Georgian president backs cease-fire plan brokered by Sarkozy but won't sign it.

[Eldon]

So you really believe Putin when he says they went into Georgia on humanitarian reasons ?.....LMAO !!!!!

This is the same Putin that when told that Chechnya's had taken 1000's of hostages in the Moscow theater, called for the entire theater to be gassed, not only killing the Chechen's, but most of the hostages as well.

Or what about when the school was taken hostage in Beslan ?   Did Putin even try to negotiate to have the children released ? hell no, the Russians just threw grenades in the school,  that was Putin's answer.

For the past 3 years, Russia has been mailing Russian Passports for free to all the Georgians, in that region they recently invaded.  This was done ever since Georgia went against Putin, and signed to have that huge Gas pipeline put through Georgia. And why do you think Putin has been giving out free Russia Passports to Georgian  citizens ? The reason is so they could one day say they have an interest in protecting Thier newly made Russian passport holders South Osettia, 

All these liberals now saying Putin is just being a humanitarian, are as pathetic as they come.

[Hugo Chavez]

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visits Georgia on Friday to secure Tbilisi's signature to a French-brokered peace deal with Moscow.

http://news.yahoo.com/story//nm/20080815/ts_nm/georgia_ossetia_dc

Looks like rockyfortune is right.  With our reputation of buying everyone, Condi will no doubt arrive with a check.  What a scum, Georgia's president uses the moment for extortion.  Never sign anything when it's important to the US, wait for the check to arrive first kiddies

[Eldon]

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visits Georgia on Friday to secure Tbilisi's signature to a French-brokered peace deal with Moscow.

http://news.yahoo.com/story//nm/20080815/ts_nm/georgia_ossetia_dc

Looks like rockyfortune is right.  With our reputation of buying everyone, Condi will no doubt arrive with a check.  What a scum, Georgia's president uses the moment for extortion.  Never sign anything when it's important to the US, wait for the check to arrive first kiddies Grin

You have to be the stupidest person on GetBig.


The truth is the plan had a provision that is unclear, and that some have said would allow Russia to interpret it as allowing them to stay in Georgia, and even stay and take control of their ports, and the Pipe Line.

[Hugo Chavez]

You have to be the stupidest person on GetBig.


The truth is the plan had a provision that is unclear, and that some have said would allow Russia to interpret it as allowing them to stay in Georgia, and even stay and take control of their ports, and the Pipe Line.

Actually assclown, I think you just took that prize!!!!  Care to share with us your source on this info, or did you too pull it out of your ass?  Because here is what you're saying.  You're saying Sarkozy brokered a ceasefire plan that included wording which would give the russian's control of the pipelines?  Bwhahahahahaha...  Who's the dumbass here

LOL, one pipeline goes just barely north of Tblisi and the rest are south of Tblisi so you're saying that Sarkozy brokered a deal that essentially gives all of Georgia to the Russians...  LOLOLOL... oh come come, we have to see your source on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eldon]

Actually assclown, I think you just took that prize!!!!  Care to share with us your source on this info, or did you too pull it out of your ass?  Because here is what you're saying.  You're saying Sarkozy brokered a ceasefire plan that included wording which would give the russian's control of the pipelines?  Bwhahahahahaha...  Who's the dumbass here Wink

LOL, one pipeline goes just barely north of Tblisi and the rest are south of Tblisi so you're saying that Sarkozy brokered a deal that essentially gives all of Georgia to the Russians...  LOLOLOL... oh come come, we have to see your source on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it is worded unclear , so that it leaves abillity to allow Russia to stay in many parts of Georgia, therefore allowing them to try and control many areas, including the Pile Line.

And to answer your question,  I have family over their, so this is not just some GetBig debate for me.

[Hugo Chavez]

it is worded that leaves abillity to allow Russia to stay in many parts of Georgia, therefore allowing them to have control of many areas, including the Pile Line.

And to answer your question,  I have family over their, so this is not just some GetBig debate for me.

So your source for this bullshit which makes not a fucking lick of sense is your family?  LOLOLOL....  Gee, why would someone in Georgia come up with this kind of speculation to excuse their president's unwillingness to sign the cease fire agreement...  LOL... You need to answer my questions on this.  Why would Sarkozy which is our boy in France broker a deal that gives the pipelines to Russia... LOL...  Absolutely priceless you bring this and call ME the dumbest on getbig...

Also, since this greatly involves America and has potential to be a starting point for WWIII, this isn't just a Getbig debate for me either.  We'll have to pay the price because psycho Georgians with Neocon support went and launched a major offensive in South Ossetia and lost their asses off.  Tell your family not to support a stupid ass president that goes off half cocked trying to get us all into WWIII!!!!!

[Hugo Chavez]

OOOPS

Eldon you're busted...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/2008/08/20080813_GEORGIA_ACCORD.pdf

There is nothing in there that would have given them the pipelines.  Infact had Georgia signed it, the Russians wouldn't even be in Gori right now as it requires them to return to lines prior to hostilities.  But they didn't sign the cease fire agreement so it really makes accusations that Russia broke the cease fire mute since it was never agreed to (signed) by Georgia.  I certainly don't blame the Russians for not leaving an abandoned base full of tanks and weapons unattended.  Any pissed off yahoos with knowledge could just go grab them and start a new offensive.  It's Georgia's fault for not signing the agreement.  They stalled and the version now being taken there by Rice is the same with all reference to the the disputed areas removed.  Moscow agreed saying it doesn't change anything, so this was a stall tactic by Georgia's president.  stupid and dangerous.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080813/tpl-uk-georgia-ossetia-lavrov-reaction-43a8d4f.html

[Hugo Chavez]

And the attempted hit of the pipeline by Russia?  ahaha.. let's think about that for a second.  Such a move would serve only as an immediate means of drawing the US directly into the confict!  It is so highly doubtfull that would be Russia's motivation and they missed?  A pipeline?  ahaha... If Russians targeted the pipeline, it would have been hit.  Infact who is it that wants to draw US troops into this right away?  Georgia... They've made that loud and clear... Can you say inside job   There's actually no confirmation that I have been able to find whatsoever to show Russia targeted the pipeline, but all the stories sure include the fact... hmmmm...

[Eldon]

Scum bag,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_eu/us_russia_georgia

"Rice will be consulting with pro-Western Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili about details of the cease-fire, which will require Russia to withdraw its combat forces from Georgia but allows Russian peacekeepers to remain in South Ossetia and conduct limited patrols outside the region."

Once again in case you missed it dip shit :

"and conduct limited patrols outside the region."

One more time ?

"and conduct limited patrols outside the region."

Still did not read it dip shit ?


"and conduct limited patrols outside the region."


The problem is who decides the definition of the word " Limited " , and who decides how far of "outisde the region"






But continue on with your propaganda, you worthless piece of shit !

[Hugo Chavez]

Sorry Eldon, that article is about the changed draft being taken by Condi to Georgia.  If that's what's been added, then the Georgians will be looking at a cease fire with worse wording than before!!!  I suspect that article is misinformed.  I posted the actual pdf above of the cease fire agreement and that wording is not in the document.  I also posted a story above that shows exactly what was chanced which was the removal of material in 5 and 6 not the addition of materal.  Moscow agreed to the change saying it doesn't change anything.

What you got Eldon, so far nothing.

[Hugo Chavez]

Read the pdf of the document, there is no wording that states, "and conduct limited patrols outside the region."

[Eldon]

Read the pdf of the document, there is no wording that states, "and conduct limited patrols outside the region."

Hugo,


Please re-read #5 from that pdf you linked:

"Russian Peacekeeping forces will implement additional security"





Even a reporter from Associated Press that wrote the above article that I linked, saying  it "allows Russian peacekeepers to remain in South Ossetia and conduct limited patrols outside the region."

[Hugo Chavez]

Eldon, now kindly read to us what it says in the first part of that #5 sentence   Could you put it in red too please

[Eldon]

Eldon, now kindly read to us what it says in the first part of that sentence Wink

So you know better than the reports from the associated press, that I linked ,  that even states that #5 would allow Russia to go outside the area ?

Who do you think are the Russian PeaceKeepers ? 


Hugo, seriously..... you are one retarded fucker,

[Hugo Chavez]

So you know better than the reports  from the associated press, that I linked ?  that even states that #5 would allow Russia to go outside  the area ?


Hugo, seriously  you are one retarded fucker,

No Eldon, please post in red for us the whole #5 line...  Taking half of it is spinning it, let everyone see what the full stipulations in line 5 are...

Post it... do it, just do it... do it...

[Eldon]

dip shit, please define for me who are the "Russian Peacekeeping forces" ?


Please tell us all.................


And please show me in that agreement  what areas they are limited to ?


Please tell us all.................

[Hugo Chavez]

Post all of Item #5 please.

[Hugo Chavez]

Post it Eldon, what are you hiding, you're stuck so switch to irrelivantly asking for a definition of Russian Peace Keepers, they were russian army before, I recon they'll still be Russian Army, not the same guys since Georgia killed them.

Now fucking post all of #5 you stupid douche.

[Eldon]

Post it Eldon, what are you hiding, you're stuck so switch to irrelivantly asking for a definition of Russian Peace Keepers, they were russian army before, I recon they'll still be Russian Army, not the same guys since Georgia killed them. Roll Eyes

Now fucking post all of #5 you stupid douche.

What your computer wont open a pdf ?




Answer my questions dip shit.....


Since you are smarter than the associated press Writer,  please define for me who are the "Russian Peacekeeping forces" ?


Please tell us all................. Roll Eyes


And please show me in that agreement  what areas they are limited to ?


Please tell us all................. Roll Eyes

[Hugo Chavez]

Post all of Number 5 dipshit.  You're the one being evasive... What Eldon doesn't want to show you all is that the only way the Russians could patrol outside of South Ossetia is to break the first part of Item 5 thereby violating terms in the cease fire agreement.  In fact this leaves only one meaning, that the Russians will provide additional security IN SOUTH OSSETIA!!! 

Nice Eldon...

Now post number 5 for everyone, I only ask since you seemed only willing to quote the part in red that if read by itself would mean something completely different. 

Post all of 5 Douche.

[Eldon]

hat Eldon doesn't want to show you all is that the only way the Russians could patrol outside of South Ossetia is to break the first part of Item 5 thereby violating terms in the cease fire agreement.

where in the fuck does it say that ?

[Hugo Chavez]

And please show me in that agreement what areas they are limited to ?

It's defined in the agreement that you didn't read or are only willing to read your way.  They are required to return the area prior to hostilities and those lines are known, not an unknown jackass.

Oh by the way, being smarter than an AP reporter isn't probably asking for much.  It's not like they're some group of superhero brilliant reporters   Gee, who would ever guess you'd find dipshits in the media... LOL... real unheard of huh... not!

[Eldon]

It's defined in the agreement that you didn't read or are only willing to read your way.  They are required to return the area prior to hostilities and those lines are known, not an unknown jackass.

Oh by the way, being smarter than an AP reporter isn't probably asking for much.  It's not like they're some group of superhero brilliant reporters Roll Eyes  Gee, who would ever guess you'd find dipshits in the media... LOL... real unheard of huh... not!

For the last time you wrotten sack of shit,

show me where in that agreement, that the only way the "Russian PeaceKeeprs" could patrol outside of South Ossetia is to break the first part of Item 5 thereby violating terms in the cease fire agreement."


waiting........

[Hugo Chavez]

where in the fuck does it say that ?

Jesus fucking Christ, learn to read you moron...  In item 4 it requires Georgians to their normal bases of operation which ARE KNOWN, NOT AN UNKNOWN.  In item 5 it says Russian forces "MUST" withdraw to lines prior to the start of Hostilities which ARE KNOWN, NOT UNKNOWN...

Are you really this fucking stupid?

[Hugo Chavez]

For the last time you wrotten sack of shit,

show me where in that agreement, that the only way the Russian PeaceKeeprs "could patrol outside of South Ossetia is to break the first part of Item 5 thereby violating terms in the cease fire agreement."


waiting........

you are the dumbest fucker of all time... If they pass the point prior to hostilities that the first part of 5 requires them to "withdraw" to, they are obviously in fucking violation of the agreement!!!!  Fucking retard