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Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« on: August 22, 2008, 07:33:56 AM »
GAITHERSBURG, MD —  Federal investigators said Thursday they have solved a mystery of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks: the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408042,00.html


Ok conspiricy nuts...have at it


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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 08:03:32 AM »
So we're supposed to believe a report from the government about the biggest farce the government has ever concocted? 

Why wasn't the investigation done by an independent firm at the very least?

So the columns that were weakened just happend to be the columns that caused the building to implode just like the first two? 

Why did the firefighters say they weren't worried about WTC 7 as the fires were minimal? 

Why did Rudy illegally order the cleanup before an investigation could be conducted at the time of the buildings collasping?




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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 08:08:37 AM »
The ant's nests is starting to stir.....



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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2008, 08:35:55 AM »
I'm a little disappointed in the current level of participation    >:(

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2008, 09:03:04 AM »
So am I...

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2008, 09:07:31 AM »
Did anyone *really* expect anything but what's in this report?  Who ordered it and paid for it?  Bush appointed a new guy (from airplane/defense firm) to run NIST a monht before 911.  Do the math.

What we have here is Bush admin releasing this info on the most convenient friday of the year (right before conventions in summer) to get on record before they leave white house.

metal melts at 2,750 degrees.
where was this heat generated from?

Good question.  There is no fuel source which can reach this temperature whatsoever, much less sustain it and fall in sequential manner as it did.  There was no pancake collapse.  500+ feet of metal and concrete becomes powderized clouds and molten steel, leaving a pile 30 feet tall, in 7 seconds.

Fire, huh?

I'm a little disappointed in the current level of participation    >:(

Give it 2 weeks as the scientists worldwide finally have something tangible to dissect.

Give it a month before a new wave of documentaries.  It's the smoking gun of 911.  Fire melts a building for the first time in history - and not only that - it does it in 7 seconds?

Everybody knows.

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2008, 09:11:58 AM »


Give it 2 weeks as the scientists worldwide finally have something tangible to dissect.

Give it a month before a new wave of documentaries.  It's the smoking gun of 911.  Fire melts a building for the first time in history - and not only that - it does it in 7 seconds?

Everybody knows.

I'm still disappointed.   >:(

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 11:33:05 AM »
Did anyone *really* expect anything but what's in this report?  Who ordered it and paid for it?  Bush appointed a new guy (from airplane/defense firm) to run NIST a monht before 911.  Do the math.

What we have here is Bush admin releasing this info on the most convenient friday of the year (right before conventions in summer) to get on record before they leave white house.

Good question.  There is no fuel source which can reach this temperature whatsoever, much less sustain it and fall in sequential manner as it did.  There was no pancake collapse.  500+ feet of metal and concrete becomes powderized clouds and molten steel, leaving a pile 30 feet tall, in 7 seconds.

Fire, huh?

Give it 2 weeks as the scientists worldwide finally have something tangible to dissect.

Give it a month before a new wave of documentaries.  It's the smoking gun of 911.  Fire melts a building for the first time in history - and not only that - it does it in 7 seconds?

Everybody knows.

Was there evidence of melted steel in the remains?

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2008, 11:46:08 AM »
Was there evidence of melted steel in the remains?

yeah, aside from the pools of molten steel under all 3 buildings (even the one not hit by a plane!), NASA did thermo temp measurement from space, and determined that even WEEKS after the collapse, temperatures were still above 1300 and 1400 degrees F.

Jet fuel only burns for a few seconds, and cannot reach this temperature.  The paper that fueled the fires never reached anything near that temperature.

Something was keeping that molten steel at a temp of 1300+ degrees for weeks afterwards.  There is only one thing that burns that hot, and that is explosives.  Jet fuel - kerosene essentially - does not.


The molten steel was never addressed by the 911 commission because "it wasn't related to Al-Quida".  Many scientists point to the molten steel as something completely unexplainable, without the use of explosives, in which case it's explained very easily.

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2008, 12:10:23 PM »
All you conspiracy dudes can post your questions to NIST as they are taking questions.

There are lots of metals that melt below 2750
Elements                     Symbol     Melting Point Celsius     Melting Point Fahrenheit
Aluminum                    Al            659                            1218
Brass (85 Cu 15 Zn)    Cu+Zn    900-940                    1652-1724
Bronze (90 Cu 10 Sn)    Cu+Sn    850-1000                    1562-1832
Copper                    Cu            1083                            1981
Gold                            Au            1063                            1946
Lead                            Pb            327                            621
Magnesium             Mg            670                            1240
Silver                    Ag            961                            1762
Tin                            Sn            232                            450
Zinc                            Zn            419                            786
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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2008, 12:21:59 PM »
Com on Boys...........


Bring on all the experts that say the report is bunk.

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2008, 12:30:00 PM »
Speaking of the high temperatures for the extended period of time.

The explanation is that the ash from the building acted like an insulator and kept the heat up.

There are way more explanations then unused explosives for the extend high temperatures.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc082108.html

The investigation team considered the possibility of other factors playing a role in the collapse of WTC 7, including the possible use of explosives, fires fed by the fuel supply tanks in and under the building, and damage from the falling debris of WTC 1.

The team said that the smallest blast event capable of crippling the critical column would have produced a “sound level of 130 to 140 decibels at a distance of half a mile,” yet no noise this loud was reported by witnesses or recorded on videos.

As for fuel fires, the team found that they could not have been sustained long enough, could not have generated sufficient heat to fail a critical column, and/or would have produced “large amounts of visible smoke” from Floors 5 and 6, which was not observed.

Finally, the report notes that “while debris impact from the collapse of WTC 1 initiated fires in WTC 7, the resulting structural damage had little effect in causing the collapse of WTC 7.”

The investigation team found that the design of WTC 7 was generally consistent with the New York City building code in effect at the time. The estimated 4,000 occupants of WTC 7 on the morning of Sept. 11 were evacuated without any fatalities or serious injuries.

To reach the conclusions in its report, NIST complemented its in-house expertise with private-sector technical experts; accumulated an extensive collection of documents, photographs and videos related to the WTC events of 9/11; conducted first-person interviews of WTC 7 occupants and emergency responders; analyzed the evacuation and emergency response operations in and around WTC 7; and performed the most complex computer simulations ever conducted to model a building’s response behavior and determine its collapse sequence due to a combination of debris impact damage, fires and a progression of structural failures from local fire-induced damage to collapse initiation, and, ultimately, to global collapse.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html
An emergency responder caught in the building between the 6th and 8th floors says he heard two loud booms. Isn’t that evidence that there was an explosion?
The sound levels reported by all witnesses do not match the sound level of an explosion that would have been required to cause the collapse of the building. If the two loud booms were due to explosions that were responsible for the collapse of WTC 7, the emergency responder—located somewhere between the 6th and 8th floors in WTC 7—would not have been able to survive the near immediate collapse and provide this witness account.
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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2008, 12:31:31 PM »
Com on Boys...........


Bring on all the experts that say the report is bunk.

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2008, 01:01:40 PM »
I'd just be interest to know how the towers actually fell faster than gravity would naturally pull them towards Earth?

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2008, 01:03:40 PM »
I'd just be interest to know how the towers actually fell faster than gravity would naturally pull them towards Earth?



They fall faster than gravity due to falling in a vaccum.

Oxygen was not present.

Because of explosives.

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2008, 01:08:48 PM »
This is what doesn't make sense at all...

They fell faster than gravity would bring them down, but softened steel from fire would have at least put up some resistance.

So what the hell?
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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2008, 01:09:26 PM »
The point of an explosive is to EXPLODE not to slow burn.

But hey, I am not the one trying to convince the world that some explosives expert used a 2 week slow burning explosive to bring down 3 buildings.
While simultaneously fly 2 planes into 2 towers. All because they didn't want to pay for Asbestos removal.
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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2008, 01:11:05 PM »
The point of an explosive is to EXPLODE not to slow burn.

Yikes.  Credibility gone.  Thanks for playing.

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2008, 01:21:13 PM »
They fall faster than gravity due to falling in a vaccum.

Oxygen was not present.

Because of explosives.


Are you serious.
Do you know what a vacuum is.
Do you know how gravity works.

All object on earth fall slower then in a vacuum because of air resistance.
But gravity is gravity which equals 9.81 m/s^2 a vacuum has no bearing on this. It is about the interaction of 2 objects

Just because there wasn't oxygen doesn't mean that there wasn't air pressure.

What you are talking about is an implosion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implosion_(mechanical_process)
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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2008, 01:21:51 PM »
Give it a month before a new wave of documentaries.  It's the smoking gun of 911.  Fire melts a building for the first time in history - and not only that - it does it in 7 seconds?

Everybody knows.

How do you get a time of 7 seconds?  It took an hour or more for the two towers to collapse after impact.

http://www.911timeline.net/

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2008, 01:23:42 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosives
An explosive material is a material that either is chemically or otherwise energetically unstable or produces a sudden expansion of the material usually accompanied by the production of heat and large changes in pressure (and typically also a flash and/or loud noise) upon initiation; this is called the explosion.
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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2008, 01:27:05 PM »
How do you get a time of 7 seconds?  It took an hour or more for the two towers to collapse after impact.

http://www.911timeline.net/

we're talking about tower 7, the 3rd tower to fall,l at 5:20 PM that day.

It went from standing to completely pulverized in 7 seconds.

Faster than freefall speed.

Observe:


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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2008, 01:30:56 PM »
So 240 are you going to read the report.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

In videos, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics?
WTC 7 did not enter free fall. According to NIST analysis of WTC 7 video, the building collapsed 18 stories in 5.3 seconds. If the building exhibited free fall, this process would have taken just 3.9 seconds. The actual collapse time exceeded the free fall time by 40 percent.
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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2008, 03:45:23 PM »
Seriously, we might as well be debating the JFK thing all over again.

Let the scientists read it and challenge it.

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Re: Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack' (21 Aug 2008)
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2008, 04:58:54 PM »
Seriously, we might as well be debating the JFK thing all over again.

Let the scientists read it and challenge it.

The JFK report was right on point.   ;)