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Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« on: August 14, 2008, 05:30:53 AM »
The crime was apostasy; she had converted to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022201.php
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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 05:40:24 AM »
The crime was apostasy; she had converted to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022201.php
disgusting >:(  She was a gusty girl.  Says that they got in a heated argument over it.  Knowing what they do to you for something like this, that took guts to confront the issue with her father. Honor to her and it's terrible she lost her life to bullshit. This is sickening.

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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 05:42:39 AM »
The crime was apostasy; she had converted to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022201.php

Nordic, can you do me a favor and bring up all the stories of Christian girls in Western countries having their tongues cut out and burned to death for converting to Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Taoism, etc that have occurred in the last year? I figure it has to be in the hundreds, if not thousands like the Moslems.

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 05:47:59 AM »
disgusting >:(  She was a gusty girl.  Says that they got in a heated argument over it.  Knowing what they do to you for something like this, that took guts to confront the issue with her father. Honor to her and it's terrible she lost her life to bullshit. This is sickening.

Islamic law dictates death for apostasy, their culture prescribes this shit.

Do you think western culture is equal to that of SA or other islamist countries?

Nordic, can you do me a favor and bring up all the stories of Christian girls in Western countries having their tongues cut out and burned to death for converting to Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Taoism, etc that have occurred in the last year? I figure it has to be in the hundreds, if not thousands like the Moslems.

Yes does seem odd, our media, and liberal apologists (Jag), keep telling us Christianity is just as bad as islam and that islam is a peaceful religion...

Why do our EYES and COMMON SENSE keep lying to us and telling us otherwise?
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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 05:53:19 AM »
Islamic law dictates death for apostasy, their culture prescribes this shit.

Do you think western culture is equal to that of SA or other islamist countries?

Yes does seem odd, our media, and liberal apologists (Jag), keep telling us Christianity is just as bad as islam and that islam is a peaceful religion...

Why do our EYES and COMMON SENSE keep lying to us and telling us otherwise?
WTF?  I'm siding with you on this shit... No need to question me, this shit is wrong all the way.  I thought I made that clear in my response.  You won't see me defend this kind of crap.  I have said I don't like Christianity or Islam or Judaism with Islam being the worst of the bunch and I stand by that statement.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 05:59:30 AM »
WTF?  I'm siding with you on this shit... No need to question me, this shit is wrong all the way.  I thought I made that clear in my response.  You won't see me defend this kind of crap.  I have said I don't like Christianity or Islam or Judaism with Islam being the worst of the bunch and I stand by that statement.

Sorry, I actually knew you were siding with me.

I am curious tho if you believe islamists culture is equal to western culture?
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 06:05:34 AM »
But I question, what are we supposed to do about it?  Saudi is one of the worst.  Granted, there are a few people there risking their asses to change things.  I watched a documentary the other day about Women in Saudi Arabia.  There was a businessman who went out of his way to hire women.  They work without the burkas and this guy is probably going to get killed.  They also showed the royal palace and the women that worked there.  They were all made up like porn stars.  I was torn, is this just massive hypocrisy or change.  My guess was hypocrisy...  So anyway, what do we do?  We kiss Saudi ass.  Saudis being huge investors in America.  What's the answer?  War is not the answer, I know that, it just serves to further radicalize.  I just wish none of this crazy shit happened and I sure don't know the answer.  Maybe there isn't one ???  I know we'll never see santions on a country like Saudia Arabia.  We kiss their asses while condeming everyone else for doing the same shit.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 06:14:24 AM »
Sorry, I actually knew you were siding with me.

I am curious tho if you believe islamists culture is equal to western culture?
no, I don't.  you won't ever see me running to live where that kind of crap going on.  Are we all good because they suck dog shit, oh hell no... Two different worlds with two different sets of evils.  By far, if we're just talking about people, I stand by the west.  At heart, we're dang good people.  But we're subject to some bad shit that should be guarded against and I see us failing at that more now than ever.  I think we've only served to draw out the worst in the middle east.  man, this is not an easy topic, the nature of the beast isn't so easily defined and is constantly in flux.  I certainly don't have it all figured out, but I try, it's all I can do.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 06:22:19 AM »
OK, I understand. I must stress we need to win mind share; we are culturally superior - the liberal apologetic mindset will destroy us in the end.
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 06:57:21 AM »
OK, I understand. I must stress we need to win mind share; we are culturally superior - the liberal apologetic mindset will destroy us in the end.
I'm cautious of signing on to the superior thing even talking culturally.  Just guessing here but I think what we see here is a population that is still in the dark ages culturally.  These people didn't have the Renaissance that we did.  If you look at that state of Christianity back in the day, it was as brutal as Islam is today.  Then of course you had all these guys who had to do their scientific exporations and really all explorations outside of the church underground, but they kept at it and eventually through the history we all know of the west, were able to breach the confinds of the church where we see the ultimate potential of free individuals.   This just never happened in the Arab world and it's unfortunate.  They are indeed stuck where we were long ago.  Can we force it on them?  I don't know--human nature probably dictates no. 

I could guess work on this stuff all day. Perhaps if they did not have to weather so many successive middleage crusades they too would have thrived and Islam taken a back seat to individual freedom or perhaps not, perhaps that would mean they were the dominant culture of today crushing the west.  Humanity seems hellbent on waring which is probably, natural... unfortunately.

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 07:06:27 AM »
OK, I understand. I must stress we need to win mind share; we are culturally superior - the liberal apologetic mindset will destroy us in the end.

pretty interesting statement right here. When you say we are culturally superior, are you speaking in terms of our freedoms? On those terms I completely agree. But that's where it hit's a fucking wall. I'm not going to write a long winded response to the liberal apologetic mindset bringing about our doom, that's just shenanigans, and you fucking know it. Nothing but brainwash to pound our heads into thinking the shoot first ask question last approach is the only way to get shit done.

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 07:30:18 AM »
I'm cautious of signing on to the superior thing even talking culturally.  Just guessing here but I think what we see here is a population that is still in the dark ages culturally.  These people didn't have the Renaissance that we did.  If you look at that state of Christianity back in the day, it was as brutal as Islam is today.  Then of course you had all these guys who had to do their scientific exporations and really all explorations outside of the church underground, but they kept at it and eventually through the history we all know of the west, were able to breach the confinds of the church where we see the ultimate potential of free individuals.   This just never happened in the Arab world and it's unfortunate.  They are indeed stuck where we were long ago.  Can we force it on them?  I don't know--human nature probably dictates no. 

I could guess work on this stuff all day. Perhaps if they did not have to weather so many successive middleage crusades they too would have thrived and Islam taken a back seat to individual freedom or perhaps not, perhaps that would mean they were the dominant culture of today crushing the west.  Humanity seems hellbent on waring which is probably, natural... unfortunately.

I'm not interested in what was, I'm interested in what is, and what will be.

There is a reason you chose not to move to an islamic nation, the reason is synonymous with the reason western countries have a huge influx of immigration from the said countries.

So you're cautious to claiming your culture is superior? I see this as a major disadvantage to what western culture has achieved and its people had to go through to get things such as freedom of speech etc.

I agree that war is nature. I'm not actually talking about [physical war; it's a war of the minds. If you have no energy to muster up the opinion that your set of cultural traits is superior to barbaric systems then I can only say you have yourself to blame when your future generations are suppressed.

pretty interesting statement right here. When you say we are culturally superior, are you speaking in terms of our freedoms? On those terms I completely agree. But that's where it hit's a fucking wall. I'm not going to write a long winded response to the liberal apologetic mindset bringing about our doom, that's just shenanigans, and you fucking know it. Nothing but brainwash to pound our heads into thinking the shoot first ask question last approach is the only way to get shit done.

Freedoms, amongst other metrics - yes, I am in no doubt whatsoever; I believe we're not even comparable because the most basic of values (of the sexes for example) doesn't exist.

Shoot first, ask questions later? When did I ask for that? I'm simply asking my brethren who share the same ideals of equality and freedoms I do to voice their support.

Honestly, Wars get nothing done, it's shifts in the moral and cultural make-up of nations that produce real positive achievements for man-kind. And honestly, islamic culture is simply disastrous.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 08:18:44 AM »
I'm not interested in what was, I'm interested in what is, and what will be.

There is a reason you chose not to move to an islamic nation, the reason is synonymous with the reason western countries have a huge influx of immigration from the said countries.

So you're cautious to claiming your culture is superior? I see this as a major disadvantage to what western culture has achieved and its people had to go through to get things such as freedom of speech etc.

I agree that war is nature. I'm not actually talking about [physical war; it's a war of the minds. If you have no energy to muster up the opinion that your set of cultural traits is superior to barbaric systems then I can only say you have yourself to blame when your future generations are suppressed.

Freedoms, amongst other metrics - yes, I am in no doubt whatsoever; I believe we're not even comparable because the most basic of values (of the sexes for example) doesn't exist.

Shoot first, ask questions later? When did I ask for that? I'm simply asking my brethren who share the same ideals of equality and freedoms I do to voice their support.

Honestly, Wars get nothing done, it's shifts in the moral and cultural make-up of nations that produce real positive achievements for man-kind. And honestly, islamic culture is simply disastrous.

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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2008, 08:46:43 AM »
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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2008, 08:50:25 AM »
I'm not interested in what was, I'm interested in what is, and what will be.

There is a reason you chose not to move to an islamic nation, the reason is synonymous with the reason western countries have a huge influx of immigration from the said countries.

So you're cautious to claiming your culture is superior? I see this as a major disadvantage to what western culture has achieved and its people had to go through to get things such as freedom of speech etc.

I agree that war is nature. I'm not actually talking about [physical war; it's a war of the minds. If you have no energy to muster up the opinion that your set of cultural traits is superior to barbaric systems then I can only say you have yourself to blame when your future generations are suppressed.

Freedoms, amongst other metrics - yes, I am in no doubt whatsoever; I believe we're not even comparable because the most basic of values (of the sexes for example) doesn't exist.

Shoot first, ask questions later? When did I ask for that? I'm simply asking my brethren who share the same ideals of equality and freedoms I do to voice their support.

Honestly, Wars get nothing done, it's shifts in the moral and cultural make-up of nations that produce real positive achievements for man-kind. And honestly, islamic culture is simply disastrous.
Dude, just on your first comment I have to disagree right away before reading the rest... in dealing with the problems of today, it's extremely important to understand the history that got us here.  History is so freaking important I just cannot emphasize that enough.  Got to correct you on that.  It's very important.

No, I'm cautious of using the word "superior" as a description.  It tends to get misused in bad ways.

Come on, there are better and probably more accurate descriptions we can apply than "superior" without it meaning that I'm dogging our culture ::)

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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2008, 09:41:48 AM »
We must make sure that any islamic immigrants see our laws superseeding islamic law.  Some of these people are barbaric, fanatical and totally illogical.  The US and other western nations must not allow any of this shit in their countries.

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2008, 10:03:50 AM »
Huge, no, I think there isn't a word more fitting than "superior" ("Of greater excellence than another").

Western culture is superior over islamic culture.

We must make sure that any islamic immigrants see our laws superseeding islamic law.  Some of these people are barbaric, fanatical and totally illogical.  The US and other western nations must not allow any of this shit in their countries.

You don't understand islam. You've just asked for something that a muslim can never do whilst actually being a muslim.

The muslim belief is that islamic sharia law is infallible and transcends time (as does everything in the koran). A muslim can't possibly for a second believe man-made laws (English common law which UK/US/Australia/Canada/India implement) are better than the infallible laws of an infallible God.
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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2008, 10:16:19 AM »
Huge, no, I think there isn't a word more fitting than "superior" ("Of greater excellence than another").

Western culture is superior over islamic culture.

You don't understand islam. You've just asked for something that a muslim can never do whilst actually being a muslim.

The muslim belief is that islamic sharia law is infallible and transcends time (as does everything in the koran). A muslim can't possibly for a second believe man-made laws (English common law which UK/US/Australia/Canada/India implement) are better than the infallible laws of an infallible God.
Nordic, this is really semantics... We both agree on "better than."  I just don't like the connotation of "Superior" when talking about the differences between peoples/cultures.  I think you know quite well how easily it gets misused to mean something else.  Can you actually fault me when on the basis we agree?  As I see it now our main difference is that I view history as an important means of understanding and possibly fixing the cultural/religious problems faced today and you don't.  I would like to think I might be able to change your mind in that area.  I know there is a huge problem and I know I don't know the solution, but I definitly know that a great deal of understanding of the problem can be obtained from history and if you seek to solve the problem, you must look to understand how we got here.  I really believe that part is important and I hope you can see why.

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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2008, 10:26:00 AM »
Huge, no, I think there isn't a word more fitting than "superior" ("Of greater excellence than another").

Western culture is superior over islamic culture.

You don't understand islam. You've just asked for something that a muslim can never do whilst actually being a muslim.

The muslim belief is that islamic sharia law is infallible and transcends time (as does everything in the koran). A muslim can't possibly for a second believe man-made laws (English common law which UK/US/Australia/Canada/India implement) are better than the infallible laws of an infallible God.
On a side note, I've always thought of the religions which came out of this region as being the first inventors of the computer virus.  Just my personal LOL way of seeing it.  It sounds kind of silly, but if you think about it, these people wrote things into the word/code designed to not only take over the individual's mind but force the indivdual's mindset into a "need to inject" status where it's not just ok to believe, but you must spead--not totally unlike a computer virus. 

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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 10:30:34 AM »
Good points.

I understand that nordic, thats why we must make it clear to all immigrants and punish those harshly who commit crimes.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2008, 11:40:43 AM »
Nordic, this is really semantics... We both agree on "better than."  I just don't like the connotation of "Superior" when talking about the differences between peoples/cultures.  I think you know quite well how easily it gets misused to mean something else.  Can you actually fault me when on the basis we agree?  As I see it now our main difference is that I view history as an important means of understanding and possibly fixing the cultural/religious problems faced today and you don't.  I would like to think I might be able to change your mind in that area.  I know there is a huge problem and I know I don't know the solution, but I definitly know that a great deal of understanding of the problem can be obtained from history and if you seek to solve the problem, you must look to understand how we got here.  I really believe that part is important and I hope you can see why.

I'm not saying the people are anything other than equals. That would go against everything I have just stated, western culture promotes equality, islamic nations DO NOT. You see, it's the most primitive of humanism that we value and they don't, and that's why culturally we're superior.

Of course I know we can learn from history, that wasn't what I meant - that'd be stupid.
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2008, 11:57:51 AM »
I'm not saying the people are anything other than equals. That would go against everything I have just stated, western culture promotes equality, islamic nations DO NOT. You see, it's the most primitive of humanism that we value and they don't, and that's why culturally we're superior.

Of course I know we can learn from history, that wasn't what I meant - that'd be stupid.
I wasn't saying you meant that, I was telling you why I wouldn't use the word "superior"  It's just to easy to take the other way when there are pleny of other ways to describe the intended.  Superior works for football, it's not the best term to use when we're talking about people and cultures.

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2008, 12:09:19 PM »
sounds reasonable to me

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Re: Saudi man cuts daughter's tongue, burns her to death
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2008, 12:17:57 PM »
sounds reasonable to me

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