Organic Foods

[Hereford]

What is the general concensus on organic foods here? Do you like them? Think they are overpriced?

Do you buy into the whole concept that the organic industries try to promote?

What say y'all?

[Tapeworm]

I'd rather eat a bug than carcinogenic estrogen promoting pesticides.  Count me in.  I don't insist on organic only tho.

[Zach Trowbridge]

Nice concept, but I'm not 100% convinced that everything labeled "organic" actually is.  I don't actually think the FDA has a clear definition of the word.

[The True Adonis]

Nice concept, but I'm not 100% convinced that everything labeled "organic" actually is.  I don't actually think the FDA has a clear definition of the word.

the USDA does.

[Hereford]

Nice concept, but I'm not 100% convinced that everything labeled "organic" actually is.  I don't actually think the FDA has a clear definition of the word.

I can tell you first-hand that it's not. People can't tell the difference between the two, and there is no way to test for the difference.

[Tapeworm]

I can tell you first-hand that it's not. People can't tell the difference between the two, and there is no way to test for the difference.

IME, organic produce looks like shit.  It's usually smaller and has plenty of blemishes, fruits have much less attractive skin.

[Hereford]

IME, organic produce looks like shit.  It's usually smaller and has plenty of blemishes, fruits have much less attractive skin.

Agreed, I am saying from the health standpoint.

You cant take an apple slice from organic and conventional fruits and tell any difference, unless there was a F-Up in the processing somewhere.

[Zach Trowbridge]

the USDA does.

Fair enough.  USDA definitions:

100% Organic- means that every ingredient in the product was raised and harvested in an organic environment as approved and certified by the USDA.
Organic- means that 70 to 95 percent of all the ingredients have been raised in a USDA approved manner
Any product containing ingredients with less than a 70 percent organic content can separately list each ingredient that falls into the USDA organic category, but the product may not display a label claiming the product as organic.
For foods containing one ingredient, such as milk, eggs or fruit, an official USDA Organic label is displayed on the package or the fruit.

[Tapeworm]

I'll agree that I can't tell the difference immediately when it comes to my health but toxins and carcinogens don't kill you from a single dose (usually).  It's the cumulative effect that scares me.  


I think I could tell the difference tastewise tho.  Maybe not with veg, but with fruits.  To be perfectly honest tho, I haven't bought any organic produce in months since the local place went out of business.  

[El Diablo Blanco]

Organic meats and dairy cannot be beat.  Fruits and veggies from farmers markets are always better than store bought shit.

[Hereford]

Organic meats and dairy cannot be beat.  Fruits and veggies from farmers markets are always better than store bought shit.

That's not the same thing. "Farmers Market" does not necessarily mean "Organic". The reason farmers markets are usually better is because the fruits and veggies in the stores are picked waaaay before they are ripe so that they have a better shelf life.  Farmers Market produce is picked when ripe.

[triple_pickle]

gayer than spinach

[Swedish Viking]

I can taste the difference immediately between organic and non.  Meats, eggs, and produce.  Not even compareable.  I pretty much only eat organic biodynamic-which is a step above organic.  There is, of course, some foul play in organic labeling and farming but if you don't buy organic you are garunteed pesticides/herbicides, antibiotics and hormones whereas if you do, you more than likely won't be consuming those things. 

[Hereford]

I can taste the difference immediately between organic and non.  Meats, eggs, and produce.  Not even compareable.  I pretty much only eat organic biodynamic-which is a step above organic.  There is, of course, some foul play in organic labeling and farming but if you don't buy organic you are garunteed pesticides/herbicides, antibiotics and hormones whereas if you do, you more than likely won't be consuming those things. 

Back up any of this drivel with any sort of proof.

[The True Adonis]

I can taste the difference immediately between organic and non.  Meats, eggs, and produce.  Not even compareable.  I pretty much only eat organic biodynamic-which is a step above organic.  There is, of course, some foul play in organic labeling and farming but if you don't buy organic you are garunteed pesticides/herbicides, antibiotics and hormones whereas if you do, you more than likely won't be consuming those things. 

Its impossible to taste a difference due to the fact that sugar content is not altered if the seed is the same.

[Eyeball Chambers]

I can tell a giant difference in taste between Horizon Organic Milk and other brands.

[Hereford]

I can tell a giant difference in taste between Horizon Organic Milk and other brands.

How?

[Swedish Viking]

Its impossible to taste a difference due to the fact that sugar content is not altered if the seed is the same.

  There you go with one of your broad sweeping statements again.  I taste the difference.  The skins of the fruit are the easiest, raw meat that has been factory farmed is basically unpalatable, and with eggs there is a visual difference along with a taste difference-they are usually a very light yellow if they are unsustainably farmed whereas a really healthy yolk should be a deep orange(I've even seen almost reddish yolks) and they are somewhat bitter if they are unhealthy.  A healthy animal should be able to taste the difference too-after I cleaned up my cat's life he basically refused to eat any raw meat that wasn't organic or better.

  Life has made it real simple for us to tell the difference between things that are good for our bodies and things that are not but the sicker we get the less able we are to determine these differences.

   I'm going to go eat my organic raw dinner now, I'll be right back.

[The True Adonis]

THere you go with one of your broad sweeping statements again.  I taste the difference.  The skins of the fruit are the easiest, raw meat that has been factory farmed is basically unpalatable, and with eggs there is a visual difference along with a taste difference-they are usually a very light yellow if they are unsustainably farmed whereas a really healthy yolk should be a deep orange(I've even seen almost reddish yolks) and they are somewhat bitter if they are unhealthy.  A healthy animal should be able to taste the difference too-after I cleaned up my cat's life he basically refused to eat any raw meat that wasn't organic or better.

You are not comparing the same seed or genetic line with differing farming methods.  You are taking two wholly separate products and comparing them making your statement invalid.

You need to take the same seed and plant it in an organic field and a non-organic field.  Pick them both at the same level of ripeness.  It is impossible to tell the taste apart.

The same with cattle.  Take a Hereford and its twin.  One goes to pasture, one goes to CAFO. Feed them the same nutrient content.  Both are slaughtered at the same peak.  The steak on the table will taste the same.

The nutritent content and phytochemicals may be different, albeit EVER SO SLIGHTLY as genetics play more of a role, but taste will not be affected whatsoever.

With that said, I buy Sustainable and nothing else for many reasons.  Taste is not one of them.

[Hereford]

  A healthy animal should be able to taste the difference too-after I cleaned up my cat's life he basically refused to eat any raw meat that wasn't organic or better.

HAHAHAHAHA


What the Fucck ever dude.

[Hereford]

The same with cattle.  Take a Hereford and its twin.  One goes to pasture, one goes to CAFO.  Both are slaughtered at the same peak.  The steak on the table will taste the same.

YES!!!!

[Swedish Viking]

You are not comparing the same seed or genetic line with differing farming methods.  You are taking two wholly separate products and comparing them making your statement invalid.

You need to take the same seed and plant it in an organic field and a non-organic field.  Pick them both at the same level of ripeness.  It is impossible to tell the taste apart.

The same with cattle.  Take a Hereford and its twin.  One goes to pasture, one goes to CAFO. Feed them the same nutrient content.  Both are slaughtered at the same peak.  The steak on the table will taste the same.

The nutritent content and phytochemicals may be different, albeit EVER SO SLIGHTLY as genetics play more of a role, but taste will not be affected whatsoever.

With that said, I buy Sustainable and nothing else for many reasons.  Taste is not one of them.

  I'm not waiting for double blind tested empiracally proven results to be published for me to speak up about being able to taste the difference between organic and non. I've eaten enough steak, eggs, and fruit to know that the difference from farm to farm and animal to animal isn't nearly as great the difference between sustainable and unsustainable farming.

[The True Adonis]

You quoted my post, yet said nothing.

[Swedish Viking]

...and there's a huge difference between what I'm talking about and taste variations. Taste variations can be subtle and sometimes hard to pick out; what I'm talking about is a distinctly toxic, metallic, or bitter taste-specifically meats, eggs, and rinds.

[The True Adonis]

  I'm not waiting for double blind tested empiracally proven results to be published for me to speak up about being able to taste the difference between organic and non. I've eaten plenty of steaks, plenty of eggs, and plenty of fruit to know that the difference from farm to farm isn't nearly as great the difference between sustainable and unsustainable farming.

Again,

The seed is what determines the flavor.  You are deluding yourself if you think it tastes better.  I seriously doubt you have ever eaten anything along the quality of a Delmonico Steak or Kobe.