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believing and knowing
« on: August 15, 2008, 07:15:50 PM »
R to different things.
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2008, 02:19:48 PM »
ok ill spell it out you can believe in heavin,hell,or that god exists (whatever god u choose)but no matter how strong your faith no one knows for sure.
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2008, 03:45:46 PM »
ok ill spell it out you can believe in heavin,hell,or that god exists (whatever god u choose)but no matter how strong your faith no one knows for sure.

Yes but can you name one thing you know for sure?

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2008, 03:48:14 PM »
yea theres lots of scientific facts.need me to name some.
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2008, 04:04:32 PM »
yea theres lots of scientific facts.need me to name some.

But you could be dreaming all of that.

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2008, 04:13:33 PM »
I'm serious, how do you know?

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2008, 04:17:09 PM »
I'm serious, how do you know?

like man dreamed up religion?
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2008, 04:27:17 PM »
like man dreamed up religion?

Or his whole existance, how do you know?

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2008, 04:29:48 PM »
Or his whole existance, how do you know?

you ever take acid?
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2008, 04:33:03 PM »
you ever take acid?

That's not an answer, that's a question.

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 04:45:57 PM »
That's not an answer, that's a question.

a question ain't really a question if you know the answer to
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2008, 04:55:08 PM »
a question ain't really a question if you know the answer to

So the answer is, you don't know, right?

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2008, 03:40:23 AM »
 i just woke up haha
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2008, 10:31:52 AM »
i just woke up haha

Yes but maybe you just woke up from one dream to another. Happens all the time.

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2008, 10:29:26 AM »
Yes but maybe you just woke up from one dream to another. Happens all the time.
i know i exist or i wouldnt be witnessing my existence. You also say alot without saying anything of substance it seems. There is no evidence this is a dream as we experience dreams and can view people in this state, all avalible evidence points to this being reality with consequences and we can manipulate dream states. Remove your pineal gland and see how much you dream.

you could continue being elusive but if you want to be obtuse and ring around the fringes of what is absolute etc... be my guest.

richard fenyman knows what it is like to KNOW something, intensive study and evidence is all that is required. Beleiving in nonprovable concepts is departing from reality, come join us.

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2008, 10:32:36 AM »
i know i exist or i wouldnt be witnessing my existence. You also say alot without saying anything of substance it seems. There is no evidence this is a dream as we experience dreams and can view people in this state, all avalible evidence points to this being reality with consequences and we can manipulate dream states. Remove your pineal gland and see how much you dream.

you could continue being elusive but if you want to be obtuse and ring around the fringes of what is absolute etc... be my guest.

richard fenyman knows what it is like to KNOW something, intensive study and evidence is all that is required. Beleiving in nonprovable concepts is departing from reality, come join us.

thanks kinda got tired of this guy.didnt feel like typing that much
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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2008, 03:44:36 PM »
i know i exist or i wouldnt be witnessing my existence. You also say alot without saying anything of substance it seems. There is no evidence this is a dream as we experience dreams and can view people in this state, all avalible evidence points to this being reality with consequences and we can manipulate dream states. Remove your pineal gland and see how much you dream.

you could continue being elusive but if you want to be obtuse and ring around the fringes of what is absolute etc... be my guest.

richard fenyman knows what it is like to KNOW something, intensive study and evidence is all that is required. Beleiving in nonprovable concepts is departing from reality, come join us.

I can vaguely remember that we discussed this topic before. :D

I agree, we know that we exist. But that knowledge does not come from within the realm of science, a realm itself completely embedded within and existing only because of the consciousness which must be there in the first place. The certainty with which you are able to say "I exist", can never be derived from scientific theories. The "evidence" you speak of is restricted to the scientific aspect of the world, which by definition of science is exactly that - one aspect. Regarding "nonprovable concepts", science by definition never delivers any prove. The only absolute truth there is must therefore be found somewhere else. And absolute truth does exist, without any doubt.

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Re: believing and knowing
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2008, 03:53:08 PM »
thanks kinda got tired of this guy.didnt feel like typing that much

Sorry, I was just messing around, you're right of course.
How could you be tired if you were sleeping already.  :)