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Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« on: August 14, 2008, 05:27:01 PM »
Don't know the validity of the sources, but interesting.


http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html


Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama

Published by Luke Rosiak on August 14, 2008 9:52 AM
During World War II, soldiers crouching in foxholes penned letters assuring their sweethearts that they'd be home soon. Now, between firefights in the Iraqi desert, some infantrymen have been sending a different kind of mail stateside: two or three hundred dollars -- or whatever they can spare -- towards a presidential election that could very well determine just how soon they come home.
 
According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain, and the fiercely anti-war Ron Paul, though he suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination months ago, has received more than four times McCain's haul.
 
Despite McCain's status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall -- whether stationed overseas or at home -- are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama.
 
Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad
Recipient              Total   Number
Obama, Barack   $60,642   134
Paul, Ron        $45,512   99
McCain, John   $10,665   26
Huckabee, Mike   $7,950   10
Thompson, Fred   $6,350   7
Romney, Mitt   $5,550   10
Clinton, Hillary   $3,240   6

With the latest campaign finance filings, detailing June fundraising, McCain has overtaken Paul among all military donors, though Paul still leads with contributors listing an overseas address. Financial support from military personnel for anti-war candidates Obama and Paul is a trend that the Center for Responsive Politics first observed last September.
 
Individuals in the Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps have all leaned Republican this cycle, but the only branch in which that ideology has carried over to the presidential race is the Marine Corps, where McCain leads Obama by about $4,000. In each of the other branches -- including the Navy, in which McCain served when he was taken prisoner during the Vietnam War -- Obama leads by significant margins.
 
"That's shocking. The academic debate is between some who say that junior enlisted ranks lean slightly Republican and some who say it's about equal, but no one would point to six-to-one" in Democrats' favor, said Aaron Belkin, a professor of political science at the University of California who studies the military. "That represents a tremendous shift from 2000, when the military vote almost certainly was decisive in Florida and elsewhere, and leaned heavily towards the Republicans."
 
In 2000, Republican George W. Bush outraised Democrat Al Gore among military personnel almost 2 to 1. In 2004, with the Iraq war underway, John Kerry closed the gap with President Bush, but Bush still raised $1.50 from the military for every $1 his Democratic opponent collected.
 
A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 -- just 323 donations -- should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. "If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger," he said. "Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately."
 
Seeing political activity of any sort among soldiers is notable, Dempsey added. "It's hard to describe how apolitical a lot of the enlisted ranks are. He's worried about other things than following the news."
 
Obama, who opposed the war in Iraq but was not in the Senate when it was authorized, has said that as president, he would withdraw most troops from Iraq within about 16 months. McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and a staunch proponent of the Iraq war, has resisted setting a timeline for withdrawal.
 
CRP's totals based on employer are limited to donors contributing more than $200, since information is not provided to the Federal Election Commission for smaller contributions. So these figures are likely to disproportionately represent the mood of officers, who have more disposable income to spend on politics than do the lower ranks. But because young people tend to be more liberal than their elders, the total dollar figures could lean even more in Obama's favor.
 
"One possibly mundane explanation (for the tilt in contributions from deployed soldiers) is that the Obama campaign has just been so much savvier with web-based donors. It may be a logistical question," Belkin pointed out.
 
Army Specialist Jay Navas contributed $250 while deployed in Iraq, but it wasn't over the Internet. "It took some effort to get that check. I had my mom send me my checkbook and I walked to the post office in Camp Liberty in Baghdad with an envelope addressed to Barack Obama in Chicago, Illinois," he said. "He was right on Iraq long when others were jumping into the sea like lemmings, and that's hard to do. We're soldiers and we respect courage."
 
Only the Coast Guard prefers Democrats across the board, with 78 percent of employees' total federal contributions going to members of that party, and Obama beating McCain $7,795 to $250. Navas anecdotally confirmed that soldiers are often conservative but that many are making an exception in the presidential race. "Most of my friends are conservative Republicans and they say, 'I'm voting for Barack.' McCain does not have a lock on the military vote, that's for sure," he said. "We'll complete our duty -- I'm deploying next year -- because it's a commitment I made to the nation, not to a president. But we all know that Iraq was a big mistake."
 
The decisions of the U.S. government affect Navas more than most Americans, he said.
 
"What happens politically in America affects us immediately," he said. "As soon as the surge was ordered, my tour was extended, just by a pronouncement from the president. For very few Americans can the president say something and your lives are changed."

Contributions from All Military Personnel
Recipient                             Total   Number
Obama, Barack                   $335,536   859
McCain, John                   $280,513   558
Paul, Ron                           $232,411   537
Clinton, Hillary                   $167,050   376
Republican National Cmte   $135,902   219
Huckabee, Mike                   $66,751   127
Thompson, Fred                   $46,400   93
Romney, Mitt                   $43,307   96
Giuliani, Rudolph W           $22,050   47
National Republican Senatorial Cmte   $21,885   26
DNC Services Corp           $16,873   53


Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 06:04:32 PM »
I wonder if their votes will actually get counted this time?

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 08:22:27 PM »
Powell endorses Obama, and he's a "traitor", right?

Does that mean that 5 out of 6 troops who donate to the American political process while risking their lives for our freedoms are alwao "traitors"?

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 08:49:47 PM »
Powell endorses Obama, and he's a "traitor", right?

Does that mean that 5 out of 6 troops who donate to the American political process while risking their lives for our freedoms are alwao "traitors"?


In coach's mind i'm sure they are.

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 08:51:46 PM »

In coach's mind i'm sure they are.

So one can hate the troops and still be patriotic?


Does this mean Obama loves america?

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 10:45:39 PM »
Where's our resident GI Joe to comment on this?
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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 11:28:24 PM »
Over 800 of the well over a million active duty and reserves donated to Obama?  Big deal.

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008, 12:46:33 AM »
Over 800 of the well over a million active duty and reserves donated to Obama?  Big deal.

Now I could be wrong Beach Bum, but I think you missed the point.  ??? ;D
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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008, 01:23:32 AM »
Now I could be wrong Beach Bum, but I think you missed the point.  ??? ;D

Which was? 

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 01:27:38 AM »
Out of US troops in Iraq who are donating to a presidential candidate, Obama received donations 6:1 over McCain.

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 01:30:19 AM »
Out of US troops in Iraq who are donating to a presidential candidate, Obama received donations 6:1 over McCain.



And when you put that "6:1" ratio in context, as I did, it means nothing.  You had 800 guys out of well over a million donate.  Again I say big deal. 

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 01:57:32 AM »
Those donating troops could be a good indication of Obamas military popularity overall.

From the poll in your thread; "Poll: McCain, Obama in Dead Heat" 

"Results for this survey are based on telephone interviews conducted under the direction of Abt SRBI, Inc., among a nationwide sample of 2,905 adults, 18 years of age or older,"

US Population over 18 years of age =  around 224548863
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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 03:48:28 AM »
Those donating troops could be a good indication of Obamas military popularity overall.

From the poll in your thread; "Poll: McCain, Obama in Dead Heat" 

"Results for this survey are based on telephone interviews conducted under the direction of Abt SRBI, Inc., among a nationwide sample of 2,905 adults, 18 years of age or older,"

US Population over 18 years of age =  around 224548863

Polls only matter when they show things tied.
Polls that show Obama leadin gin money mean nothing.

Small slices of the population used to survey thoughts of the bigger group are only accurate when they make mccain look good.

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 06:48:32 AM »
The message here is that the military is getting tired of being sacrificial pawns for politicians of both parties.

They want the conflicts overseas to come to a close and for our "allies" to nut up and do their share.

Because Ron Paul isn't the GOP nominee they have to take a hard look at a socialist like Obama.


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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 08:17:22 AM »
If you think about it......


If the Media is proven to be liberal based on it's donations then the US military is liberal also.

"I'm tired of the liberal military running things!"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH


suckers  ;D

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2008, 10:44:52 AM »
If you think about it......


If the Media is proven to be liberal based on it's donations then the US military is liberal also.

"I'm tired of the liberal military running things!"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH


suckers  ;D

I can assure you, Oz, the majority of men and women in uniform are NOT socialists.

Liberal? Sure... the good kind but not definitely not socialists.


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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2008, 10:46:39 AM »
 To put these irrelevant numbers in more context, if you add up the total contributions to respective Democrat and Republican candidates and entities, it comes out like this:

Democrats
1314 donations

Republicans
1677 donations

If you look at just the entities, it shows:

RNC/National Republican Senatorial Committee
245 donations

DNC Services Corp
53 donations

This establishes what exactly?

This is an issue for suckers.   :D
 

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2008, 11:46:12 AM »
I can assure you, Oz, the majority of men and women in uniform are NOT socialists.

Liberal? Sure... the good kind but not definitely not socialists.



I'm not suggesting they are, i just think the whole thing is funny.

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2008, 11:52:53 AM »
I'm not suggesting they are, i just think the whole thing is funny.

oh... okay... lol  :)

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2008, 03:11:27 PM »
Yeah...ok. I'm currently in a military school where we discuss some of this as part of the curriculum. Most of the students are either senior NCO's or officers and most are reservists with 2 or more tours overseas. One student will serve as part of the US military security detail for the DNC. I can tell u nobody here is voting Obama, most appear to have been Romney guys. Junior enlisted don't give to presidential campaigns.
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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2008, 03:16:36 PM »
Also I'd like to see proof, there are no quotes from anybody but Obama supporters, totally one guy. They mention this "According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics,"..what the hell is that. But besides all that, why is this important, its not except Obama is trying really really hard to pretend we like him. Nobody is running with this. 
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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2008, 03:34:47 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Responsive_Politics



The Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) is a nonpartisan research group based in Washington, D.C. that tracks money in politics, and the effect of money on elections and public policy.[1] Founded in 1983, the nonprofit Center aims to create a more educated voter, an involved citizenry and a more responsive government. CRP’s website OpenSecrets.org has won four Webby Awards (2001, 2002, 2006, 2007) for being the best politics site online. Support for CRP comes from a combination of foundation grants and individual contributions. The Center accepts no contributions from businesses, trade associations or labor unions.

OpenSecrets.org is the online incarnation of a project the Center launched on paper in the 1980s. OpenSecrets.org provides freely available, databases to track federal campaign contributions and lobbying in a variety of ways, such as by industry and interest group. Other popular resources include the personal financial disclosures of every member of Congress, the President and top members of the administration. Users can also search their own ZIP codes to learn how their neighbors are distributing their political contributions.

Sheila Krumholz has been the Center's executive director since December 2006, having served for eight years as CRP’s Research Director. She first joined the CRP staff in 1989 and was assistant editor of the very first edition of the printed volume of Open Secrets.

On October 30, 2007, the Center's communications director, Massie Ritsch, was featured on the Colbert Report.

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2008, 04:48:04 PM »
Yeah..and. i read the same thing. U guys can wish Obama into the center all u want......but we don't vote for scumbag appeasers.
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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2008, 05:18:25 PM »
Yeah..and. i read the same thing. U guys can wish Obama into the center all u want......but we don't vote for scumbag appeasers.

 Riiiiiiight. And what have Georgie-boy and Cunnilingus Rice been doing for the past couple of months?

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Re: Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2008, 05:23:16 PM »
Who.....what......u have zero clue what ur talking about. I guess u want a war in Iran but no war in iraq or we should invade Russia to help Georgia...please outline with ur vast military experience we should do that. Gas is 111 a barrel...be happy.
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