today were typical but very basic stuff:  protein drinks (Beverly protein powder, yogurt, bananas, honey, water) and meals with ground turkey or ground buffalo mixed with steamed green cauliflower, brown rice ,olive oil, salt/pepper

no trans fats

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm not agaist "regulations" per se - I just don't see how CA can regulate an ingredient that is not illegal.  I also don't agree with rent control and  a lot of other stuff that goes along the lines of restricting trade in that particular way.   

the same goes with drugs of all kinds

my meals today were typical but very basic stuff:  protein drinks (Beverly protein powder, yogurt, bananas, honey, water) and meals with ground turkey or ground buffalo mixed with steamed green cauliflower, brown rice ,olive oil, salt/pepper

no trans fats

I just miss the day you could go out and get a good burger and fries without worring about the poison in it that should be illegal.  We clearly live in a time where the corporations make the rules.  Here's a case where so much shit against transfats built up and the corprations still had their way, I'm sure bought.  If we're to this point, it's no doubt because of that.  Someone had to call BS.  Thank god NY and CA had the balls to stand up where the system failed.

[MB_722]

I just miss the day you could go out and get a good burger and fries without worring about the poison in it that should be illegal. 

Yes. Something so simple is so hard to find.



How often are foods tested for trans fats after the ban?

[Hugo Chavez]

what are we saying here.  Yes, the crap is poison but if you don't like it, it's your duty to educate yourself and eat around it?  Like I said before, there was no signs advertising before NY took the first step.  I'm sorry, but when something is 100% bad, I don't have a problem with it being regulated.  That's the kind of shit I expect tax dollars to be spent on.  I don't think anyone can show a plus for transfats beyond corporate profits.  You have to admit, we live in an era where the corporations are writing the rules.  Today, you'd have a hard time getting DDT banned.  So where the system is failing, you're having a few states say fuck that.  Well fucking good for them.  I don't see in these cases where there is an abuse.  I see where they are correcting a failure.

[Straw Man]

I just miss the day you could go out and get a good burger and fries without worring about the poison in it that should be illegal.  We clearly live in a time where the corporations make the rules.  Here's a case where so much shit against transfats built up and the corprations still had their way, I'm sure bought.  If we're to this point, it's no doubt because of that.  Someone had to call BS.  Thank god NY and CA had the balls to stand up where the system failed.

dude if that's all you've got to worry about then praise allah and jesus

you don't have to eat trans fats or anything else you don't want to eat

you can easily construct a diet of basic foods and there are a lot of hippies and liberal types who will sell you really good food

btw - you also don't have to smoke cigarettes, or pot, crack, meth or whatever else people are smoking these days

but if you want to do any of those things I really don't care

[Hugo Chavez]

Yes. Something so simple is so hard to find. Unless you make it at home. Who wants to make it at home all the time.


How often are foods tested for trans fats after the ban?

I don't know but they must have worried about it because it was not until NY banned it that you started to see all the companies advertise "no trans fats"  I assume it's because it's such a big market that they can't lose it and they can't make two separate products so they take it and run with it as a positive.  After NY did that, you started seeing all these banners, "No more trans fats"  Word of caution, everything has been so deregulated to the max that it's easy to go in and pick up a box of cereal or whatever that says it has no trans fats and look at the label and see that it actually does.  I kid you not.  I guess they figure who's going to bust them and true, when was the last time any of these guys got their asses fined off for something like that.  Probably doesn't happen much.  A few years back I watched some investigative program.  They were talking about something like 30 people dying a year from eating cerial and dried fruit.  There was a preservative they were using which is actually illegal but they don't give a shit because it's not enforced.  apparently some people have a very harsh reaction to it but the number is small enough they don't care and nobody comes around to pass out the fines for using it.

[Hugo Chavez]

dude if that's all you've got to worry about then praise allah and jesus

you don't have to eat trans fats or anything else you don't want to eat

you can easily construct a diet of basic foods and there are a lot of hippies and liberal types who will sell you really good food

btw - you also don't have to smoke cigarettes, or pot, crack, meth or whatever else people are smoking these days

but if you want to do any of those things I really don't care

gotta disagree.  This is not a daily option for everyone.  Again, like I said before, not everyone has the budget to get all their stuff from whole foods and you are incredibly naive if you think the basic ingredients you're getting from the local store are not subject to some of the same issues, maybe not transfats but something else that should not be there.  Your rice, your grains and especially the meat you buy!!!  Are you actually spending 8 bucks a pound for your chicken?  You said you're not against regulations... well if you don't see that regulations and that whole business has failed miserably... And would we even be here if it wasn't failing?  Hell no...  They would have said long ago that this this isn't cool and set regulation.  NY and CA are in this spot because of the failure.  It's pretty fucked up to say it's your own fault for not being aware of the poison you just purchased and ate.

[Straw Man]

dude - are you nuts?

my food is fine and if I had to write a list about the stuff I'm worried about I can promise you that tran-fats would not even be on the list

check out what's going on in my state:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/23/BAFJ11UH46.DTL&tsp=1

[Hugo Chavez]

dude - are you nuts?

my food is fine and if I had to write a list about the stuff I'm worried about I can promise you that tran-fats would not even be on the list

check out what's going on in my state:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/23/BAFJ11UH46.DTL&tsp=1

tell that to the people who have tumors from the shit.

[Straw Man]

tell that to the people who have tumors from the shit.

are you still referring to trans fats?

aren't they mostly linked to cholesterol and coronary artery disease?

if you give me their names/numbers I'll give them a call

[Hugo Chavez]

are you still referring to trans fats?

aren't they mostly linked to cholesterol and coronary artery disease?

if you give me their names/numbers I'll give them a call

maybe you want to address the rest of what I said, seems like your "ah ha" falls short.

[Straw Man]

maybe you want to address the rest of what I said, seems like your "ah ha" falls short.

ok I went back and re-read your scattered rant.  Look, I'm all for getting chemicals and other crap out of food but I also think people should take personal responsibility with their health and diet.   Also, the government can make all the regulations they want but if there is no enforcement (which is a problem from local all the way up to the Federal government) then it's really pointless.

[OzmO]

I still think it's a good idea.   At the very least they should force restaurants to notify the patrons they use trans-fat.

[Straw Man]

I still think it's a good idea.   At the very least they should force restaurants to notify the patrons they use trans-fat.

I'm fine with more disclosure

[OzmO]

I'm fine with more disclosure

Actually, if you think about it, that will force them not to use it.

I like that better.