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How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« on: August 13, 2008, 06:23:31 PM »
with all the insulin day in and day out and just utter abuse over the years of their natural system--- how can they even be walking? Not isolating these 2 necessarily but just using as an example. I dont have a thorough chemistry background and im sure their "coaches" know what they are doing, but this never seems to get asked much in bb'ing. But it seems like a very real possibility for it to occur?

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008, 06:41:37 PM »
Cause it's not Jeezus' plan.....duh!
HAHA, RON.....

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2008, 06:50:41 PM »
Why would they?

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2008, 06:51:53 PM »
That insulin shit is so fucking dangerous I don't know how they don't drop dead, and I have a minor in chemistry

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2008, 06:53:19 PM »
Jay Cutler is a well known diabetic

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2008, 06:53:31 PM »
Why would they?


yeaaa..... apparently your not "getting" it... easy tiger

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2008, 06:56:04 PM »

yeaaa..... apparently your not "getting" it... easy tiger

OK fluffy,  >:( taking slin does not make you a diabetic.

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2008, 06:58:21 PM »
Type 2 diabetes (adult onset), which is what you are referring to will almost never occur in weightlifters.
Type 2 diabetes occurs almost exclusivley is people that do not exercise (resistance training).
When people don't lift weights, their muscles become resistant to the effects of their own insulin.
Their bodies still produce plenty of insulin, but the insulin is  is unable to transport the glucose into the muscle cells.  

It is a fallacy that the type-2 diabetic doesn't produce insulin...they do.  

A bodybuilder may only use 15 IU's after they train.
A type 2 diabetic may do between 40-80 IU's every day of injectable insulin.
So the scale is much less.

The bottom line is that BB's do suffer from heart attacks & high cholesterol.
They also suffer from narrowing of the arteries.
A much smaller percentage suffer from high blood pressure, because the dilating effects of exercise
keep the blood pressure down.
But BB's practically NEVER suffer from type-2 diabetes because their muscles are very SENSITIVE to insulin, as opposed to being RESISTANT to insulin. When a person's (BB's) muscles are SENSITIVE to insulin, from all the weightlifting, the insulin (whether produced naturally in the pancreas, or injected) works very efficiently, and there are no problems.

It is "urban legend" that Bodybuilders become diabetic. It almost NEVER happens.
Their muscles are far TOO SENSITIVE to insulin for that to happen.

People falsely think that by using insulin, you will "Shut Down" your pancreas.
That IS NOT how people become diabetic.
People become Type-2 diabetic due to their muscles becoming RESISTANT to insulin.
It's that simple. 

I have never met a type 2 diabetic that lifts weights.
Conversely, every type-2 diabetic I have ever met, and I have met
literally thousands, does not lift weights.

DISGUSTED is 100% correct by asking "Why would it?"





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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2008, 07:02:04 PM »
OK fluffy,  >:( taking slin does not make you a diabetic.

no, but it allows all necessary factors to come into play if u did not take slin in the first place.

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2008, 07:03:17 PM »
no, but it allows all necessary factors to come into play if u did not take slin in the first place.


How so.  ???

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2008, 07:07:29 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3123545.stm


read that disg


basically as some long term test users may have to use test the rest of life after bb'ing career (as their natural production stops at a point after its being introduced to system by external means)-- u could also say ur body will stop producing own natural hormones after abusing slin for so long

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2008, 07:15:08 PM »
Type 2 diabetes (adult onset), which is what you are referring to will almost never occur in weightlifters.
Type 2 diabetes occurs almost exclusivley is people that do not exercise (resistance training).
When people don't lift weights, their muscles become resistant to the effects of their own insulin.
Their bodies still produce plenty of insulin, but the insulin is  is unable to transport the glucose into the muscle cells.  

It is a fallacy that the type-2 diabetic doesn't produce insulin...they do.  

A bodybuilder may only use 15 IU's after they train.
A type 2 diabetic may do between 40-80 IU's every day of injectable insulin.
So the scale is much less.

The bottom line is that BB's do suffer from heart attacks & high cholesterol.
They also suffer from narrowing of the arteries.
A much smaller percentage suffer from high blood pressure, because the dilating effects of exercise
keep the blood pressure down.
But BB's practically NEVER suffer from type-2 diabetes because their muscles are very SENSITIVE to insulin, as opposed to being RESISTANT to insulin. When a person's (BB's) muscles are SENSITIVE to insulin, from all the weightlifting, the insulin (whether produced naturally in the pancreas, or injected) works very efficiently, and there are no problems.

It is "urban legend" that Bodybuilders become diabetic. It almost NEVER happens.
Their muscles are far TOO SENSITIVE to insulin for that to happen.

People falsely think that by using insulin, you will "Shut Down" your pancreas.
That IS NOT how people become diabetic.
People become Type-2 diabetic due to their muscles becoming RESISTANT to insulin.
It's that simple. 

I have never met a type 2 diabetic that lifts weights.
Conversely, every type-2 diabetic I have ever met, and I have met
literally thousands, does not lift weights.

DISGUSTED is 100% correct by asking "Why would it?"






That would be Type I  ;)

And i'm sure there are retired pros that are on insulin, test, and thyroid therapy...just to be "normal"
just not good enough

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2008, 07:21:52 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3123545.stm


read that disg


basically as some long term test users may have to use test the rest of life after bb'ing career (as their natural production stops at a point after its being introduced to system by external means)-- u could also say ur body will stop producing own natural hormones after abusing slin for so long

BOON-You are wrong. Your article means nothing. So a guy took too much insuling and went hypoglycemic.
That has nothing to do with becoming a diabetic.
Doctors are missing the boat almost entirely about type-2 diabetes, constantly blaming "Genetics".
Resistance training will cure type 2 diabetes almost every time.

I notice there are no names of BB's in your article. There is simply a fear expressed.

Read what I wrote. I spent alot of time trying to explain to you, so you would know.
But you have arrived at your conclusion without having any knowledge of how insulin
behaves in the body. You are buying into an "Urban Legend", and you are repeating something
that you have heard others repeat-with no real life examples.

Not hating on you, but you need to have a better understanding of what causes type-2 diabetes.


DISGUSTED is correct.  The pancreas do not "Shut Down" when an athlete uses insulin.
The testicles will shut down with testosterone use.

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2008, 07:21:58 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3123545.stm


read that disg


basically as some long term test users may have to use test the rest of life after bb'ing career (as their natural production stops at a point after its being introduced to system by external means)-- u could also say ur body will stop producing own natural hormones after abusing slin for so long

Nope, that is a very bad analogy. Insulin is produced at specific times during the day, many times. If you take one shot of slin say with meal 1 it doesn't mean that your pancrease will not produce any for meal 2 if you happen not to shoot any. Many guys shoot slin for weeks or months then quit suddenly with no problems and do this for many years. They do not need to do any type of PCT to get their pancrease working again. I do not know one person who has ever become diabetic from using slin. Now, this does not mean that I condone it's use either.

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2008, 07:25:29 PM »
That would be Type I  ;)

And i'm sure there are retired pros that are on insulin, test, and thyroid therapy...just to be "normal"

What would be type 1 ?
What are you referring to ?
Please tell me.

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2008, 07:26:55 PM »
Nope, that is a very bad analogy. Insulin is produced at specific times during the day, many times. If you take one shot of slin say with meal 1 it doesn't mean that your pancrease will not produce any for meal 2 if you happen not to shoot any. Many guys shoot slin for weeks or months then quit suddenly with no problems and do this for many years. They do not need to do any type of PCT to get their pancrease working again. I do not know one person who has ever become diabetic from using slin. Now, this does not mean that I condone it's use either.

main reasons why u would'nt.......

thanks

monstercalves  :)

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2008, 07:30:04 PM »
What would be type 1 ?
What are you referring to ?
Please tell me.

IF a bodybuilder were to develop diabetes, it would be due to the shut down of the body's production ie Type I....NOT due to insulin resistance, Type II  ;)
just not good enough

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2008, 07:31:17 PM »
look, it just appears u are trying to rip apart the most minute/trivial factors coming into play and trying SO HARD to defend that "ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR DIABETES TO OCCUR".... why cant it just be "Look, if u arent careful, SURE ITS A POSSIBILITY you can develop them"?

you may not necessarily have clogged arteries from eating 2 lbs of bacon everyday, but it sure isnt helping any. Basically, even if its 1/100 odds of getting it, it is POSSIBLE.

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2008, 07:31:38 PM »
IF a bodybuilder were to develop diabetes, it would be due to the shut down of the body's production ie Type I....NOT due to insulin resistance, Type II  ;)

If, but they won't.  ;)

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2008, 07:32:59 PM »
main reasons why u would'nt.......

thanks

monstercalves  :)

Mainly cause I really don't care for the "look" it gives BBers.

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2008, 07:36:48 PM »
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=462122


good article for sensitivity/resistance

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2008, 07:38:13 PM »
Mainly cause I really don't care for the "look" it gives BBers.

thanks man....

BTW i found out who u are....well roughly.... in relation to king i mean...

remember i asked who u were because u were getting all the "guess who" threads instantly?

what look ?..... bloated?watery? ???????????

thanks

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2008, 07:39:51 PM »
If, but they won't.  ;)

In medicine...you can never say never, grasshoppa  ;D
just not good enough

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2008, 07:41:55 PM »
thanks man....

BTW i found out who u are....well roughly.... in relation to king i mean...

remember i asked who u were because u were getting all the "guess who" threads instantly?

what look ?..... bloated?watery? ???????????

thanks


I like this look personally, strictly in a non fruity way of course.  ;D

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Re: How can Ronnie/Jay not have diabetes?
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 07:43:24 PM »
IF a bodybuilder were to develop diabetes, it would be due to the shut down of the body's production ie Type I....NOT due to insulin resistance, Type II  ;)

Type 1 diabetes occurs when the body's immune system kills off the beta cells in the pancreas.
The immune system attacks its own body.  This is referred to as juvenile onset, and occurs early in life.
We are not talking about the immune system killing off its own beta cells.

The pancreas do NOT shut down in response with insuling use.
The testicles do shut down with Testosterone.

You have just proved that you don't know shit about this subject.
This is a complete waste of time discussing any further with you guys.

I am going to bed, this is a joke discussing this with you jag-offs.  :)