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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 09:00:40 AM »
anyone who can ignore scientific evidence and believes the fairy tales presented in the "bible" can never be described as intelligent.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 09:01:35 AM »
Discuss.

STUPID PEOPLE AER INCAPABLE OF RECOGNIZING INTELLIGENCE...
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 09:03:04 AM »
Discuss.

Define religious...the head of the human genome project is an Evangelical Christian (but not a Creationist); Francis Collins...
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 09:03:20 AM »
TA. Have you ever taken ephedrine or ephedra?

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 09:03:26 AM »
"God does not play dice." - Einstein on quantum theory.

You'll have more luck with a "the vast majority of..." approach.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 09:03:32 AM »
Does believing in a higher power constitute religion?

I don't believe there's a bearded man in a robe which chooses to send you eternal pleasure, or eternal torture, based upon if you stole a piece of gum as a kid or got laid before you were married.

Do I believe that something more powerful than a human being started the processes of the universe?  Of course.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 09:04:16 AM »
Define religious...the head of the human genome project is an Evangelical Christian (but not a Creationist); Francis Collins...
He was not the head as in head of research.  He held nothing but an Administration position.  He did no direct work on the project whatsoever.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 09:04:38 AM »
TA. Have you ever taken ephedrine or ephedra?

Lol.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 09:04:59 AM »
Does believing in a higher power constitute religion?

I don't believe there's a bearded man in a robe which chooses to send you eternal pleasure, or eternal torture, based upon if you stole a piece of gum as a kid or got laid before you were married.

Do I believe that something more powerful than a human being started the processes of the universe?  Of course.

Define more powerful...do you mean an intelligent being?
I hate the State.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 09:06:00 AM »
"God does not play dice." - Einstein on quantum theory.

You'll have more luck with a "the vast majority of..." approach.

Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear
Scientist's reply to sell for up to £8,000, and stoke debate over his beliefs



"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." So said Albert Einstein, and his famous aphorism has been the source of endless debate between believers and non-believers wanting to claim the greatest scientist of the 20th century as their own.

A little known letter written by him, however, may help to settle the argument - or at least provoke further controversy about his views.

Due to be auctioned this week in London after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, the document leaves no doubt that the theoretical physicist was no supporter of religious beliefs, which he regarded as "childish superstitions".

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.


"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

The letter will go on sale at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair on Thursday and is expected to fetch up to £8,000. The handwritten piece, in German, is not listed in the source material of the most authoritative academic text on the subject, Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion.

One of the country's leading experts on the scientist, John Brooke of Oxford University, admitted he had not heard of it.

Einstein is best known for his theories of relativity and for the famous E=mc2 equation that describes the equivalence of mass and energy, but his thoughts on religion have long attracted conjecture.

His parents were not religious but he attended a Catholic primary school and at the same time received private tuition in Judaism. This prompted what he later called, his "religious paradise of youth", during which he observed religious rules such as not eating pork. This did not last long though and by 12 he was questioning the truth of many biblical stories.

"The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression," he later wrote.

In his later years he referred to a "cosmic religious feeling" that permeated and sustained his scientific work. In 1954, a year before his death, he spoke of wishing to "experience the universe as a single cosmic whole". He was also fond of using religious flourishes, in 1926 declaring that "He [God] does not throw dice" when referring to randomness thrown up by quantum theory.


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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 09:07:00 AM »
Does believing in a higher power constitute religion?

I don't believe there's a bearded man in a robe which chooses to send you eternal pleasure, or eternal torture, based upon if you stole a piece of gum as a kid or got laid before you were married.

Do I believe that something more powerful than a human being started the processes of the universe?  Of course.
Given Scientific Evidence that is ignorant as well.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 09:07:35 AM »
There are lots of intelligent religious people

George W Bush
Donald Rumsfeld
All Jews
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2008, 09:10:01 AM »
Given Scientific Evidence that is ignorant as well.

I'm listening.  What scientific evidence are you talking about?  I'm not that strong in the area.  I know that something created the universe.  I don't know what it was.  But I know that no man has that ability.  Therefore something more powerful - and with significantly greater creation abilities - than man exists.  The Creator.

I don't know if it's something with a conscious, or something else.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2008, 09:11:00 AM »
what about those religious vegetables the kids love?
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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2008, 09:12:20 AM »
are you saying there are no such things as talking snakes?

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2008, 09:13:12 AM »
How can anyone be responsible for Adam's inability to meet or carry on an intelligent conversation with a professed religious figure. Are there any religious boards saying..." I have never met and I cannot name an intelligent bodybuilder or poster on a bodybuilding board."

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2008, 09:17:12 AM »
STUPID PEOPLE AER INCAPABLE OF RECOGNIZING INTELLIGENCE...

Stupid people also have trouble locating that little button on the left of their keyboard that says "Caps Lock" on it.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2008, 09:20:59 AM »
I'm listening.  What scientific evidence are you talking about?  I'm not that strong in the area.  I know that something created the universe.  I don't know what it was.  But I know that no man has that ability.  Therefore something more powerful - and with significantly greater creation abilities - than man exists.  The Creator.

I don't know if it's something with a conscious, or something else.

Don`t think of the universe in Anthropocentric terms.  Humans are meaningless to the planet and are but a blink of a fraction of a second in the history of earth.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2008, 09:21:59 AM »
Nice find but you bolded the wrong parts.




Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear
Scientist's reply to sell for up to £8,000, and stoke debate over his beliefs


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." So said Albert Einstein, and his famous aphorism has been the source of endless debate between believers and non-believers wanting to claim the greatest scientist of the 20th century as their own.

A little known letter written by him, however, may help to settle the argument - or at least provoke further controversy about his views.

Due to be auctioned this week in London after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, the document leaves no doubt that the theoretical physicist was no supporter of religious beliefs, which he regarded as "childish superstitions".

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

The letter will go on sale at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair on Thursday and is expected to fetch up to £8,000. The handwritten piece, in German, is not listed in the source material of the most authoritative academic text on the subject, Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion.

One of the country's leading experts on the scientist, John Brooke of Oxford University, admitted he had not heard of it.

Einstein is best known for his theories of relativity and for the famous E=mc2 equation that describes the equivalence of mass and energy, but his thoughts on religion have long attracted conjecture.

His parents were not religious but he attended a Catholic primary school and at the same time received private tuition in Judaism. This prompted what he later called, his "religious paradise of youth", during which he observed religious rules such as not eating pork. This did not last long though and by 12 he was questioning the truth of many biblical stories.

"The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression," he later wrote.

In his later years he referred to a "cosmic religious feeling" that permeated and sustained his scientific work. In 1954, a year before his death, he spoke of wishing to "experience the universe as a single cosmic whole". He was also fond of using religious flourishes, in 1926 declaring that "He [God] does not throw dice" when referring to randomness thrown up by quantum theory.



Sounds to me like a man who believed in God but was disappointed in religious institutions and human interpretations of God.

BTW I'm an athiest, but I don't feel that makes all religious people, by default, less intelligent than I.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2008, 09:22:53 AM »
Don`t think of the universe in Anthropocentric terms.  Humans are meaningless to the planet and are but a blink of a fraction of a second in the history of earth.

exactly, humans have been around for AT MOST 250,000 years and this planet has been here for billions of years.

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Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2008, 09:27:19 AM »
Nice find but you bolded the wrong parts.




Sounds to me like a man who believed in God but was disappointed in religious institutions and human interpretations of God.

BTW I'm an athiest, but I don't feel that makes all religious people, by default, less intelligent than I.

Again, the letter was written in 1954.  You are using semantics.  He liked to use the word as a play.  IT like when I say Goddamnit.  I`m not asking god to damn something.

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