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sus vs. test e cycle
« on: August 02, 2008, 08:41:28 PM »
any benefit of one verse the other?  both 500mg x 12-14 weeks....
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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2008, 08:44:01 PM »
no difference at all .

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 08:48:33 PM »
ok, i read on steroidprofiles that sus will work faster and have less water retention....   

but it costs more of course!
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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2008, 08:50:06 PM »
the enanthate will stay in your system longer but the Sus will give you both the short acting and long acting test, but like Candy said there's not a whole lot of difference really.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 08:51:02 PM »
sustanon contains a small portion of short esters. so i guess in theory that means it might "go to work" a little bit faster. you still have to wait the duration of the longest ester to reach peak concentration. regardless of whatever short esters are contained.  

but esters dont influence the steroid their are attached to in any way shape or form. any one telling you about differences in esters is confused ignorant or just plain stupid.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 08:53:24 PM »
well, i'll just do test E, cheaper.
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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 08:54:34 PM »
well, i'll just do test E, cheaper.
use 750 of the test E, the good thing about enanthate is you should only need to pin yourself once a week.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2008, 08:59:18 PM »
good choice,

to me, sustanon is to steroids what abercrombie and fitch is to prep style clothing.  :D

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2008, 09:21:36 PM »
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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2008, 12:46:40 AM »
any benefit of one verse the other?  both 500mg x 12-14 weeks....

Simple.

Is it Pharmaceutical grade or UG?

I'll tak Organon Sustanon over any UG Test-E.

Unless you're getting some Pharmaceutical grade Test-E, this is a no-brainer.



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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2008, 09:26:56 AM »
both a pharm grade....
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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2008, 11:09:56 AM »
use 750 of the test E, the good thing about enanthate is you should only need to pin yourself once a week.

once a week, eh?

your knowledge and experience is shining thru, dave.

stick to the g and o, where people actually want to hear how little you know.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2008, 11:10:39 AM »
once a week, eh?

your knowledge and experience is shining thru, dave.

stick to the g and o, where people actually want to hear how little you know.


i agree with you, but youll have dissenters to that view point.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2008, 11:55:41 AM »
sustanon contains a small portion of short esters. so i guess in theory that means it might "go to work" a little bit faster. you still have to wait the duration of the longest ester to reach peak concentration. regardless of whatever short esters are contained.  

but esters dont influence the steroid their are attached to in any way shape or form. any one telling you about differences in esters is confused ignorant or just plain stupid. 

is it just me or does the ester added to boldenone make all the difference?  I KNOW that c17alkylation is not an ester but is it just me or does the entire steroid change depending on that?  and are you also implying that esters do not affect the potential effects and side effects of different hormones?  perfect example is testosterone e to prop.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2008, 12:43:10 PM »
once a week, eh?

your knowledge and experience is shining thru, dave.

stick to the g and o, where people actually want to hear how little you know.


not everybody is a drug addict/mega doser like you that has to take almost 2 grams of test a week to break 200 pounds. ::)

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2008, 12:55:03 PM »
not everybody is a drug addict/mega doser like you that has to take almost 2 grams of test a week to break 200 pounds. ::)

How do you know he's a drug addict?



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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2008, 12:58:10 PM »
How do you know he's a drug addict?



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he's admitted that the only way he can gain size is with drugs.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2008, 02:54:55 PM »
is it just me or does the ester added to boldenone make all the difference?  I KNOW that c17alkylation is not an ester but is it just me or does the entire steroid change depending on that?  and are you also implying that esters do not affect the potential effects and side effects of different hormones?  perfect example is testosterone e to prop.
the ester only effects the release time. a heavier weight makes it tougher to breakdown and release from the oil into the blood stream, but once it is borken down the ester is cleaved off and its all just testosterone.  the ester makes zero difference as far as how a steroid works physiologically. 

however, a shorter ester is related to more next-day-soreness. a long ester is related to more water retention.  but these are not related to physiological actions of the steroid itself.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2008, 03:27:11 PM »
he's admitted that the only way he can gain size is with drugs.

lol.

don't be so angry, dave.

fat people have alot of anger.

especially one's that reside in trailer parks it seems.



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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2008, 07:51:53 PM »
not everybody is a drug addict/mega doser like you that has to take almost 2 grams of test a week to break 200 pounds. ::)
Man you are nothing but a loser what the man does is his business and 200 pound could be respectable if its a quility 200 pound. Is this what you do all day is make fun of people, where is your picture, in case you haven't notice this is a steroind board so why say anything about his doasage especially if you weren't asked. Get lost.

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2008, 10:15:14 PM »
Man you are nothing but a loser what the man does is his business and 200 pound could be respectable if its a quility 200 pound. Is this what you do all day is make fun of people, where is your picture, in case you haven't notice this is a steroind board so why say anything about his doasage especially if you weren't asked. Get lost.

onetime- quaker oats is the kid you see in the gym with his friends. they are all 160 pounds and wear wife beaters and boardshorts and their ball caps on crooked with their mullets underneath and faces full of acne. they pile 205 on the flat bench while the group watches in unison as each takes turns doing upright rows while his buddy on the bench squirms and struggles in an attempt to squeeze out 3 reps.

they look at guys like us and think - i could look like that if i took roids. they watch their girls eyes when we walk by to see if they are checking us out. they are angry becuase they are weak and insignificant.

let us further mock and belittle this angry little boy. maybe he will leave this board and we can go back to discussing the topic at hand as adults who know about such things should.


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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2008, 10:27:44 PM »
Your right, him talking about steroids in a way like its some sort of magic potion  make me realize how little he knows, I don't have a problem with people that don't juice ,but I do have a problem with ones that think..." If I took this amount man I would look like Ronnie Coleman" delusional people that don't realize that you have to work hard to look good. Juice will only do its part if you do yours. Most people who actually switch over from being natural usually feel like ..."thats it, thats all I gained"

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2008, 07:21:49 PM »
Some where I found this artical and thought it was very interesting. IMO, I like Sust. always have. Less water retention, and it last longer.........but check this out: ands no I didn't do this cycle, enjoy.

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HOW TO CYCLE SUSTANON
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The Proper Way to Cycle SUSTANON (has been floating around for years)

One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benifit from the esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not recieve proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continually, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle.

All test is the same, but once only the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results from the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters:30mg of prop60mg of phenylprop60mg of knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Lets take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.

To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now lets look at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The decanoate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3.This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.

If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per
week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take
out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release
the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good,
and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only
relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in
a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I dont
even taper at the end (but that is a different story).

The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never
at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say
they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test
in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all.
So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First I would answer dont buy it.
If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones),
they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal.

If you dont believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they
got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna
build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesnt
like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the
least every other day." I usually get the "wholly shit, thats crazy!!!" answer. I usually
tell them back, no its not crazy, its science. The actual science of sus combined with a
bodybuilders needs equal injecting every day.

People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each
week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps
a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the
esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you
are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe
about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the
isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the
first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If
you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference.

Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with
the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and decca, or decca
and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading
with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it
many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest
a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained
relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like
night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first
cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the
virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every
ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna
cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed.




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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2008, 07:34:05 PM »
the guy who wrote that is an idiot.

he is nt correct about eod injects being the minimum because of the short esters

but other wise he is a fucking moron and i want to choke him for thnking i can write an article on steroids

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Re: sus vs. test e cycle
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2008, 07:40:35 PM »
i hope that I didn't ruffle any feathers, I thought it was very interesting.........