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Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« on: July 30, 2008, 12:58:20 AM »


why hasn't this been mentioned anywhere?

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2008, 01:03:42 AM »
Because it isn't newsworthy.  I made it through about 2 minutes.  That old man needs to hang it up already.  He must need the money.   ::)

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2008, 01:09:13 AM »
so fucking an intern is newsworthy?

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2008, 01:15:46 AM »
If you're talking about Clinton being impeached for lying under oath, yes, that is newsworthy.  But that has nothing to do with Bugliosi's absurd argument. 

When we have more than a dufus who claims to have seen an alien spaceship calling for impeachment and a washed up former prosecutor accusing the president of murder, then it might be newsworthy.  But for now, this is as newsworthy as the Clinton Chronicles. 

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2008, 01:22:20 AM »
i got this guys book, he hates Oj simpson and claims he would have outsmarted johnnie cochran if was on the prosecutions team

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 01:27:36 AM »
He is right about Simpson.  Wrong about Bush. 

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2008, 05:48:14 AM »
Because it isn't newsworthy.  I made it through about 2 minutes.  That old man needs to hang it up already.  He must need the money.   ::)
"Old man"?  For a moment, I thought you were confusing Bugliosi with McCain.

This "old man" makes an extremely credible argument for holding Bush et al. accountable for murder.

This is expected.  I have yet to see any credible rebuttal of Bugliosi's charges against Bush.

So the next best thing for his opponents, is to dismiss him outright with acid barbs.

Bugliosi is not washed up.  He's retired.

Read his book and tell me how absurd and washed up this man is. 

In one respect it is easy you know.  Bush lied repeatedly about Iraq's WMDs, Al Qaeda ties, and imminency of threat to the US.

Those lies were used to push this country to war (false pretenses).  He lied to Congress and the American People.

He sent soldiers to their deaths b/c of his lies.

I can show you a long list of the lies if you like.

Did you ever wonder, Beach Bum, why Bush's lies about Iraq's threat to the US ALWAYS increased the perception of that alleged threat?

If Bush was relying just on the intel, why was it always one-sided in favor of war?

Never, not once, did the Bush administration ever make statements contrary to "Iraq is a grave, unique, immediate threat."

Do you see that?

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2008, 05:52:36 AM »
When we have more than a dufus who claims to have seen an alien spaceship

You're just making up facts now.  He saw something he couldn't identify.  Could easily have been something manmade.  You say "alien spaceship" and people here wonder why you have to make up stuff to discredit Kucinich.  Do you have any facts about why his actions are wrong?  Or are you gonna stick with the "alien spaceship" thing you made up?

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2008, 05:59:15 AM »
You're just making up facts now.  He saw something he couldn't identify.  Could easily have been something manmade.  You say "alien spaceship" and people here wonder why you have to make up stuff to discredit Kucinich.  Do you have any facts about why his actions are wrong?  Or are you gonna stick with the "alien spaceship" thing you made up?
That's a standard diversion.

Do not address the point at hand.  Insult the speaker, dismiss the work/argument outright and move on.

I particularly like the "he needs the money" fantasy.  The book is the best way to disseminate information on a large scale.  God forbid the man gets paid for his work.  He should've used a bullhorn instead.

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2008, 07:09:53 AM »
Waste of more time & money.  Congress needs to deal with the painful issues that plague the country.  Get a comprehensive energy package passed, lift the ban on oil drilling, increase auto fuel standards, agree to invest more in nuclear, incentives for alternative energy.  Compromise & move forward.  Oh, and they never properly addressed boarder security yet either.  Get something done already!  These are issues they need to concentrate on right now.  Bush made some major errors but won't be impeached.  Stop wasting time and our tax $!  There are so many issues that congress seems to drag its feet on, its pathetic at times.

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2008, 07:18:15 AM »
Waste of more time & money.  Congress needs to deal with the painful issues that plague the country.  Get a comprehensive energy package passed, lift the ban on oil drilling, increase auto fuel standards, agree to invest more in nuclear, incentives for alternative energy.  Compromise & move forward.  Oh, and they never properly addressed boarder security yet either.  Get something done already!  These are issues they need to concentrate on right now.  Bush made some major errors but won't be impeached.  Stop wasting time and our tax $!  There are so many issues that congress seems to drag its feet on, its pathetic at times.
Ours is a wasteful throwaway society.

I don't mind wasting a little time on justice.

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2008, 07:24:52 AM »
I don't mind wasting a little time on justice.
You mean revenge, right?



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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2008, 07:46:13 AM »
You mean revenge, right?
Sometimes Justice may appear like revenge.  I would think that holding Bush accountable for his willing causation of the deaths of 4,000+ US soldiers under false pretenses might just lend itself to justice.

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2008, 09:11:32 AM »
If you're talking about Clinton being impeached for lying under oath, yes, that is newsworthy.  But that has nothing to do with Bugliosi's absurd argument. 

When we have more than a dufus who claims to have seen an alien spaceship calling for impeachment and a washed up former prosecutor accusing the president of murder, then it might be newsworthy.  But for now, this is as newsworthy as the Clinton Chronicles. 
well I guess you have that figured out nicely because you'll never get Bush and company to ever accept being placed under oath to answer for anything ::)

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2008, 09:22:49 AM »
Because it is an utter waste of time.  Liberals know Clinton was impeached, get over it!
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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2008, 09:25:56 AM »
Because it is an utter waste of time.  Liberals know Clinton was impeached, get over it!
You know Clinton was impeached as well.

Clinton's lie did not reach the level of perjury.  It was an inconsequential statement germane to a courtcase already dismissed.

Bush's lies and illegal attack of Iraq are misuses of presidential powers.

There's a big difference.

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2008, 09:28:12 AM »
You know Clinton was impeached as well.

Clinton's lie did not reach the level of perjury.  It was an inconsequential statement germane to a courtcase already dismissed.

Bush's lies and illegal attack of Iraq are misuses of presidential powers.

There's a big difference.

Why can't liberals impeach Bush then?  The problem liberals have is facing facts and presenting them as needed for impeachement.

Clinton was impeached, get over it!
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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2008, 09:40:36 AM »
Why can't liberals impeach Bush then?  The problem liberals have is facing facts and presenting them as needed for impeachement.

Clinton was impeached, get over it!
Yes, the republicans did the country a service and saved the constitutional integrity of our government with the impeachment of Clinton.  How sad it is that people can believe that.

The votes aren't there to impeach Bush.  Sycophants outnumber civilized senators enough to kill any vote on impeachment.

That's why Bugliosi recommends charging the president (and his accomplices) with murder after he leaves office.

The pseudo-judicial proceeding of impeachment won't work b/c of die-hard republicans that couldn't recognize the evil of the Bush administration if it bit them in the ass.

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2008, 10:00:01 AM »
Yes, the republicans did the country a service and saved the constitutional integrity of our government with the impeachment of Clinton.  How sad it is that people can believe that.

The votes aren't there to impeach Bush.  Sycophants outnumber civilized senators enough to kill any vote on impeachment.

That's why Bugliosi recommends charging the president (and his accomplices) with murder after he leaves office.

The pseudo-judicial proceeding of impeachment won't work b/c of die-hard republicans that couldn't recognize the evil of the Bush administration if it bit them in the ass.

How many innocent people died when Clinton Bombed Kosovo and Belgrade and puposefully bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade? 

Clinton bombed civilian targets in Belgrade and purposefully & bombed a passenger train in Serbia killing many innocent civilians. 

Clinton killed how many innocent people in Sudan hitting an aspirin making plant?  How about in Haiti?  Somolia? 

How guilty is Clinton for allowing terrorists to blow up 2 embassies in Africa, the World Trade Center, the Kobar Towers in Saudi?  How many Americans and innocent lives is Bill CLinton responsible for killing? 

Clinton's trial should be first according Left Wing Nuts jobs who share your opinion.
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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2008, 10:17:04 AM »
I'm no Bush fan and I did not vote for him, but wasn't it congress who approved the war?  Isn't congress the only one that can declare war?  Isn't it congress that funded and continues to fund the war?  And now they are saying "Bush made me do it", "Bush lied to me", "I just took Bush's word for it."?

Americans don't elect the President, right?  The Electoral College does.  Americans elect members of congress, correct?

If these members of congress are serious and honest about charging Bush with murder, shouldn't all the members of congress who voted to approve the war, to declare war, to fund and to continue to fund the war also turn themselves in, or at least resign?

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2008, 10:17:46 AM »
How many innocent people died when Clinton Bombed Kosovo and Belgrade and puposefully bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade? 

Clinton bombed civilian targets in Belgrade and purposefully & bombed a passenger train in Serbia killing many innocent civilians. 

Clinton killed how many innocent people in Sudan hitting an aspirin making plant?  How about in Haiti?  Somolia? 

How guilty is Clinton for allowing terrorists to blow up 2 embassies in Africa, the World Trade Center, the Kobar Towers in Saudi?  How many Americans and innocent lives is Bill CLinton responsible for killing? 

Clinton's trial should be first according Left Wing Nuts jobs who share your opinion.
Even if half of your allegations re Clinton are true and not rightwing spin, those incidents pale in comparison to the death, suffering and destruction Bush wrought with the illegal Iraq invasion.

100,000- 650,000 dead.  3-5 million displaced.  hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars wasted.  Untold amounts of property damage...

All b/c Bush attacked a country that was no threat to the USA.

Numbers like that get you a niche in the war crime tribunal....crimes against humanity, against the peace...and murder in our federal jurisdiction.

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2008, 10:24:29 AM »
I'm no Bush fan and I did not vote for him, but wasn't it congress who approved the war?  Isn't congress the only one that can declare war?  Isn't congress that funded and continues to fund the war?  And now they are saying "Bush made me do it", "Bush lied to me", "I just took Bush's word for it."?

Americans don't elect the President, right?  The Electoral College does.  Americans elect members of congress, correct?

If these members of congress are serious and honest about charging Bush with murder, shouldn't all the members of congress who voted to approve the war, to declare war, to fund and to continue to fund the war also turn themselves in, or at least resign?
You are pretty much on the money.

But the facts differ.

Congress never declared war on Iraq.

Bush's false pretenses to Congress and the American people on something as grave as war is criminal.  Should congress have done a better job of oversight?  Yes.  But that's entirely irrelevant to Bush's lying and ordering the illegal invasion of Iraq b/c it doesn't change the fact that Bush engaged in active fraud to get his war.

As for the Congress's continued funding of the war, that's a sad affair but it is irrelevant to Bush's active fraud to start the war in the first place.

Since Bush is the commander in chief of the military, only he could have ordered the invasion of Iraq.

He did so without reasonable cause or justification.

The Congress cannot authorize the president to break the law or to attack any country he wishes.  Even if we look at the Congressional approval of use of force against Iraq as license to invade Iraq, Bush cannot and did not show justification in ordering the attack.

Was the US attacked by Iraq?  No.

Was an Ally of the US attacked by Iraq?  No.

Was Iraq about to attack an Ally or the US?  No.

Was Iraq even preparing to attack the US or an Ally?  No.

So why did Bush order the attack of Iraq?

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2008, 10:28:25 AM »
Decker, thats BS.

The majority of congress agreed with the president to use force against Iraq at that time.  You and I may disagree with them but based on the intelligence gathered, the president & the congress made a decision.  I believe there was deception as well but that happens to some degree in any administration and in any war and crisis.  At least part of the decision was made based on documented intelligence our gov gathered.  So, then we should impeach the president, 2/3rds of congress, the CIA and intelligence committees (....may not be a bad idea actually)I stand strongly behind my assertion that this is a waste of time and waste of taxpayer $ which takes the emphasis off real issues they need to work on.  Bullshit like this and the baseball scandal with congressional input shows how inefficient and off base our gov can get...both parties!

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2008, 10:30:45 AM »
You are pretty much on the money.

But the facts differ.

Congress never declared war on Iraq.

Bush's false pretenses to Congress and the American people on something as grave as war is criminal.  Should congress have done a better job of oversight?  Yes.  But that's entirely irrelevant to Bush's lying and ordering the illegal invasion of Iraq b/c it doesn't change the fact that Bush engaged in active fraud to get his war.

As for the Congress's continued funding of the war, that's a sad affair but it is irrelevant to Bush's active fraud to start the war in the first place.

Since Bush is the commander in chief of the military, only he could have ordered the invasion of Iraq.

He did so without reasonable cause or justification.

The Congress cannot authorize the president to break the law or to attack any country he wishes.  Even if we look at the Congressional approval of use of force against Iraq as license to invade Iraq, Bush cannot and did not show justification in ordering the attack.

Was the US attacked by Iraq?  No.

Was an Ally of the US attacked by Iraq?  No.

Was Iraq about to attack an Ally or the US?  No.

Was Iraq even preparing to attack the US or an Ally?  No.

So why did Bush order the attack of Iraq?

Thanks for the reply, Decker!  I'm not saying Bush is innocent.   I'm just saying congress is not innocent either and all this impeachment stuff just looks political to me to help secure a Democratic victory.   Correct me if I'm wrong, but historically, every time a US President has been impeached, his party lost the following elections.

So if the President of the United States cannot declare war, how in the world was Bush able to declare war on Iraq?

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Re: Vincent Bugliosi: Impeach Bush Hearing (7-25-08) CSPAN
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2008, 10:38:47 AM »
Bullshit like this and the baseball scandal with congressional input shows how inefficient and off base our gov can get...both parties!

I don't believe this is bullshit. The baseball "scandal" LOL  ;D was bullshit and it received far more attention than this. Even the nba gambling thing had more attention. Stuff like this should be on peoples minds than stupid sports. Otherwise people don't care what their government does and brush it off as bullshit, like we've seen here. Then the next president and the next president can do whatever they want knowing they'll get away with it. That's not good.