Author Topic: Mike Mentzer - 1980 Mr Olympia loss - Schwarzenegger wins! (Read 69044 times)

The Ugly · « **Reply #75 on:** October 23, 2013, 02:37:07 PM »

Quote from: Teutonic Knight on October 23, 2013, 02:29:08 PM

YES, he was , Vince & his mob really presented that plastic trophy to Dickerson

Ok, I see what you did. Sometimes I'm slow on the uptake.

hench · « **Reply #76 on:** October 23, 2013, 02:43:38 PM »

mentzer couldn't cope with this let alone the 70's arnold

NotMrAverage · « **Reply #77 on:** October 23, 2013, 03:31:31 PM »

If Arnold would have lost he would come back stronger than ever 81 and we would see the best arnold of any time in 81. that woulld be something to see would'nt it?

He was ok in 80 but we did never see his full potential. If kept on 10 years more...jesus!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #78 on:** October 23, 2013, 03:37:26 PM »

Quote from: hench on October 23, 2013, 02:43:38 PM

mentzer couldn't cope with this let alone the 70's arnold

QFT

People can argue all day long if Arnold shouldn't have won in 1980 the fact remains Mentzer wasn't beating him or winning the show

kimo · « **Reply #79 on:** December 02, 2013, 07:55:25 AM »

POOR MIKE . he should have beat a thin frank zane in 1980 . still HIT . DOES WORK . IN THOSE DAYS . NOBODY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO TRAIN . TRADITION AND IMITATION . was the rule . he mentzer wanted to put logical thinking in this . he was influenced by arthur jones . arnold had four of the judges as close friends . shwarzie was a bit of a megalomaniac .

hifrommike65 · « **Reply #80 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:05:38 AM »

Mike was an accident waiting to happen, & if it hadn't happened in 1980, it would have happened soon after anyway. Arnold's genius was sensing it at the show & pushing him until Mike brought himself down. Mike's best shape was behind him, as was Arnold's. Alternate history or no, Mike was heading down & Arnold was heading up in other directions.

JasonH · « **Reply #81 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:07:19 AM »

Didn't Mentzer come 5th at that show?

Arnold or not, he needed to beat three guys better than him.

kimo · « **Reply #82 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:11:55 AM »

mike arms and legs were amazing no less

ARNIE1947 · « **Reply #83 on:** December 02, 2013, 10:39:35 AM »

Quote from: hench on October 23, 2013, 02:43:38 PM

mentzer couldn't cope with this let alone the 70's arnold

Danimal77 · « **Reply #84 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:08:12 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 22, 2013, 06:43:34 PM

I'm getting ready to watch this Armageddon 1962 Alternate history show about WW3 and JFK on Military channel at 10pm.

It made me wonder... what would have happened if Arnold had LOST the 1980 Olympia, and Mentzer would have won it?

Would Arnold have experienced a downward spiral, despair? Would Mentzer have gone on to win a few Olympias, become a Hollywood star or world class guru?

Alternate history stories are so cool.

The bigger question is, even if Arnold won, why didn't Mentzer place 2nd? Was it politics?

Danimal77 · « **Reply #85 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:08:50 PM »

Quote from: beakdoctor on October 22, 2013, 07:39:51 PM

Well.....That means Franco would not have competed in 81 and Platz, Padilla, Dickerson and Callendar all would have wiped the floor with Mentzer and Mentzer would have placed 5th in 81 and gone on to meltdown anyway....

Or he would've won from 80 through 83, been happy with being a 4 time Mr O and lose to Haney with dignity.... Unlikely since he was falling out of favor with Weider...but still a nice thought.

Then there is Arnold, who would have internalized the loss, then tap into his obsession with winning and came back in 81 with his biggest most shredded physique yet and won easily. Which would've stalled his hollywood career and possibly been worse for the bodybuilding and fitness industry.

IMO, Platz was the clear winner in 1981. Padilla was also great.

Danimal77 · « **Reply #86 on:** December 02, 2013, 10:49:58 PM »

Quote from: The Ugly on October 23, 2013, 12:44:44 AM

I heard he started to lose his mind after that show, eventually went bonkers. Poor bastard.

There used to be a video on youtube of Mike and Ray in their last few days on the earth being filmed for a documentary. This was filmed JUST before his and his brother Rays death. It was evident that they had both become literally insane. I'm sure you can torrent it. It's quite disturbing to watch actually.

Danimal77 · « **Reply #87 on:** December 02, 2013, 10:51:23 PM »

Quote from: Mr Anabolic on October 23, 2013, 06:21:32 AM

Agreed. Mentzer was totally hyped and overrated. Even in his best shape he still could not beat a 210lb Arnold. Mentzer's chest was flat as a pancake. Even though Arnold's legs were smaller, they were still better and more detailed than Mentzer's.

NO WAY Arnold was 210 pounds on the day of. Minimum 220 pounds.

Teutonic Knight · « **Reply #88 on:** December 02, 2013, 10:54:18 PM »

Roger Walker wins, in his BB.com interview he call local judges cocksuckers

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #89 on:** December 02, 2013, 10:55:43 PM »

Quote from: The Ugly on October 23, 2013, 12:44:44 AM

I heard he started to lose his mind after that show, eventually went bonkers. Poor bastard.

I know...hahahaha.

Arnold essentially killed Mike Mentzer by being so ultimate....talk about owning someone's soul.

kimo · « **Reply #90 on:** December 03, 2013, 08:05:33 AM »

arnie was 219 pounds in australia . way below his best form . again john fair wrote a great piece on this olympia on the stark center website . seot 2009 i think . arnold in my view suffer from megalomania . he like his opponents to be huge like sergio and lou . were . came there playing with the rules no grooming etc .. anyway .

The_Punisher · « **Reply #91 on:** December 03, 2013, 08:30:25 AM »

where is Mentzer these days?

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #92 on:** December 03, 2013, 08:35:46 AM »

If only Robbie Robinson competed in that show...

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #93 on:** December 03, 2013, 08:37:34 AM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on December 02, 2013, 09:08:12 PM

The bigger question is, even if Arnold won, why didn't Mentzer place 2nd? Was it politics?

Yes he pissed off the IFBB you can see in the lineup pic its between Arnold and Mentzer.

MB · « **Reply #94 on:** December 03, 2013, 11:19:53 AM »

Bodybuilding peaked with Arnold. He could have won 14 Sandows from '70-'83 if he wanted.

Johnny Bravo · « **Reply #95 on:** December 03, 2013, 11:22:49 AM »

Quote from: Frank Clairmonte on October 22, 2013, 08:00:33 PM

i am gonna meltdown now

MENTZER FINISHED 5TH IN THAT SHOW. FOOLS ARE TALKING ABOUT HIM LIKE HE WAS SECOND BEHIND ARNOLD AND GOT ROBBED.

FUCK OFF. MENTZER GOT 5TH AND DESERVED IT.

Often wondered why many see him as the 2nd place. The 80 was stacked. And jacked

hench · « **Reply #96 on:** December 03, 2013, 01:09:41 PM »

Still stacked

Teutonic Knight · « **Reply #97 on:** December 03, 2013, 01:12:50 PM »

Vince never told us who received his plastic trophies for the 2nd & 3rd places at '80 Olympia.
Dickerson was Vince's main plastic trophy winner

in Sydney show.

hazbin · « **Reply #98 on:** December 03, 2013, 01:23:31 PM »

Quote from: Teutonic Knight on December 03, 2013, 01:12:50 PM

Vince never told us who received his plastic trophies for the 2nd & 3rd places at '80 Olympia.
Dickerson was Vince's main plastic trophy winner in Sydney show.

here is a photo taken by vince at the 80 O

jwb · « **Reply #99 on:** December 03, 2013, 01:25:35 PM »

Mike was better between 1976 and 1978