How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?

[Disgusted]

In medicine...you can never say never, grasshoppa 

You're may be right. Just remember though that when someone drinks a 100 grams of sugar it is much easier on the body to take slin than to force your pancrease to produce an unnatural amount of insulin. This is why most people becomes type 2 in the first place. Too many damn carbs thru out their lives.

[Brutal_1]

Type 1 diabetes occurs when the body's immune system kills off the beta cells in the pancreas.
The immune system attacks its own body.  This is referred to as juvenile onset, and occurs early in life.We are not talking about the immune system killing off its own beta cells.

The pancreas do NOT shut down in response with insuling use.
The testicles do shut down with Testosterone.

You have just proved that you don't know shit about this subject.
This is a complete waste of time discussing any further with you guys.

I am going to bed, this is a joke discussing this with you jag-offs. 

You've got to be kidding me...it's not even called "juvenile diabetes" anymore...it hasn't been called that for over ten years! 


So, not only should you put the high school physio book down....BUT GO BUY AN UPDATED ONE!!!! 

[monstercalves]

I like this look personally, strictly in a non fruity way of course. 

thats some deep seperation goin on there.... who is that guy.... hes achieved amazing condition

and generally what look does slin give u?

[johnnytosh]

JB — Well, typically I've seen tremendous increases in insulin sensitivity with 3-4 intense weight training sessions per week, lasting 1 hour per session

Both aerobic and resistance training greatly increase insulin sensitivity through some different and some similar mechanisms

Insulin sensitivity is therefore very good. In this case, your cells — especially the muscle cells — respond very well to small levels of insulin. Therefore, they need very little insulin stimulation to get into an anabolic state. So high insulin sensitivity at the muscle level is very desirable.

Simply put, insulin resistance is bad. If you're insulin resistant, your cells — especially the muscle cells — don't respond to the anabolic effects of normal levels of insulin, i.e. they resist insulin's effects. If this is the case, the body then releases massive amounts of insulin to promote nutrient storage in the resistant cells. Remember, though, that chronic high levels of insulin in the blood are very bad and can cause type 2 diabetes.

The article in Testosterone Nation echoes exactly what I explained.
I copied & pasted the pertinent sections.
The BB will ONLY use 10-15 IU after training, this will not lead to
problems of insulin resistance-because the BB is ULTRA-sensitive to insulin.

[Disgusted]

thats some deep seperation goin on there.... who is that guy.... hes achieved amazing condition

and generally what look does slin give u?

Pierre Vandensteen.    I believe that slin promotes marblization of fat witin the muscle itself, especially in certain areas that may be more receptive than others. It is common for us to see striations in the glutes today, but gone are the deep shoulder, upper back and chest striations of years ago.

[johnnytosh]

You've got to be kidding me...it's not even called "juvenile diabetes" anymore...it hasn't been called that for over ten years! 


So, not only should you put the high school physio book down....BUT GO BUY AN UPDATED ONE!!!! 

It happens early in the persons life, usually before the age of 25.
No matter what you insist on calling it, Type 1 diabetics are due to the reasons I stated,
or an injury/infection to the pancreas. NOT INSULIN USE.
 
Name one BB (other than possible Don Long)
that has killed off his pancreas you fucking idiot.

You can't....

So the state your talking about is a Type 1-adult onset, which you have
no examples, because it doesnt exist.

[Brutal_1]

It happens early in the persons life, usually before the age of 25.
No matter what you insist on calling it, Type 1 diabetics are due to the reasons I stated,
or an injury/infection to the pancreas. NOT INSULIN USE.
 
Name one BB (other than possible Don Long)
that has killed off his pancreas you fucking idiot.

You can't....

So the state your talking about is a Type 1-adult onset, which you have
no examples, because it doesnt exist.

LMAO!!! 

I thought you were going to bed?

 

[monstercalves]

Pierre Vandensteen.    I believe that slin promotes marblization of fat witin the muscle itself, especially in certain areas that may be more receptive than others. It is common for us to see striations in the glutes today, but gone are the deep shoulder, upper back and chest striations of years ago.

i see exactly what u mean.....

a fuckin wealth of knowledge ....thanks

do u remember pumping iron well?

when big mike katz does a most muscular in the mirror with waller b4 they go onstage.... katz has some serious deeply cut shoulders....

[johnnytosh]

LMAO!!! 

I thought you were going to bed?

 

You couldn't name one... Could You smart ass?
NO !!

LMAO

Its amazing how you can't respond when you are wrong.
You switch the subject.

FYI -The term "juvenile onset" is still valid.
The term TYPE-1 is a collectively simpler way to encompass

"Childhood onset"
"Juvenile onset"
"Insulin dependent"

This is done for the sake of brevity. The term juvenile onset is 100%
valid, and unfortunately, all too real.

Now were you gonna name a BB that triggered himself into
becoming a TYPE-1, thru insulin use ?
Other than Tim Belknap, who was diagnosed as a juvenile,
BECAUSE HIS immune system killed off his beta cells.

Quick BRUTAL:, get on google and search the world to find someone,
If you cant name one off the top of your head, as we have just
all witnessed that you cant, youre an idiot.

Now I am going to bed

[Brutal_1]

You couldn't name one... Could You smart ass?
NO !!

LMAO

Its amazing how you can't respond when you are wrong.
You switch the subject.

FYI -The term "juvenile onset" is still valid.
The term TYPE-1 is a collectively simpler way to encompass

"Childhood onset"
"Juvenile onset"
"Insulin dependent"

This is done for the sake of brevity. The term juvenile onset is 100%
valid, and unfortunately, all too real.

Now were you gonna name a BB that triggered himself into
becoming a TYPE-1, thru insulin use ?
Other than Tim Belknap, who was diagnosed as a juvenile,
BECAUSE HIS immune system killed off his beta cells.

Quick BRUTAL:, get on google and search the world to find someone,
If you cant name one off the top of your head, as we have just
all witnessed that you cant, youre an idiot.

Now I am going to bed

I think we've found our new CANDIZZLE 


Glad to have you on board toshie 

[Disgusted]

i see exactly what u mean.....

a fuckin wealth of knowledge ....thanks

do u remember pumping iron well?

when big mike katz does a most muscular in the mirror with waller b4 they go onstage.... katz has some serious deeply cut shoulders....

Yes I remember and Mike was a pretty big guy. You don't see that anymore which is a shame. I got the anniversary DVD, do you remember Arnold being interviewed as he walked thru I think was a park? Wasn't in the original Pumping Iron. He had on shorts and a t shirt and all I could think was WTF!!! He looked unreal walkin around like that.

[THE MUSCULAR]

hello,
thanks alot johnnytosh  for the great info. it was really very much interested for me and i really appreciate your knowldge and the information u gave about the insulin hormon and the explainatrion aobut type 1 and type 2  . You highlight something in my mind thats why i post here to thank u . i use to read here in getbig more than posting.

regards,
The muscular

[IFBBwannaB]

OK fluffy,  taking slin does not make you a diabetic.

Taking GH does.

[Emmortal]

Taking GH does.

Too much for long periods of time can indeed decrease insulin sensitivity.  However, this can easily be countered by taking exogenous slin as well as glucophage.

Since most of the pros who take large amounts of GH are also doing Slin, none of them are in danger of it really.

[musclehedz]

with all the insulin day in and day out and just utter abuse over the years of their natural system--- how can they even be walking? Not isolating these 2 necessarily but just using as an example. I dont have a thorough chemistry background and im sure their "coaches" know what they are doing, but this never seems to get asked much in bb'ing. But it seems like a very real possibility for it to occur?

Because they have brains. They are not gonna destroy their health, they know exactly what they are doing.

[IFBBwannaB]

Too much for long periods of time can indeed decrease insulin sensitivity.  However, this can easily be countered by taking exogenous slin as well as glucophage.

Since most of the pros who take large amounts of GH are also doing Slin, none of them are in danger of it really.

Unfortunately I dont remember much about the subject, I just remember quite a few research articles that found GH effects Insulin absorption  in the body.
So I'll take your word on this

[closeline]

many top BB take their insu with all their 6-7 meals a day and somtimes long acting insu

i think it s actually possible that the body stops his own insu production if this regimen is applied

[boonstack]

Because they have brains. They are not gonna destroy their health, they know exactly what they are doing.

Yes, Jays head is the size of a watermelon and has a waist thicker than an oak tree, and Ronnie can barely string a sentence together.

But, they are also are med school graduates. I love it.


Do you actually think for a second the damage they have done to their bodies is "minor" in the long run? Or they are just going to return to normal when they end their vicious cycles? The whole "Well, other bodybuilders did it and they are fine!" analogy does not work here. Im sure their are not many human beings on the planet that take more than Jay or Ronnie do/did... so they are pushing the limits. IF small cycles can do it, so can theirs.


Oh i forgot to say that the above paragraph was not solely on the subject of insulin. It just combined with all the other chemicals they include in their cycles. Funny the word "chemicals" gives a whole different meaning than saying "steroids"

[chester_bbb]

I like this look personally, strictly in a non fruity way of course. 

Are you saying the crispness will be gone if insulin is used?

[johnnytosh]

hello,
thanks alot johnnytosh  for the great info. it was really very much interested for me and i really appreciate your knowldge and the information u gave about the insulin hormon and the explainatrion aobut type 1 and type 2  . You highlight something in my mind thats why i post here to thank u . i use to read here in getbig more than posting.

regards,
The muscular

Thanks Bro.  I appreciate that.  Thats what makes it worthwhile. If 1 person walks away with a single golden nugget of knowledge, then it was worth the time.

The MOST IMPORTANT concept to take away from this thread is as follows:
     -"The dramatic increase in insulin sensitivty (good thing), due to resistance training, TRUMPS/BLOWS AWAY/OUTWEIGHS/DOMINATES any potential or theoretical negative side effect associated with insulin use"
The only real negative would be to inject too much insulin, and trigger a hypoglycemic reaction.
That, although potentially fatal, has nothing to do with beiong diabetic.  I appreciate the kind words.

Thank You

[Van_Bilderass]

Too much for long periods of time can indeed decrease insulin sensitivity.  However, this can easily be countered by taking exogenous slin as well as glucophage.

Since most of the pros who take large amounts of GH are also doing Slin, none of them are in danger of it really.

Taking exogenous slin may save your pancreas but wont do anything for sensitivity, except perhaps make it worse.

[Van_Bilderass]

Remember, though, that chronic high levels of insulin in the blood are very bad and can cause type 2 diabetes.

The BB will ONLY use 10-15 IU after training, this will not lead to
problems of insulin resistance-because the BB is ULTRA-sensitive to insulin.

Many of the drugs bodybuilders use, including steroids, can cause insulin resistance and therefore increase insulin levels. Add a high calorie diet and a bodybuilder will have high insulin levels round the clock.

So I don't know about all of the pros being "ultra-sensitive"