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Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« on: August 01, 2008, 04:27:13 PM »
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Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.

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Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. Polls indicate these attacks have helped McCain gain ground on Obama.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.

"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage — I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

Asked about Obama's comment, McCain said, "We need oil drilling and we need it now offshore. He has consistently opposed it. He has opposed nuclear power. He has opposed reprocessing. He has opposed storage." The GOP candidate said Obama doesn't have a plan equal to the nation's energy challenges.

In Congress, both parties have fought bitterly over energy policy for weeks, with Republicans pressing for more domestic oil drilling and Democrats railing about oil company profits. Despite hundreds of hours of House and Senate floor debate, lawmakers will leave Washington for their five-week summer hiatus this week with an empty tank.

"The Republicans and the oil companies have been really beating the drums on drilling," Obama said in the Post interview. "And so we don't want gridlock. We want to get something done."

Later, Obama issued a written statement warmly welcoming a proposal sent to Senate leaders Friday by 10 senators — five from each party. Their proposal seeks to break the impasse over offshore oil development and is expected to be examined more closely in September after Congress returns from its summer recess.

The so-called Gang of 10 plan would lift drilling bans in the eastern Gulf of Mexico within 50 miles of Florida's beaches and in the South Atlantic off Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia, but only if a state agrees to the oil and gas development along its coast. The states would share in revenues from oil and gas development.

Drilling bans along the Pacific coast and the Northeast would remain in place under this compromise.

The plan also includes energy initiatives Obama has endorsed. "It would repeal tax breaks for oil companies so that we can invest billions in fuel-efficient cars, help our automakers re-tool, and make a genuine commitment to renewable sources of energy like wind power, solar power, and the next generation of clean, affordable biofuels," Obama noted.

"Like all compromises, it also includes steps that I haven't always supported," Obama conceded. "I remain skeptical that new offshore drilling will bring down gas prices in the short-term or significantly reduce our oil dependence in the long-term, though I do welcome the establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact."

Nevertheless, Obama said the plan, put forward by mostly moderates and conservatives led by Sens. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., "represents a good faith effort at a new bipartisan beginning."

Earlier in the day, Obama pushed for a windfall profits tax to fund $1,000 emergency rebate checks for consumers besieged by high energy costs, a counter to McCain's call for more offshore drilling.

The pitch for putting some of the economic burden of $4-a-gallon gasoline on the oil industry served a dual purpose for Obama: It allowed him to talk up an economic issue, seen by many as a strength for Democrats and a weakness for Republicans, and at the same time respond to criticism from McCain that Obama's opposition to offshore drilling leads to higher prices at the pump.

In linking McCain to the unpopular President Bush, Obama struck a theme from Ronald Reagan's successful 1980 campaign against President Jimmy Carter by asking a town-hall audience in St. Petersburg: "Do you think you are better off than you were four years ago or eight years ago? If you aren't better off, can you afford another four years?"

Obama primed the crowd by noting new government figures showing 51,000 jobs lost last month and citing 460,000 jobs lost over the last seven months. He tied other bad economic news from the Bush administration to McCain and offered his energy program as one route to relief.

"This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," Obama said during a two-day campaign swing in Florida. "It will be enough to cover the entire increase in your heating bills. Or you could use the rebate for any of your other bills, or even to pay down your own debt."


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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 04:31:07 PM »
ROTFLLLL

Did anybody catch his absurd energy plan?

Prior to this latest change of position he was opposed to drilling at ANWR and off shore drilling. He suggested Americans could save money by... and I quote making sure their cars have adaquateTune-ups, keeping your tires inflated and going green! - ( I am not making this up, check it out)

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 04:37:06 PM »
keeping your tires inflated and going green! - ( I am not making this up, check it out)

Yeah I heard that, my jaw dropped to the ground. When the week before he said that he said "Drilling now is only going to save a few cents for Americans in the future, it does not make sense"


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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 04:41:02 PM »
Ur fucking kidding me..................this guy wants it all both ways. McCains people should be making attack ads showing this dumbass flopping all over the place. This  was said because the dems realize their wrong and it has been rumored that a compromise bill was in the works...let me guess he's going to take credit for drill as well.
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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2008, 04:43:39 PM »
I really don't believ this shit. He's the biggest bandwagon jumper ever.
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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2008, 02:35:38 AM »
I really don't believ this shit. He's the biggest bandwagon jumper ever.

This is precious, ...especially coming from the one who was ALL for Hilary. Now that Hilary has LOST,
...you're jumping on McCain's bandwagon. Didn't she call for her supporters to support Obama?
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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2008, 07:12:49 AM »
I really don't believ this shit. He's the biggest bandwagon jumper ever.


I don't think you believe this, HH6.

They have both changed positions on most of the big issues.  If you'd like to see the mcCain 2000 campaign (or even his 2006 voting record) vs. 2007, I'm sure the list is out there.

Both men are "the biggest flipfloppers ever".

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2008, 07:37:34 AM »
Can someone here who supports offshore drilling tell me exactly what they expect the result will be

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2008, 07:39:52 AM »

Both men are "the biggest flipfloppers ever".

Bigger than "no nationbuilding" Bush?  ???

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2008, 10:58:37 AM »
Can someone here who supports offshore drilling tell me exactly what they expect the result will be

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when you drill, oil comes out of the ground, which increases supply, which lowers prices


hope this helps

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2008, 11:01:16 AM »
:-\

when you drill, oil comes out of the ground, which increases supply, which lowers prices


hope this helps

We import 70% of our oil.  Will new off shore drilling off set this?   doubt it.
 
IT may help stabilize the price over the next few years AFTER the 5-10 year period when we have enough platforms drilling.


It's a sucker issue.

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2008, 11:05:52 AM »

 
IT may help stabilize the price over the next few years AFTER the 5-10 year period when we have enough platforms drilling.


We said that 10 years ago, "it's a sucker issue"

better now, then never, and better now, in order to get the real ideas out of the lab and into the market place.

Pessimism, is a disease, and thwarts growth. Hopefully the only problem people have with this is the enviroment, and since we have not drilled offshore in 30 + years we have new technology that will help that. We already have a device that sucks up oil from the top of the water, and implant devices that monitor coral reefs.


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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2008, 11:17:28 AM »
We said that 10 years ago, "it's a sucker issue"

better now, then never, and better now, in order to get the real ideas out of the lab and into the market place.

Pessimism, is a disease, and thwarts growth. Hopefully the only problem people have with this is the enviroment, and since we have not drilled offshore in 30 + years we have new technology that will help that. We already have a device that sucks up oil from the top of the water, and implant devices that monitor coral reefs.



I have no problem drilling for oil off shore.   I have a problem with people being so stupid about it.

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2008, 12:01:27 PM »
:-\

when you drill, oil comes out of the ground, which increases supply, which lowers prices


hope this helps

Nope, that doesn't help at all

How does this tiny amount of oil that will show up 8+ years from now lower prices?

It will be a drop in the bucket and whenever it shows up it will be sold into the world market to the highest bidder just like it is today


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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2008, 01:08:31 PM »
We import 70% of our oil.  Will new off shore drilling off set this?   doubt it.
 
IT may help stabilize the price over the next few years AFTER the 5-10 year period when we have enough platforms drilling.


It's a sucker issue.


FALSE--> WE DO NOT IMPORT 70% OF OUR OIL

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2008, 01:25:34 PM »

FALSE--> WE DO NOT IMPORT 70% OF OUR OIL

I heard that stat on the TBoone Pickens ad (clearly has a vested interest in promoting the idea)

Is it BS? 

I don't have the data



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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2008, 01:33:15 PM »
70% of oil imports was said by Pickens and Al Gore.
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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2008, 01:42:35 PM »
70% of oil imports was said by Pickens and Al Gore.
Sandra

is it accurate?


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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2008, 01:59:18 PM »
Don't know, but If a lifetime oilman billionaire and Mr. "Go Green" nobel prize winner are on the same page about oil dependency, I would think they have people checking out the facts before they announce it publicly.

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2008, 02:08:56 PM »
Don't know, but If a lifetime oilman billionaire and Mr. "Go Green" nobel prize winner are on the same page about oil dependency, I would think they have people checking out the facts before they announce it publicly.

Sandra

so you're saying, based purely on an "appeal to authority" argument that you think it is true?

also, why do you keep writing Sandra?

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2008, 02:31:33 PM »
I'm no Obama fan but this is politics.

The republicans hang on to offshore drilling as if it were some magical lifeline.

Politics is the art of persuasion and compromise.

As president, for Obama to make progress with his platform he will have to meet the republicans 1/2 way on some of this shit including offshore drilling to some extent.

Why is that so hard to understand?

People expecting ideological purity from presidential candidates probably believe all women should be virgins until married...it's just not realistic.

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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2008, 03:02:35 PM »
so it's basically correct

they got us by balls in regard to oil

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2008, 03:21:08 PM »
so it's basically correct

they got us by balls in regard to oil

That's why off shore drilling is a good thing.  It's just not the be all that ends all,  in fact it will be years.....


And right now there are 68 millions acres already allotted for off shore drilling and some of it is being drilled.


It's a SUCKER issue for SUCKERS.

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Re: Obama shifts again: Offshore drilling "I may back it"
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2008, 03:35:42 PM »
That's why off shore drilling is a good thing.  It's just not the be all that ends all,  in fact it will be years.....


And right now there are 68 millions acres already allotted for off shore drilling and some of it is being drilled.


It's a SUCKER issue for SUCKERS.


it's good and it's also for suckers?

?