PS. ...If you're in the bodybuilding history section and haven't heard of Pat Neve then you are either 20 years old or aren't a true bodybuilding fan. Over 42 bodybuilding titles, world record bench press breaker, and well known throughout the entire bodybuilding circuit for over 40 years. Trained with Haney, Arnold, Zane, and Robby Robinson, ...along with probably a dozen others you haven't heard of. Not trying to be arrogant, but this isn't just some gym rat your talking to.