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Pre P.S.  BTW the electric car thing is BULL SHIT too.   It will take so much energy from power plants that now mostly burn coal to power these cars.   The EPA idiots didn't let us make nuclear power plants and now we're paying for it.

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Drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and on the Outer Continental Shelf could help lower gas prices quickly.
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It would take almost a decade before significant oil production could occur in either place, and even then it would have a marginal impact. Drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, for example, would only shave 4 cents off a gallon of gas by 2026, or $23 per year for the average driver, assuming that other conditions affecting gas prices remain the same. And that's at maximum benefit! Likewise, it would take many years for the oil from new offshore wells to go into production, and even at peak, the additional supply wouldn't reduce energy prices significantly. These numbers are all according to the U.S. government's own estimates. A June 2008 Congressional report makes it clear: "The argument that more drilling means lower gasoline prices ... there is simply no correlation between the two."

America could have plenty of oil and stop importing so much fuel from foreign countries if we were allowed to drill for it in our own backyards.
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Americans burn through 20 million barrels of oil a day -- accounting for 25 percent of the world's total consumption -- but government estimates show that we only have 2 percent of the world's oil reserves. As an example of how little difference drilling would make, say that we did open the Arctic Refuge for exploitation. It would take an estimated 50 years to drain the whole thing dry. During that time, the oil fields would likely produce less fuel than what our country now consumes in just six months. With so little of the world's oil supply and such high demand, even if we allowed drilling everywhere that the oil companies want to -- from the Arctic refuge to the American West to protected offshore areas -- there's still no way we could quench America's thirst for oil. We must embrace other solutions.


If we can't get the oil we need out of the Arctic Refuge, there's no good reason not to look for it offshore, as President Bush is urging.

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Congress first banned drilling on the Outer Continental Shelf in 1982, and for good reason: Offshore drilling is an enormously wasteful and dangerous means of energy production. Between 1981 and 2005, 187 large oil spills on the continental shelf dumped more than 2,100 gallons each into the Gulf of Mexico. Hurricanes Rita and Katrina alone resulted in 125 spills, totaling 685,000 gallons. Offshore drilling is also associated with air pollution and land degradation, and with seismic activity that has been shown to have profound, even fatal, effects on marine mammals. The ban was affirmed by executive orders signed by the first President Bush in 1990 and extended by President Clinton in 1998. Even the current President Bush supported the ban until the summer of 2008, when soaring gas prices exposed the failure of his oil-centric energy policy.

Billions of barrels of oil are just waiting to be tapped from oil shale in the American West and would help reduce prices at the pump right away.
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Along with efforts to drill offshore and in the Arctic Refuge, Big Oil is pushing federal agencies to turn over publicly owned wildlands in the American West for oil shale development. Oil shale is a rock found in precious wildlife habitat and undeveloped open spaces running through Wyoming, Utah and Colorado. It produces liquid petroleum when heated to extreme temperatures. Industry allies in Congress and the Bush administration propose rushing development of commercial oil shale production in the Western states, but this won’t provide relief for consumers. It will take almost a decade or more before essential research on potential technologies is completed and we know what their impact would be. But it would be even longer before significant production of oil shale could occur, assuming that a viable technology is developed. What's more, because oil shale will be far more costly to produce than conventional fuel, commercial oil shale development is not likely to reduce gas prices. But most significantly, the environmental impact of oil shale production would further deplete the West's scarce water resources, threaten precious wildlife habitat, increase air pollution and generate toxic waste from the conversion process. The costs to Western communities would be enormous.


The oil companies already have plenty of places where they could be drilling for oil other than the Arctic Refuge and the Outer Continental Shelf.
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It might be hard to believe, considering how much they're clamoring to drill on public lands, but oil companies already have plenty of resources available to them that they're not using. Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for development of public lands increased by 361 percent, according to a June 2008 Congressional report called "The Truth About America's Energy: Big Oil Stockpiles Supplies and Pockets Profits." In the last four years, the Bureau of Land Management has issued 10,000 more permits than have been used. That means the oil and gas companies are actually stockpiling extra permits, and that these companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres that are not in production. Oil companies haven't run out of land, as they're claiming -- they just want unfettered access to protected natural areas, and they're using the current crisis to try to get it.


We've heard all of these arguments for increased drilling before.
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In 2001, after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, some members of Congress called for immediate action to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. But even in that time of crisis and fear, cooler heads prevailed and Americans rejected the idea. They realized that the problem isn't just how much oil we import from foreign sources, it's how much we use overall. The first Bush administration acknowledged this fact in 1991 with a National Energy Strategy that said: "Popular opinion aside, our vulnerability to price shocks is not determined by how much oil we import." The No. 1 factor in our vulnerability, according to the Bush administration itself: "How oil dependent our economy is."


We could have solved this problem a long time ago if we had just taken action.
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Not, however, in the way that the oil companies and their cronies would like you to think. For many years, national security and energy experts, including NRDC, have urged the president and Congress to adopt a farsighted national energy policy that would move the United States away from our reliance on fossil fuels. In 2001, for example, an NRDC report on overcoming U.S. oil dependence urged "reducing demand for gasoline with better gas mileage, cleaner fuels from America's farms, and faster deployment of hybrid and fuel cell technologies." Those are the same arguments that NRDC and many other experts had been making for years -- and are still making today. It's time for the president and Congress to listen.


Sadly, there really is no short-term solution to high gas prices.
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Thank goodness, this one's not true. Yes, we need to make major changes in America's energy policy, but there are ways that you can make up for the government's neglect by taking matters into your own hands. In fact, studies show that energy efficiency measures are a lot more effective, over both the short and long term, than increased drilling, and they're good for both the environment and your wallet. Simple steps such as keeping your car engine in top shape and your tires properly inflated will yield significant savings over the long term and help you begin saving money right now. A new NRDC analysis of cars currently on the road shows that by driving smarter, keeping vehicles properly maintained, and using transportation alternatives one day per week, the average driver could save about $800 on gas per year





SUCKER ISSUE FOR SUCKERS


and Obama, a man after McCain's pandering heart, is offering up the same nipple to his suckers.

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It's a simple fact AMERICA is full of suckers.


THe government and the oil companies know this.   They will give you someone to blame.  The republicans have no intention on decreasing our dependency on oil.   AND the democrats have no intention of it either.

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New offshore drilling not a quick fix, analysts say
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President Bush and Republican presidential candidate John McCain have called this week for lifting a federal moratorium on offshore oil exploration, arguing that taking action to increase domestic oil supplies will help drive down prices.

But analysts say that renewed offshore drilling would have little impact on gas prices anytime soon.

It would take at least a decade for oil companies to obtain permits, procure equipment, and do the exploration necessary to get the oil out of the ground, most industry analysts say. And even then, they add, the amount of new oil produced would probably be too small to significantly affect world oil prices.

Some analysts point out that the wells the United States now depends on are being depleted, and that new exploration could at least help offset that decline in supply from existing wells.

Expanded offshore exploration also carries with it some environmental risks, from oil spills to destruction of habitat to vibrations that damage sea life, which environmentalists say could have catastrophic consequences that far outweigh any potential benefit from further offshore drilling. But other analysts say that improved technology means the risks are much smaller than a generation ago. In this view, a sensible compromise approach would be to make decisions on potential drilling sites on a case-by-case basis.

Americans' anger over $4-a-gallon gasoline apparently has prompted greater public support for renewed offshore drilling. A Gallup poll last month found that 57 percent of respondents favored such drilling while 41 percent were opposed. Democratic candidate Barack Obama supports the moratorium.

The debate over expanded oil exploration has always been polarizing
- recall the ferocity of the fight over whether to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - but some analysts are calling for a more moderate tone.

"Clearly, drilling is not the solution to our oil dependence, but any serious energy proposal has to be comprehensive and include more oil supply and production off the outer continental shelf," said Robbie Diamond, president and founder of Securing America's Future Energy, a nonpartisan group committed to reducing the nation's dependence on oil.

In the short term, oil prices could go down slightly if Congress lifts its moratorium on new offshore drilling, which has been in place since 1981, because the market would factor in the prospect of additional oil supplies later on. But the actual oil would not be produced for 10 to 12 years.

And in any case, increased American production from offshore drilling would not necessarily mean lower prices for American consumers because oil is a global commodity whose price is set by global supply and demand.

"Suppose the US produced all its oil domestically," said Robert Kaufmann, director of the Center for Energy and Environmental Studies at Boston University. "Do you think oil companies would sell oil to US consumers for one cent less than they could get from French consumers? No. Where oil comes from has no effect on price.

And there is not likely to be enough new American oil to make much of a difference, Kaufmann and others said. About 86 billion barrels of additional oil may lie offshore, according to the US government's Energy Information Administration. Of that amount, about 18 billion barrels are subject to the moratorium. Much of the rest lies in areas that are too expensive to exploit or that oil companies have not yet tapped for technical reasons, fueling the industry's desire for fresh territory.

"We're picking over bones," said Cathy Landry, a spokeswoman for the American Petroleum Institute. "If we had new acres, we could hypothetically make a big find. We need oil and natural gas in the future."

But in the best-case scenario, Kaufmann said, the United States could only produce an additional two to four million barrels of offshore oil a day - not enough to shift the global supply-demand balance in a world market that now consumes about 86 million barrels a day and is growing fast. About a quarter of that consumption now occurs in the United States.

Kaufmann said that by the time any additional offshore oil got to market, much of it would merely offset losses from the depletion of current oil fields. Meanwhile, oil producing nations can easily keep supply constant by limiting capacity if they know the United States is adding more.

"There's nothing on the supply side that we can really do to disrupt OPEC's ability to influence prices," he said.

Environmentalists argue that the pollution caused by drilling could compromise fragile ecosystems for very little economic benefit when the United States should be focusing on conservation - the cheapest barrel of oil, they like to say, is the one we don't have to buy - and developing better renewable energy sources.

They point to a number of environmental risks. Drilling fluids contain toxic chemicals. If oil is found, one of the waste products is briny water that also contains toxic chemicals. The noise from drilling could harm some sea animals, such as whales. And the oil would also have to be transported by pipeline or ship, creating its own environmental impacts. Then there is a risk of spills.

"Today we think offshore oil drilling could be the final straw in the unfolding collapse of New England fisheries," said Priscilla Brooks, director of the Ocean Conservation Project at the Conservation Law Foundation, which successfully fought a proposed drilling lease on Georges Bank in the late 1970s.

But Nancy Rabalais, executive director of the Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium and a scientist who has studied the effects of offshore oil production in the Gulf of Mexico, said that she believes expanding offshore oil exploration would not pose terrible risks to the environment because the effects are relatively contained, and the industry is well-regulated.

Henry Lee, who teaches energy policy at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, said he believes there is a middle ground. There is no panacea, he said, for solving America's energy problems, so it may be best to lift the prohibitions on offshore drilling, and carefully consider the oil potential and possible environmental costs in different locations on a case-by-case basis.

"Each side, I think, is not being reasonable about this," he said. "I want to do the analysis and figure out what the implications are."






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http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/OPINION07/807090315/1004/OPINION
Oil companies have lots of leases to drill

When you first hear the idea "let's allow offshore drilling and it will cut gas prices," it sounds like it makes sense, especially when gas is more than $4 a gallon. But the facts say otherwise.

The only way we can achieve energy and climate security in this country is to reduce our dependence on oil.

Unfortunately, President Bush and Sen. John McCain are trying to sell us on the oil companies' old argument that repealing the 27-year old moratorium on drilling in protected areas offshore will lower gas prices. Americans need to put this tired debate to rest. Our security -- both here at home and abroad -- depends on it.

First, the oil companies in this country now hold 7,000 leases to drill offshore, yet only 20 percent of those leases are producing oil. That is 68 million acres for which they already have the rights to drill. Nearly 80 percent of our offshore oil is already available for leasing -- approximately 54 billion barrels total. They could be drilling in these areas, but they are not.

Assuming oil companies drilled in new areas, it would take at least a decade for new production to begin. Just last week, the U.S. Energy Information Administration concluded new drilling would have no impact on oil prices before 2030.

Prices would still be determined by the world market, which will be adding billions of new consumers from growing economies in China, India and other countries.

OPEC countries control two- thirds of the world's oil reserves. If we add a bit more oil to the market, they can cut their own output to keep prices high.

Moreover, the majority of the world's oil is in unstable regions. Prices surge when officials threaten to attack Iran or raids shut down production in Nigeria.

Here in Delaware, we are paying $10 more a day for gas -- around $3,600 a year -- than we were seven years ago. That is a bite out of a family's budget.

During the same period, permits for new oil drilling leases increased by 361 percent. Put simply, allowing more drilling does not equal cheaper gas.

Instead, we should be talking about a cleaner, more fuel-efficient future. Oil companies have the money to make new investments. In the first quarter of this year, the five largest domestic oil companies made $37 billion in profits. Since 2001, the number is close to $600 billion.

We should take back tax breaks for big oil companies, which total more than $2 billion over 10 years, and invest in green energy technology. We should have a windfall profits tax to fund everything from mass transit to high-speed rail to the next generation of safe, efficient cars. Finally, we should restrict speculation and price-gouging, and stand up to OPEC's monopoly.

We need solutions of the future, not drilling ourselves deeper into dependence on oil.

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SUCKERS!


We should drill more off shore.   But live reality.

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ive heard from ppl in the industry that estimates are around 5 yrs...but at any rate i would think this would be common knowledge. At least drilling more in our own backyard is being proactive about the situation. We have sat with our thumbs up our asses for long enough and this would be a step in the right direction. No matter what we do there isnt a instant fix for the situation, even if a vehicle were to come out tomorrow that used no gas at all oil would still be a huge issue. People are locked in their vehicles for generally 5 yrs of payments and even if they own their car outright you really expect them to run out and buy another car? Oil will continue to be an issue for decades and we should do what we can to ween ourselves off middle east oil.

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Yes OzmO I like your plan of doing absolutely nothing better.  Maybe we can hope and pray for battery powered cars, trybrids, fuel cells, hydrogen, ethenol or solar.  Because investing in all of those while drilling offshore makes no sense and America is a bunch of Suckers.

You are better than that, nobody is saying it is an ends to a means just a relief of dependence on those have little interest in helping America.  You know, people of the world should want us to do this.  It means we won't have to invade Iran/Iraq and steal their oil for ourselves, like we aren't doing right now...you with me?

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Ozmo its your kind of stupidity that bill clinton followed 10 years ago, which is why we are not reaping the benefits of ANWR now. Also, your figures are totally and ridiculously off in terms of the savings for Americans and you miss the entire point of drilling there in the first place.

America ( believe it or not) only imports about 25% of its oil from the middle east ( and about 60 percent of its oil from other countries in TOTAL). If ANWR puts a significant dent in our dependence on terrorist oil, that means less money for the Arab Cockroaches funding our demise, hardly a "Sucker" position to take.

Also, based on the effect drilling in Alaska would have, the Arabs would LOWER the price of oil NOW, not in 10 years, to counteract the potential and actual loss of revenue that would result from losing the USA's business down the line. If the issue is supply and demand, and we use the most oil on earth , the demand is obviously present. Finding a new domestic supply would obviously reduce prices and if possible we could sell the oil to other countries which would also take money away from the Arabs.

I could elaborate further on the absurd positions you have posted, pasting a comment like this:

Sadly, there really is no short-term solution to high gas prices.
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Thank goodness, this one's not true. Yes, we need to make major changes in America's energy policy, but there are ways that you can make up for the government's neglect by taking matters into your own hands. In fact, studies show that energy efficiency measures are a lot more effective, over both the short and long term, than increased drilling, and they're good for both the environment and your wallet. Simple steps such as keeping your car engine in top shape and your tires properly inflated will yield significant savings over the long term and help you begin saving money right now. A new NRDC analysis of cars currently on the road shows that by driving smarter, keeping vehicles properly maintained, and using transportation alternatives one day per week, the average driver could save about $800 on gas per year


Leads me to believe it would be a waste of time. No more oil exploration, lets just keep those tires inflated and the cars tuned up and gas prices will drop! Brillant strategy.

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Ozmo its your kind of stupidity that bill clinton followed 10 years ago, which is why we are not reaping the benefits of ANWR now. Also, your figures are totally and ridiculously off in terms of the savings for Americans and you miss the entire point of drilling there in the first place.

America ( believe it or not) only imports about 25% of its oil from the middle east ( and about 60 percent of its oil from other countries in TOTAL). If ANWR puts a significant dent in our dependence on terrorist oil, that means less money for the Arab Cockroaches funding our demise, hardly a "Sucker" position to take.

Also, based on the effect drilling in Alaska would have, the Arabs would LOWER the price of oil NOW, not in 10 years, to counteract the potential and actual loss of revenue that would result from losing the USA's business down the line. If the issue is supply and demand, and we use the most oil on earth , the demand is obviously present. Finding a new domestic supply would obviously reduce prices and if possible we could sell the oil to other countries which would also take money away from the Arabs.

I could elaborate further on the absurd positions you have posted, pasting a comment like this:

Sadly, there really is no short-term solution to high gas prices.
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Thank goodness, this one's not true. Yes, we need to make major changes in America's energy policy, but there are ways that you can make up for the government's neglect by taking matters into your own hands. In fact, studies show that energy efficiency measures are a lot more effective, over both the short and long term, than increased drilling, and they're good for both the environment and your wallet. Simple steps such as keeping your car engine in top shape and your tires properly inflated will yield significant savings over the long term and help you begin saving money right now. A new NRDC analysis of cars currently on the road shows that by driving smarter, keeping vehicles properly maintained, and using transportation alternatives one day per week, the average driver could save about $800 on gas per year


Leads me to believe it would be a waste of time. No more oil exploration, lets just keep those tires inflated and the cars tuned up and gas prices will drop! Brillant strategy.


What actually more absurd is you thinking these are my figures. 

Perhaps you should learn how to use "links"  simply move you mouse to the blue colored text and click.

Then you can tell:  the Boston Globe, the NRDC, and some government agencies including congress there full of c(s)hit.

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ive heard from ppl in the industry that estimates are around 5 yrs...but at any rate i would think this would be common knowledge. At least drilling more in our own backyard is being proactive about the situation. We have sat with our thumbs up our asses for long enough and this would be a step in the right direction. No matter what we do there isnt a instant fix for the situation, even if a vehicle were to come out tomorrow that used no gas at all oil would still be a huge issue. People are locked in their vehicles for generally 5 yrs of payments and even if they own their car outright you really expect them to run out and buy another car? Oil will continue to be an issue for decades and we should do what we can to ween ourselves off middle east oil.

It's proactive but it won't do much.   Read the postings.

I agree with drilling.  But i live in reality in that i know it won't do a whole lot.

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Yes OzmO I like your plan of doing absolutely nothing better.  Maybe we can hope and pray for battery powered cars, trybrids, fuel cells, hydrogen, ethenol or solar.  Because investing in all of those while drilling offshore makes no sense and America is a bunch of Suckers.


Do you read the postings?   did you read what i had to say about electric cars?

Com on man.

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You are better than that, nobody is saying it is an ends to a means just a relief of dependence on those have little interest in helping America.  You know, people of the world should want us to do this.  It means we won't have to invade Iran/Iraq and steal their oil for ourselves, like we aren't doing right now...you with me?

I'm with you in regards to not going to war.

I'm with you in reducing our dependency on Foriegn oil

I'm with you in drilling off shore

BUT  we are SUCKERS to not see this as a sucker issue.  Drilling isn't going to do much of anything to our situation for years and even then it won't do much when do have thousands of platforms up.

SUCKER issue for SUCKERS

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Offshore drilling = this year's global warming.

An issue full of smoke, mirrors, and little actual relevance/effect upon us.

However, it'll mean BOTh candidates aren't answering Qs about the massive compiling debt, weakening dollar,


Also funny... repubs said obama was WRONG because he opposed drilling.
So he said he'd consider it.
Then repubs said he was WRONG to change positions.
he could save a busload of nuns from a tsunami and they'd complain that he did it while being black (or whatever other nonsense reasoning for shitting on him)

Of course, mccain used to oppose it too... but I haven't heard many repubs say anything baout mccain being WRONG.

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Offshore drilling = this year's global warming.



so true.

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Leads me to believe it would be a waste of time. No more oil exploration, lets just keep those tires inflated and the cars tuned up and gas prices will drop! Brillant strategy.


A great example of a person not understanding much and instead jumping to conclusions about things at the beckoning of his political programming.

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Leads me to believe it would be a waste of time. No more oil exploration, lets just keep those tires inflated and the cars tuned up and gas prices will drop! Brillant strategy.

Whoa...what if my tire pump is electric? Will it use up to much fossil fuels from the coal generated power plant?

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Do you read the postings?   did you read what i had to say about electric cars?

Com on man.

I'm with you in regards to not going to war.

I'm with you in reducing our dependency on Foriegn oil

I'm with you in drilling off shore

BUT  we are SUCKERS to not see this as a sucker issue.  Drilling isn't going to do much of anything to our situation for years and even then it won't do much when do have thousands of platforms up.

SUCKER issue for SUCKERS


Gotcha...but I think you have interpreted off shore drilling differently than I have.
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Gotcha...but I think you have interpreted off shore drilling differently than I have.

Ok  so then what about the 68 million already allotted, that's presently in the process of drilling?

My point is, the issue really is not about off shore drilling.  The point of BUSH's action is political.  To get people riled up.  To firm up support for the republican party.  To make his nipple whores go:  "GOD DAM DEMOCRATS!  they must want expensive gas and don't give a shit.  Dam those elitist bastards who teach their and they should be talking about the deficit, which is a record, since the previous one of 2004.

It's like arguing whether Aliens would be Patriot fans or Colt fans because they think Manning is gay.

Anyone knows Aliens hate the Pats.  :)

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To firm up support for the republican party.  To make his nipple whores go:  "GOD DAM DEMOCRATS!  they must want expensive gas and don't give a shit. 

It beats getting people fired up at the illusion of "CHANGE"

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It beats getting people fired up at the illusion of "CHANGE"

and say that too.   ;)

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ozmo is becoming very aware of the world.

methinks he's starting to realize the distractive nature of many of the issues.

is this true, oz?

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ozmo is becoming very aware of the world.

methinks he's starting to realize the distractive nature of many of the issues.

is this true, oz?

I'm becoming very aware of how stupid people can be and at just what level of sophistication a political propaganda machine operates; which in some ways isn't very high.  Also the "alleged liberal media" is biting hook line and sinker into this BULL (s)CHIT issue while they the deficit seems to come second to it.  But i don't know that for sure.  A study must done on leading news stories!  lol

I just know it's an obvious SUCKER issue for SUCKERS.   And you know what all suckers start out sucking right? 

I guess abortion is "yesterdays fashions."   :)

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Sadly, there really is no short-term solution to high gas prices.
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Thank goodness, this one's not true. Yes, we need to make major changes in America's energy policy, but there are ways that you can make up for the government's neglect by taking matters into your own hands. In fact, studies show that energy efficiency measures are a lot more effective, over both the short and long term, than increased drilling, and they're good for both the environment and your wallet. Simple steps such as keeping your car engine in top shape and your tires properly inflated will yield significant savings over the long term and help you begin saving money right now. A new NRDC analysis of cars currently on the road shows that by driving smarter, keeping vehicles properly maintained, and using transportation alternatives one day per week, the average driver could save about $800 on gas per year

SUCKER ISSUE FOR SUCKERS


I agree, it is a sucker issue for suckers. Just another distraction. There are plenty of people that aren't taken in by it though. They know that until such time that a sound energy policy is in place, the solution is really in their own hands.

They know the cavalry isn't coming, and that if it is to be, it is up to them to cowboy up and do it themselves.

I know alot of people that are being more energy efficient and seeing incredible results in a way that's good for both the environment and their wallets... just like the article suggests. By using combustion catalyst products they're able to get more miles per gallon, as well as reduce their consumption of fuel, and see their vehicle emissions reduced by up to 75% or more.

It's good for the economy, good for the environment, and good for the vehicles, ...it's a win/win solution all around.

They'll let the politicians bicker away, they'll let consumers who want to, continue to scream, gripe, and complain about pump prices. But with those who genuinely want to see some relief at the pump, and with those who genuinely want to reduce their fuel consumption, and help the environment, they will gladly share the solution they've found.

Rather than scream about the damn storm, we instead have positioned ourselves to dance in the rain 
...while letting the skeptics remain skeptics.

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I just know it's an obvious SUCKER issue for SUCKERS.   And you know what all suckers start out sucking right? 
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You are udderly ridiculous!


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I see you have toned up a bit, good job.