Obama Snubs U.S. Soldiers...Twice

[mightymouse72]

Disgraceful


Calling their convention "America's Townhall" takes a lot of chutzpah given Barack Obama refused to do a series of townhalls with McCain. But not as much as declining to do a townhall with U.S. soldiers because of a "previously scheduled commitment" and then jetting off to Hawaii for a vacation.

Last month, Obama refused to do a military townhall for 6,000 veterans, service members, and military families at Fort Hood, Texas. That event would have taken place tonight, (August 11) but Obama spokesman, Phillip Carter, said at the time Obama couldn't make it because “we unfortunately had a previously scheduled commitment on the date proposed.” But Obama doesn't have another event scheduled for this evening -- he's busy bodyboarding in Hawaii.

Let's get this straight: When Obama visits Europe, he'd rather address German hipsters than soldiers who were injured while fighting in Iraq. And now that he's back in America, he'd rather vacation in Hawaii than answer questions that our soldiers and their families have for him. Is there anything that would convince the self-proclaimed presumptive president that he'll have to address this country's military before he'll be ready to lead?



http://thehill.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75398&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=31
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/12/us/politics/12obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[Decker]

What's so disgraceful?

The soldiers seem to support Obama more than McCain anyways.

Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET 
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html

I like the  'body-boarding' touch myself...in Hawaii no less.  It really reeks of something an elitest liberal would do instead of visiting the troops.  What a snob.

[Dos Equis]

What's so disgraceful?

The soldiers seem to support Obama more than McCain anyways.

Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET 
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html

I like the  'body-boarding' touch myself...in Hawaii no less.  It really reeks of something an elitest liberal would do instead of visiting the troops.  What a snob.

It's disgraceful that he cares more about smiling for the cameras to help his campaign than spending time with the troops, while at same time campaigning to be CIC.

A whopping 859 service members donated to Obama.  Stop the presses.  I think someone like headhunter, who is with the troops daily, has a more accurate assessment of who they support. 

[youandme]

The soldiers seem to support Obama more than McCain anyways.
 

HH6 just explained how wrong this was last week. Do I need to pull up the thread?

[mightymouse72]

My original point was to show how this socialist dope treats the military and their families, not to argue how much money they do or don’t send him or McCain. 
Doesn’t matter if they send him a billion dollars.  It's quite obvious what he thinks of them.

[Fury]

What's so disgraceful?

The soldiers seem to support Obama more than McCain anyways.

Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET 
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html

I like the  'body-boarding' touch myself...in Hawaii no less.  It really reeks of something an elitest liberal would do instead of visiting the troops.  What a snob.

Yes, of course it's not disgraceful to you. You're the same twat rallying behind a guy who fathers a kid out of wedlock while his wife is dying and then lying to 300 million people about it to boot.

[240 is Back]

Another weak issue tha tyou try to make important - clouding what matters

What is disgraceful?  He just returned from a tour of the world, meeting a shitload of troops in the green zone.

He has worked every day this year, and is finally taking one week off before returning to work for the remaining 5 months.

Both he AND mccain should take more breaks.  I'm sure there are a hundred VFWs in every state that will invite obama to speak. 

[youandme]

Another weak issue tha tyou try to make important - clouding what matters

Actually, troops matter the most.

As the highest ranking official Obama will be commander in chief, it's important he shows his respect to the troops so they know he has their unwavring support.

What issue of this do you think is clouded? Makes no sense

[mightymouse72]

Another weak issue tha tyou try to make important - clouding what matters

What is disgraceful?  He just returned from a tour of the world, meeting a shitload of troops in the green zone.

He has worked every day this year, and is finally taking one week off before returning to work for the remaining 5 months.

Both he AND mccain should take more breaks.  I'm sure there are a hundred VFWs in every state that will invite obama to speak. 

You have completely missed the point.  You are trying to defend something that is indefensible. 
The organizers tried to plan this months in advance.  Below is another article on the subject before the Obama campaign stated where he would be on that particular date. 



Obama Won’t Meet with Military Families

A coalition of military support groups have invited Barack Obama and John McCain to participate at a town hall-type meeting in Belton, Texas on August 11.  Belton is just down the road from Fort Hood, the Army’s largest post.  The event organizers estimate that up to 800 of the service members who have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan have come through Fort Hood. 

The town hall meeting will be attended by 6,000 military family members, veterans and service members.  McCain has agreed to participate, but Obama has declined citing a scheduling conflict.  Managing Director of the event, Carissa Picard said, “I’m having extreme difficulty getting the Obama campaign to commit to this event, and we do not understand why.  We made it very clear to them that if they would commit to the event, we would work with them on dates.”
It’s understandable that Obama is apprehensive about this town hall meeting.  He’ll be surrounded by thousands people with more foreign policy experience than he has.  A few years ago I had the opportunity to visit Fort Hood with Ted Nugent’s wife, Shemane.  The soldiers and family members we met were so grateful to talk to people outside of their community about their thoughts on the war on terrorism and importance of finishing their mission.  It was a memorable visit and it’s unfortunate that Obama won’t be able to experience it.
 

No excuses, he should have been there.

[Decker]

It's disgraceful that he cares more about smiling for the cameras to help his campaign than spending time with the troops, while at same time campaigning to be CIC.

A whopping 859 service members donated to Obama.  Stop the presses.  I think someone like headhunter, who is with the troops daily, has a more accurate assessment of who they support. 

I suppose those dollars and sense facts are wrong and we should accept HH's anecdotal evidence.

Ok.

[Decker]

My original point was to show how this socialist dope treats the military and their families, not to argue how much money they do or don’t send him or McCain. 
Doesn’t matter if they send him a billion dollars.  It's quite obvious what he thinks of them.

I thought that the troops prefer Obama b/c he promises to bring them home in their lifetimes.  That seems sensible to me.

[Decker]

Yes, of course it's not disgraceful to you. You're the same twat rallying behind a guy who fathers a kid out of wedlock while his wife is dying and then lying to 300 million people about it to boot.

Relax Eldon.

Anyways, supporting a candidate who ran on ending the war, like Edwards, is nothing to be ashamed of.

It only matters to you Eldon b/c I've stomped you like seasoned grapes in various other threads.

[Dos Equis]

I suppose those dollars and sense facts are wrong and we should accept HH's anecdotal evidence.

Ok.

I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the contention that 859 service members donated to Obama versus 558 to McCain.  What I'm saying is you cannot reasonably say the military supports Obama more than McCain based on those donations.  The numbers mean nothing.  More than 99 of the military didn't donate to anyone.     

[Hugo Chavez]

Relax Eldon.

Anyways, supporting a candidate who ran on ending the war, like Edwards, is nothing to be ashamed of.

It only matters to you Eldon b/c I've stomped you like seasoned grapes in various other threads.

holy shit, I'm a dumbass.  Why didn't I see that before...  I was so locked onto thinking Nordic, but you hit it.  Fury is Eldon.

[headhuntersix]

I thought that the troops prefer Obama b/c he promises to bring them home in their lifetimes.  That seems sensible to me.

U mistake us for the average American whiner and wussbag. Nobody wants to do or sacrifce all we've sacrificed in Iraq, for nothing. Talk to a Nam vet, they all felt sold out and wanted their sacrifice to mean something, instead we packed our shit and left. I'm sorry but I've met one female voting for Obama. I'm in Hawai with the 25th ID now and I'll see what feeling is here. I'll let u know how many Obama/McCain stickers i see.

[Decker]

U mistake us for the average American whiner and wussbag. Nobody wants to do or sacrifce all we've sacrificed in Iraq, for nothing. Talk to a Nam vet, they all felt sold out and wanted their sacrifice to mean something, instead we packed our shit and left. I'm sorry but I've met one female voting for Obama. I'm in Hawai with the 25th ID now and I'll see what feeling is here. I'll let u know how many Obama/McCain stickers i see.

The Viet Nam and Iraq military excursions were huge mistakes from the outset.

It's a terrible thing that you and your colleagues had to have your efforts wasted to perptuate a mistake, but that's how we whiners view it.  I don't think prolonging the error in IRaq to justify the sacrifice made by some of the soldiers is the best use of our resources.  Sometimes the best way to handle a mistake is to admit it and move on otherwise we could find ourselves in the situation of rationalizing something that shouldn't be rationalized--that's how feuds are fueled and they can last a lifetime.

Your point is impassioned yet nonetheless anecdotal.  The numbers support Obama over McCain so far.  That might change.  It might not change

I just got back from a seminar in Peabody Mass.  That's some beautiful country you guys have...I thought it would have been more populated than it was--buildings, parking lots etc.

[24KT]

U mistake us for the average American whiner and wussbag. Nobody wants to do or sacrifce all we've sacrificed in Iraq, for nothing. Talk to a Nam vet, they all felt sold out and wanted their sacrifice to mean something, instead we packed our shit and left. I'm sorry but I've met one female voting for Obama. I'm in Hawai with the 25th ID now and I'll see what feeling is here. I'll let u know how many Obama/McCain stickers i see.

HH6
I think you misread the hearts & pulses of your fellow countrymen. Those who you refer to as "whiners & wussbags" (Americans) most often are the "salt of the earth" and will gladly & willingly sacrifice. They just don't want to make the ultimate sacrifice for corporate greed. Nobody wants all that been sacrificed in Iraq so far to be for nothing, ...but that decision was made the day the order to invade Iraq came down. If a Nam vet feels sold out, ...it's because s/he was sold out the day the decision was made to engage in Nam.

Continuing to waste lives and destroy families, crippling the economy etc., on an even larger scale than has already occurred will not give meaning to the deaths and lives already torn apart, ...that just increases the already too large circle of grieving. When those in power & authority stop destroying, wasting and throwing away the lives of patriotic young men & women in meaningless conflicts around the world, learning from past mistakes, and not repeating them is the day all these meaningless sacrifices that have already been made will mean something. Only then you will their sacrifices not have been in vain.

[youandme]

HH6
I think you misread the hearts & pulses of your fellow countrymen. Those who you refer to as "whiners & wussbags" (Americans) most often are the "salt of the earth" and will gladly & willingly sacrifice. They just don't want to make the ultimate sacrifice for corporate greed. Nobody wants all that been sacrificed in Iraq so far to be for nothing, ...but that decision was made the day the order to invade Iraq came down. If a Nam vet feels sold out, ...it's because s/he was sold out the day the decision was made to engage in Nam.

Continuing to waste lives and destroy families, crippling the economy etc., on an even larger scale than has already occurred will not give meaning to the deaths and lives already torn apart, ...that just increases the already too large circle of grieving. When those in power & authority stop destroying, wasting and throwing away the lives of patriotic young men & women in meaningless conflicts around the world, learning from past mistakes, and not repeating them is the day all these meaningless sacrifices that have already been made will mean something. Only then you will their sacrifices not have been in vain.

So instead of posts, your making speeches now?
 

[24KT]

So instead of posts, your making speeches now?
 

Where have you been?   

[youandme]

Where have you been?   

around 

[headhuntersix]

HH6
I think you misread the hearts & pulses of your fellow countrymen. Those who you refer to as "whiners & wussbags" (Americans) most often are the "salt of the earth" and will gladly & willingly sacrifice. They just don't want to make the ultimate sacrifice for corporate greed. Nobody wants all that been sacrificed in Iraq so far to be for nothing, ...but that decision was made the day the order to invade Iraq came down. If a Nam vet feels sold out, ...it's because s/he was sold out the day the decision was made to engage in Nam.

Continuing to waste lives and destroy families, crippling the economy etc., on an even larger scale than has already occurred will not give meaning to the deaths and lives already torn apart, ...that just increases the already too large circle of grieving. When those in power & authority stop destroying, wasting and throwing away the lives of patriotic young men & women in meaningless conflicts around the world, learning from past mistakes, and not repeating them is the day all these meaningless sacrifices that have already been made will mean something. Only then you will their sacrifices not have been in vain.

Please don't lecture me on my countymen....I could not possibly listen to the a douchebag terror apologist and somebody who finds fault with my country on a continuing basis.

[24KT]

Please don't lecture me on my countymen....I could not possibly listen to the a douchebag terror apologist and somebody who finds fault with my country on a continuing basis.

I hope someone gets you a spell check for Christmas, or your birthday... whichever comes sooner.

Why do you insist on calling me a terror apologist? Do you have such a low opinion of the intellegence of fellow readers that you think that by repeating it often enough, they would actually believe it to be true?

Or is it only a mere reflection of the contempt you feel for your countRymen... those you refer to as:
"whiners & wussbags"?

Perhaps it's your unwillingness to listen to and examine your own faults that causes you to so frequently find yourself in quagmires. Just a thought.

"Minds are like parachutes. They only function when open." --Thomas Dewar

“We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” --Friedrich Nietzsche


If the guys from DHS don't consider me one... what makes you the expert?