More Moslem love. Torture chamber found INSIDE mosque.

[George Whorewell]

Telling the truth is racism.

To the individual claiming we are just get big racists, answer me three simple questions-

1) What religion from its very text promotes violence, rape and slavery which is practiced in 2008?
     
(PS, dont even think of invoking something from the old testament, that would be irrelevant to this question because I asked about its practice in 2008)

2) What religion from its very text advocates the murder of innocent people, non-adherants to its faith and anyone else as long as the murder is carried out in the name of this religions so called spirtual founder?

3) What religion is a threat to the security and safety of the entire planets population regardless of age, gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion?


Now, before you deny the obvious and start rattling off fallacious examples about the crusades ( which were in response to muslim agression and happened more than 500 years ago), the spanish inquistion ( which killed less than 20,000 over the course of more than a decade and also happened hundreds of years ago) or any other irrelevant and totally misplaced comparison... Look in the mirror and ask yourself if you cant reasonably tell the difference. If you can't your simply dishonest or too stupid to make rational judgements.

[youandme]

It must feel good knowing of all the people to back up your comments its the local getbig racists. 99.9% of anything you guys contribute to the board is hate and fear mongering. What a bunch of unhappy douchbags.

This is yet another example of an appeasing liberal trying to refute fact, and reality with anything but fact and reality. Please post additional information that proves Islam is "the religion of peace"

No, citing a pop up picture book won't do.

[Nordic Superman]

Awe... the poor Indian has taken a beat down here

Can't refute the assertions, so calls those people racists! What a wondering liberal apologetic debating tactic!

Just noticed Bindare's avatar is "Question Everything" - obviously not when muslims or islam is concerned.

Scumbag.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Awe... the poor Indian has taken a beat down here

Can't refute the assertions, so calls those people racists! What a wondering liberal apologetic debating tactic!

Just noticed Bindare's avatar is "Question Everything" - obviously not when muslims or islam is concerned.

Scumbag.

I work 12+ hours a day running a business you twat. I don't have time to fuck around on getbig/stormfront all day trying to change people's narrow point of view, you  and a few others seem to have all the time in the world. But when your that stupid I guess finding a job is pretty much out of the question, so what else do you have to do with your time other than talk about the same shit dayin, day out?

[Nordic Superman]

I work 12+ hours a day running a business you twat. I don't have time to fuck around on getbig/stormfront all day trying to change people's narrow point of view, you  and a few others seem to have all the time in the world. But when your that stupid I guess finding a job is pretty much out of the question, so what else do you have to do with your time other than talk about the same shit dayin, day out?

Yet more senseless ad hominem drivel.

I never visit "stormfront". You have trouble refuting the FACTs in this thread, but sure like making stupid assumptions and assertions.

Haha, "your that stupid", boy, this thread isn't going well for you is it?

I work as a software engineer, so I can't be THAT stupid.

Start refuting the points, if not, FUCK OFF twat.

[24KT]

Berzerk relax. Lots of Churches, Synogouges and Buddist/ Hindu temples have torture rooms. Its normal. Stop singling out Islam. Come on guy.

When I was 13, ...my aunt made me attend Vacation Bible school every single bloody day in a Baptist church in Connecticut that my uncle was the minister of. That entire place was one big torture room! {shudder}

[24KT]

haha, exactly.

I drove by a evangelical church today, and saw they had beheaded someone, and sewn a women's mouth shut.

Totally normal

Well it's not like you haven't been trying to do that to me for a couple years now.

[Nordic Superman]

Jag, why don't you fuck off?

Both of the above statements play a great disservice to the poor fuckers who got brutally slaughtered in a mosque.

You're compare yourself to that? Why don't you fuck off and try to milk this atrocity as a business venture, like you do with oil and SARS?

[Fury]

When I was 13, ...my aunt made me attend Vacation Bible school every single bloody day in a Baptist church in Connecticut that my uncle was the minister of. That entire place was one big torture room! {shudder}

Hey ape, do me a favor and stfu or get out of my thread. IQ's over 100 only. Disgusting how you're comparing you having to study to having your bodyparts chopped off, hung, tortured or beheaded. Only from a woman who tries to claim she's intelligent while peddling gas caps and herbal cures for SARS alongside a criminal.

[Nordic Superman]

Hey ape, do me a favor and stfu or get out of my thread. IQ's over 100 only. Disgusting how you're comparing you having to study to having your bodyparts chopped off, hung, tortured or beheaded. Only from a woman who tries to claim she's intelligent while peddling gas caps and herbal cures for SARS alongside a criminal.

Yes, you would think a person with 160 IQ would understand the mutual exclusivity in severity between having to go to Church and being tortured and butchered.

[Fury]

Yes, you would think a person with 160 IQ would understand the mutual exclusivity in severity between having to go to Church and being tortured and butchered.

I guess when you wake up in a haze every day as your non-existent life of peddling herbal products and staging conference calls with fake doctors that it's to be expected. 

[Slapper]

Great point. PROTOTYPICAL Muslim defense.

I'd say LOGICAL defense. But hey, continue on your crusade, you (the Israeli taliban wannabes) and the Israeli talibans. I have no no doubt in my mind that given a choice between saving the US or Israel you'd choose Israel in a heartbeat. That is what I call a real patriot. But hey, your neck is safe for now that US and Israeli interests coincide. I'd like to see what rock you're going to hide under when these interests collide. 'Cause we'll be coming after you then... you know that right?.

"Well, they did it so and so years ago so it's ok for us to do it in 2008." What a sorry argument. That's how four year olds conduct themselves. Just because someone did it 50 or 700 years ago doesn't make it right today.

Ok, let me see... half of the people in power are older than 50... Yup, pretty dumb argument indeed. What happened 50 years ago is indeed a stupid thing to bring up precisely because it shows us doing exactly what we now so adamantly oppose and critizize. Hence it does not help your argument and it must then be disregarded as an invalid point. Dude, your arguments get better every day!

Love the fundamentalist ideology that makes itself apparent every single time Islam is presented in a bad light. Even funnier is that it's self-loathing muslims always defending terrorism and torture while they claim that they don't practice or aren't muslim. 

I'll have you know that the INMENSE majority of muslims oppose terrorism. At the same time, they oppose the US actions in their territories, but since Bush just grabbed another new doctrine out of his ass called "you're either our friend or our enemy" all muslims are now considered terrorists. Yes, islam has its flaws like any other religion, but muslims are, like all other people, first and foremost HUMANS. And as humans they must be treated.

[Slapper]

How is it hate when 99% of what I post is factual and backed up by mountains of evidence?[...]

What?!!!!!!

Talk about being pulled over by the weight of your own balls!!!

[Slapper]

Wow, this takes the cake. You are utter scum aren't you?

Nazism isn't inspired by religion. [...]

No it is not, you're right on that. But Hitler and his boys sure exploited a millenia-held belief all over Europe that Jews were the devil. And the church played an intricate part ALL OVER EUROPE pointing out the ones who never attended their masses. This is A FACT. The same way the Catholic church in Spain singled out the communists and leftist to Franco's boys.

You have to be blind not to see this.

[Slapper]

Telling the truth is racism.

To the individual claiming we are just get big racists, answer me three simple questions-

1) What religion from its very text promotes violence, rape and slavery which is practiced in 2008?
     
(PS, dont even think of invoking something from the old testament, that would be irrelevant to this question because I asked about its practice in 2008)

2) What religion from its very text advocates the murder of innocent people, non-adherants to its faith and anyone else as long as the murder is carried out in the name of this religions so called spirtual founder?

3) What religion is a threat to the security and safety of the entire planets population regardless of age, gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion?


Now, before you deny the obvious and start rattling off fallacious examples about the crusades ( which were in response to muslim agression and happened more than 500 years ago), the spanish inquistion ( which killed less than 20,000 over the course of more than a decade and also happened hundreds of years ago) or any other irrelevant and totally misplaced comparison... Look in the mirror and ask yourself if you cant reasonably tell the difference. If you can't your simply dishonest or too stupid to make rational judgements.

Let me sum it up for you...

DO YOU CONSIDER MUSLIMS HUMAN BEINGS?

Please do not tell me that that is not the point, just answer the question.

[Fury]

Talk about a misconstrued, uninformed Muslim meltdown. Calm down Slapper, no one is going to read that bullshit. I saw you throwing around more accusations (without supporting any of them with actual evidence) while crying Jew this, Jew that.

Why don't you Muslims stop trying to derail this thread? Your people are fucked in the head beyond belief, in this day and age, 2008. It's not 1944, not 1400, not 2000 B.C.




Muslims defense tactics. When the truth is shown in light, deflect attention, blame Jews and the USA, compare the events of an entire religion in 2008 to the events of 60+ years ago, try to insult said thread starter with lies and fallacies, provide no evidence to back up claims, and bombard the thread with a multitude of posts to derail. You're an angry little raghead, ain't ya Slapper? The big, bad West is out to get you!


4 year old Muslim (Slapper/Jag/Bindare) argument: Well, 800 years ago the Christians killed some Muslims in the crusades, so in 2008 it's perfectly OK for Moslems to run around chopping heads off and blowing up women and children. LOL. Love the GED's those three are packing.

[Nordic Superman]

I'd say LOGICAL defense. But hey, continue on your crusade, you (the Israeli taliban wannabes) and the Israeli talibans. I have no no doubt in my mind that given a choice between saving the US or Israel you'd choose Israel in a heartbeat. That is what I call a real patriot. But hey, your neck is safe for now that US and Israeli interests coincide. I'd like to see what rock you're going to hide under when these interests collide. 'Cause we'll be coming after you then... you know that right?.

Ok, let me see... half of the people in power are older than 50... Yup, pretty dumb argument indeed. What happened 50 years ago is indeed a stupid thing to bring up precisely because it shows us doing exactly what we now so adamantly oppose and critizize. Hence it does not help your argument and it must then be disregarded as an invalid point. Dude, your arguments get better every day!

I'll have you know that the INMENSE majority of muslims oppose terrorism. At the same time, they oppose the US actions in their territories, but since Bush just grabbed another new doctrine out of his ass called "you're either our friend or our enemy" all muslims are now considered terrorists. Yes, islam has its flaws like any other religion, but muslims are, like all other people, first and foremost HUMANS. And as humans they must be treated.

It's not a logical defense AT ALL. It's a simple straw man argument.

If person criticises islamism in today's world, then an opponent of that view brings something up from the far past (Crusades - which were actually defensive, you should thank your lucky stars they occurred) or something that the ignorant believe to resemble islamism such as Nazism (which is mistakenly associated with Christianity) or Zionism (Judaism). The reason idiots create a straw man argument is because a supposed resembling issue is easier to refute and appears to dismantle the other persons position. Time an time again we see this, not once have I seen islamism debated mutually exclusive of that of historical events HUNDREDS of years ago.

Simply IRRELEVANT.

"IMMENSE" majority? Why are you propagating flat out lies? Honestly, you might dislike the anti-islamist position, but lying to formulate an argument? That's one of the attributes of a low life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/29/thinktanks.religion
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/010115.php
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article682599.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/2461830/Killing-for-religion-is-justified-say-third-of-Muslim-students.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/27/islam.highereducation
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2244293620070522

No it is not, you're right on that. But Hitler and his boys sure exploited a millenia-held belief all over Europe that Jews were the devil. And the church played an intricate part ALL OVER EUROPE pointing out the ones who never attended their masses. This is A FACT. The same way the Catholic church in Spain singled out the communists and leftist to Franco's boys.

You have to be blind not to see this.

How about the substantial amount of hate directed in the koran in the direction of Jews? How about the Jews of the Arabic peninsula were massacred and/or forced to leave?

You know extremely little on this subject and it shows with the "IMMENSELY" weak arguments you're giving.

[Slapper]

Talk about a misconstrued, uninformed Muslim meltdown. Calm down Slapper, no one is going to read that bullshit. I saw you throwing around more accusations (without supporting any of them with actual evidence) while crying Jew this, Jew that.

Why don't you Muslims stop trying to derail this thread? Your people are fucked in the head beyond belief, in this day and age, 2008. It's not 1944, not 1400, not 2000 B.C.

I've told you about 100 times I am Roman Catholic and you're still saying I am a Muslim. That pretty much says it all. Dude, are you that out of touch with reality?

Muslims defense tactics. When the truth is shown in light, deflect attention, blame Jews and the USA, compare the events of an entire religion in 2008 to the events of 60+ years ago, try to insult said thread starter with lies and fallacies, provide no evidence to back up claims, and bombard the thread with a multitude of posts to derail. You're an angry little raghead, ain't ya Slapper? The big, bad West is out to get you!

No, what I am saying is that you should stop this madness, because this very same hate that is now being stirred up to FORCE us to hate another group of people (which now happens to be Muslims, while it used to be the Russians and the Germans before that) will be one day turned onto the Jews and all non-Christians. So unless you want to be made into soap, burned to a crisp or forced to smell Sarin gas in a basement somewhere in southern Montana, I suggest you get on the side of common sense. I can't say it any clearer.

4 year old Muslim (Slapper/Jag/Bindare) argument: Well, 800 years ago the Christians killed some Muslims in the crusades, so in 2008 it's perfectly OK for Moslems to run around chopping heads off and blowing up women and children. LOL. Love the GED's those three are packing.

No, you're totally out of touch with reality. I never said it was OK to walk around chopping heads (or worst) in the name of Allah, Jesus Christ or Budha. What I am saying, I mean pointing out, is the fact that it is MIGHTY HYPOCHRITICAL of us to look at what is going on in Islamic societies and criticize it as though US CHRISTIANS had not done even WORST, which we have.

We also have something to do with the current state of affairs in the Islamic world. I mean, many scholars agree that, back in the first few decades of the XX century, Islamic societies were in the brink becoming secular states, totally eradicating religion from all layers of society, some through internal revolts, revolutions and coup d'estat. Lo and behold we find oil in the area and watch us and the British put in power some of the most ruthless head-choppers even Mohamed would be salivating over. We even support some of these motherfuckers nowadays (as in the case of Saudi Arabia).

In any case, come a conflict between the US and Israel, would you fight for Israel or the USA?

[Slapper]

It's not a logical defense AT ALL. It's a simple straw man argument.

If person criticises islamism in today's world, then an opponent of that view brings something up from the far past (Crusades - which were actually defensive, you should thank your lucky stars they occurred) or something that the ignorant believe to resemble islamism such as Nazism (which is mistakenly associated with Christianity) or Zionism (Judaism). The reason idiots create a straw man argument is because a supposed resembling issue is easier to refute and appears to dismantle the other persons position. Time an time again we see this, not once have I seen islamism debated mutually exclusive of that of historical events HUNDREDS of years ago.

Simply IRRELEVANT.

"IMMENSE" majority? Why are you propagating flat out lies? Honestly, you might dislike the anti-islamist position, but lying to formulate an argument? That's one of the attributes of a low life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/29/thinktanks.religion
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/010115.php
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article682599.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/2461830/Killing-for-religion-is-justified-say-third-of-Muslim-students.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/27/islam.highereducation
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2244293620070522

How about the substantial amount of hate directed in the koran in the direction of Jews? How about the Jews of the Arabic peninsula were massacred and/or forced to leave?

You know extremely little on this subject and it shows with the "IMMENSELY" weak arguments you're giving.

Let me put it to you in simple terms...


Let's say you're about to enter your 10th Olympia having won the past 9. You're the heavy favorite and by the looks of it, after prejudging, you've got this one in the pocket too. Lo and behold Dorian Yates picks up the microphone and critizises all your succeses in front of the audience by saying that you used steroids. Dorian goes on TV and does the same day in and day out.

What would you say about Dorian?

Aside from this simple fact, do you have ANY FACTS from the Islamic media? I mean, all your links look nice and credible, but it'd be good to hear from the other side too. Don't ya think? I mean, I understand you only take into account what WE say, but... just for fairness sake.

[Slapper]

Some people here have obvious problems reading. The very same people who are so happy and proactive in pointing out the flaws in another religion are stubbornly incapable and unwilling to take a look at our past and admit the obvious. This ought to be a red flag, A WARNING, to all people who side with rationality.

To say, to imply or to insinuate (with the use of "facts") that the majority of Muslims side with terrorism is just downright wrong. Do Muslim fathers and mothers want their kids or someone else's kids blown up in suicide bombings? NO! Do Muslim fathers and mothers love their kids as much as we love ours? You betcha!

The Nazism argument that someone "associated" this to Christianity... I mean, are they fucking for real? Are they seriously this INCAPABLE OF BASIC READING?! The fact that the church played an intricate part in pointing out the Jews in every town, looking the other way when all these attrocities were being commited and later speaking out against them as though they had nothing to do with them is KNOWN TO MANY PEOPLE. 

And worst of all, some of individuals post links as "fact" when upon closer look they have very little to do with the subject at hand.

Lie after lie after lie.

[24KT]

Some people here have obvious problems reading. The very same people who are so happy and proactive in pointing out the flaws in another religion are stubbornly incapable and unwilling to take a look at our past and admit the obvious. This ought to be a red flag, A WARNING, to all people who side with rationality.

To say, to imply or to insinuate (with the use of "facts") that the majority of Muslims side with terrorism is just downright wrong. Do Muslim fathers and mothers want their kids or someone else's kids blown up in suicide bombings? NO! Do Muslim fathers and mothers love their kids as much as we love ours? You betcha!

The Nazism argument that someone "associated" this to Christianity... I mean, are they fucking for real? Are they seriously this INCAPABLE OF BASIC READING?! The fact that the church played an intricate part in pointing out the Jews in every town, looking the other way when all these attrocities were being commited and later speaking out against them as though they had nothing to do with them is KNOWN TO MANY PEOPLE. 

And worst of all, some of individuals post links as "fact" when upon closer look they have very little to do with the subject at hand.

Lie after lie after lie.

What however is not as widely known to people is the price Germans paid for the complicity of the Catholic church,
...and are still paying to this day.

You see, there was a price the Catholic church demanded in exchange for looking the other way. A portion of all tax revenue from the German people was diverted to the Catholic church. Special commemorative rosary beads with swastikas were issued to commemorate this, and to this day, the Catholic church still continues to receive a portion of all the taxes paid by German citizens.

Deals like this have existed all throughout history.

Ask yourself how such a tiny 'nation state' like the Vatican can amass such great wealth and such vast worldwide property holdings? One might just want to take a little peek underneath the Pope's robes to see what's been hidden for so many years.

[Nordic Superman]

The analogy is pathetic, not even responding to it.

In regards to the islamic media, I the information is out-there. Hours of footage of Saudi / Hamas / Iranian media displaying programs with islamist agendas.

I never said the majority of muslims side with terrorism but a large enough minority do.

The Nazi issue again - Christian theology doesn't promote Nazism - islamic ideology attacks non-muslims comprehensively. Tho with you assertion you still provide no references.

You criticise Christians ONCE AGAIN in defence of islamism (like pointing fingers on playground: "he did it too, so don't punish me") via historic references - you cannot comprehend that that is a straw man argument.

Where are my lies? You're acting like an intellectual coward, no substance, just ad hominem attacks, lies and when it comes down to it a desire to stop critical discussion of islam.

Seriously, start refuting my assertions.

What however is not as widely known to people is the price Germans paid for the complicity of the Catholic church,
...and are still paying to this day.

You see, there was a price the Catholic church demanded in exchange for looking the other way. A portion of all tax revenue from the German people was diverted to the Catholic church. Special commemorative rosary beads with swastikas were issued to commemorate this, and to this day, the Catholic church still continues to receive a portion of all the taxes paid by German citizens.

Deals like this have existed all throughout history.

Ask yourself how such a tiny 'nation state' like the Vatican can amass such great wealth and such vast worldwide property holdings? One might just want to take a little peek underneath the Pope's robes to see what's been hidden for so many years.

The actions of men do not speak for Christianity here, that coming from me an atheist.

Anti non-muslim is prevalent throughout the koran, its embedded in the core ideology.

Don't get me started on the jizya Jews were FORCED to pay in the Arabic peninsula that provided the resources to systematically slaughter and persecute them out.

[24KT]

The actions of men do not speak for Christianity here, that coming from me an atheist.

...however you say the actions of men DO speak for Islam? Is that the jest of your statement?

Don't get me started on the jizya Jews were FORCED to pay in the Arabic peninsula that provided the resources to systematically slaughter and persecute them out.

Pretty ironic isn't it? Reminds me of my girlfriends family.
They had a business that actually supplied the Nazi war machine ...til they were forced to flee for their own lives.

[Nordic Superman]

...however you say the actions of men DO speak for Islam? Is that the jest of your statement?

In regards to Christianity's relationship Nazism that is exactly my assertion.

E.g. Nazis ideology isn't compatible with Christian doctrine.

Hilarious of the original debate in this thread has been taken of course by far lefties wanting to end critical discussion of islam.

Just weak and poor understanding of the topic in discussion.

[24KT]

Jag, why don't you fuck off?

Both of the above statements play a great disservice to the poor fuckers who got brutally slaughtered in a mosque.

Oh Puleaze Nordic, ...save the phony compassion for someone who will actually fall for it.
Having read your statements thus far, ...I know you don't give two poops about those who got slaughtered,
...because those who did were muslims.

You're compare yourself to that? Why don't you fuck off and try to milk this atrocity as a business venture, like you do with oil and SARS?

Every cloud has a silver lining.... and if I have the ability to turn a negative into a positive, or to make lemons out of lemonade, ...I will, ...and I will make no apologies for it.  That's simply the way of the Universe. That's how God created it. God never created a bottom without a top, ...an up without a down.

What you call milking, ...I call transformation.

There are plenty of attrocities taking place throughout the world.
What have you done to transform attrocities into something positive that can leave a lasting legacy?