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Socialized Healthcare Exposed
« on: August 07, 2008, 04:43:02 PM »
Socialized Healthcare Exposed

UK -but this model MAY come to the USA if the socialised healthcare nuts get their way.

A kidney-cancer sufferer has effectively been told by the UK Health-Service that he cannot have life-extending drugs, because even though the Health Service accept the drugs could extend his life substantially, they are not in their view "cost effective".

That is really mean, as the man who paid taxes all his life, won't get to see his little one-year old daughter get much older.

It gets MUCH worse.  If this man sold his house or whatever to pay for the life-saving drugs, he would be booted-off ALL further treatment for his condition that the British Health Service was/would pay for. This is policy.

In other words, they decided he dies, and if he is resourceful enough to get the drugs they won't pay for, they will abandon him completely.

Don't let ANYONE tell you Socialized healthcare is good, it sucks, just use this example.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7544927.stm


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Re: Socialized Healthcare Exposed
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 05:48:32 PM »
Socialized Healthcare Exposed

UK -but this model MAY come to the USA if the socialised healthcare nuts get their way.

A kidney-cancer sufferer has effectively been told by the UK Health-Service that he cannot have life-extending drugs, because even though the Health Service accept the drugs could extend his life substantially, they are not in their view "cost effective".

That is really mean, as the man who paid taxes all his life, won't get to see his little one-year old daughter get much older.

It gets MUCH worse.  If this man sold his house or whatever to pay for the life-saving drugs, he would be booted-off ALL further treatment for his condition that the British Health Service was/would pay for. This is policy.

In other words, they decided he dies, and if he is resourceful enough to get the drugs they won't pay for, they will abandon him completely.

Don't let ANYONE tell you Socialized healthcare is good, it sucks, just use this example.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7544927.stm




That's terrible.  Has someone or some company come to their aid?


Something similar happened in the USA just recently.  In fact BeachBum posted an article (2 weeks or so ago) about a lady who was all set for critical brain surgery and the insurance company just minutes before the operation called the hospital up and cancel her insurance.  (her premiums were fully paid and everything).  so a TV station helped her raise the money to get it done.

So the moral of both stories are similar:   

Don't let ANYONE tell you Socialized healthcare is good, it sucks, just use this example.

and

Don't let ANYONE tell you privatized healthcare is good, it sucks, just use this example.

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 05:53:14 PM »
The average time that hospital emergency room patients wait to see a doctor has grown from about 38 minutes to almost an hour over the past decade, according to new federal statistics released Wednesday.
About 119 million visits were made to emergency rooms in 2006, according to new federal statistics.

About 119 million visits were made to emergency rooms in 2006, according to new federal statistics.

The increase is due to supply and demand, said Dr. Stephen Pitts, the lead author of the report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"There are more people arriving at the ERs. And there are fewer ERs," said Pitts, an associate professor of emergency medicine at Atlanta's Emory University.

Overall, about 119 million visits were made to emergency rooms in 2006, up from 90 million in 1996 -- a 32 percent increase.

Meanwhile, the number of hospital emergency departments dropped to fewer than 4,600, from nearly 4,900, according to American Hospital Association statistics.

Another reason for crowding is patients who are admitted to the hospital end up waiting in the ER because of the limited number of hospital beds, Pitts added.

The amount of time a patient waited before seeing a physician in an ER has been rising steadily, from 38 minutes in 1997, to 47 minutes in 2004, to 56 minutes in 2006.
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Pitts added that 56 minutes may be the average, but it's not typical: The average was skewed to nearly an hour because of some very long waits.

"Half of people had waiting times of 31 minutes or less," Pitts noted.

Researchers also found that there has not been any recent increases in the number of patients arriving by ambulance, or in the number of cases considered to be true emergencies.

Black patients visited emergency departments at twice the rate as whites in 2006. Among age groups, the highest visitation rates were for infants and elderly people aged 75 and older.
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About 40 percent of ER patients had private insurance, about 25 percent were covered by state programs for children and about 17 percent were covered by Medicare, the report found. About 17 percent were uninsured.

Some more findings: Summer and winter were the busiest times in ERs. And half of hospital admissions in 2006 came through emergency departments, up from 36 percent in 1996.

"The ER has become the front door to the hospital," said Pitts, a fellow at the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics.

The results are based on a national survey of 362 hospital emergency departments.






Only going to get worse with socialized healthcare.

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Re: Socialized Healthcare Exposed
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 06:01:00 PM »


Only going to get worse with socialized healthcare.

I agree.  It would be a disaster in America. 




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Re: Socialized Healthcare Exposed
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 06:14:23 AM »
Lots of low income, low educated people flood the ER.  Part of it is because they are too lazy to care for themselves, part cause they don't want to see a primary care doc regularly.  They wait till an emergency (or what they think is an emergency) and just go to the ER for the 'quick fix' (the answer for many people in our society...the quick fix, no work).  I used to see this all the time.  In my city, many of these people called EMS for the $600 ride, that is rarely paid for by them.  Complete misuse of emergency services and resources.  I have several friends who are EMS...tell me stories all the time.

Uninsured is a different story because they probably can't afford seeing their general doctor so they go to the ER, get billed, and don't pay and the hospitals and tax payers are stuck with the bill.  These are unfortunate realities.

I agree complete socialized healthcare is probably not the answer, but something must be done.

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Re: Socialized Healthcare Exposed
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 06:39:56 AM »
I agree socialism just doesn't work.