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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #175 on: September 02, 2008, 07:37:29 AM »
God, same topic over and over again. But I'll say this once more: Ronnie in '98 was probably the most impressive Mr O ever. But '93 Dorian was "modern bodybuilding" for better and worse. He changed the rules and made guys like Ronnie possible. No matter how great Coleman was, he's just a Dorian follower like most of today's Bbers.

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #176 on: September 02, 2008, 09:18:09 AM »
you're always stuck in your hypocritical logic again YOU have dismissed quotes from many , many people who saw them live and in person so you're right back to square one and the argument ad populum most certainly applies its a textbook example , you saying Ronnie is better because a bunch of people say so classic appeal to numbers it proves ONE thing that its a popular opinion Ronnie is the best ever

no, I haven't dismissed quotes from numerous people who saw both compete. You have even posted that many sources. All I've seen from you are the same 3-4 quotes used over and over again. Argument ad populum doesn't apply here b/c I never appealed to numbers to argue why Ronnie is superior. Rather, my purpose for posting the quotes is to show that the best authorities on the matter believe Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable. Your misuse of the argument fallacy would be akin to me disagreeing with 10 physicians who arrived at the same diagnosis and crying "ad populum" to discredit their judgment.

Source: http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html

"Non-fallacious examples of the ad populum: the appeal is not irrelevant when what most persons believe or what the select few believe does in fact determine what is true. Conventional truth such as the definitions of words,  standard use of symbols, styles, or political elections are typical examples where the appeal to the majority , the experts, or  the people-in-the-know would be relevant and so would not be fallacious.

   1. If an elite group of people are in a position to know of what they speak, their authority is relevant and should not automatically be discounted.  E.g., to remark that most physicians believe that a high fat diet is unhealthy, so that it follows that persons who have a high fat diet should change their eating habits, is to make a legitimate appeal."

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #177 on: September 02, 2008, 12:19:32 PM »


   1. If an elite group of people are in a position to know of what they speak, their authority is relevant and should not automatically be discounted.  E.g., to remark that most physicians believe that a high fat diet is unhealthy, so that it follows that persons who have a high fat diet should change their eating habits, is to make a legitimate appeal."

countdown to excuses... 3... 2... 1... ;)

An elite group of people? Greg Valentino? Ryan Mackie? Flex Wheeler who had Ronnie first after the pre-judging in 06 I mean seriously shut up already with your nonsense you're right back to square one

and you're still a hypocrite for dismissing the opinions of the people who really matter IFBB judges ...next

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #178 on: September 02, 2008, 12:22:09 PM »
Hey HD, great thread about Bizzy yesterday.. lol

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its not even on the board anymore

it went NOWHERE

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you are such a pathetic loser... :-\

a pathetic loser you say?  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #179 on: September 02, 2008, 01:10:28 PM »
An elite group of people? Greg Valentino? Ryan Mackie? Flex Wheeler who had Ronnie first after the pre-judging in 06 I mean seriously shut up already with your nonsense you're right back to square one

nice try at a diversion, idiot. Try Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper. ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #180 on: September 02, 2008, 01:18:10 PM »
Bizzy May 18 , 2008

I had never know about this tool up until about a month or so ago

referring to the unmask sharpening tool

Bizzy Nov 14 , 2007

Regular pic

Sharpened

Sharpened more...even his face looks grainy in the 3rd pic...


Uh oh Bizzy is BUSTED  ;)

caught in an outright LIE saying he never knew about the sharpening tool and wait a moment BUSTED a year earlier showing how he tampers with pictures

ANYTHING Bizzy posted is PHOTOSHOPPED and he is busted by me , Hulkster so much for all your ' overwhelming visual evidence ' lol


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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #181 on: September 02, 2008, 01:21:35 PM »
nice try at a diversion, idiot. Try Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper. ;)

NO diversion in the least YOU sited these guys as experts lol Greg Valentino I'm still laughing at that one

Joe Weider , Team Flex , Lonnie Teaper to the best of my knowlegde are NOT IFBB judges  ;) and I notice you keep avoiding commenting on your blatant hypocrisy about dismissing IFBB judges  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #182 on: September 02, 2008, 01:39:21 PM »
  Look who's talking. The fag who everyone points out in thread after thread as being Getbig.com's most closeted fag. And you are so much my punching bag that you even go as far as changing your signature to prove a point to me. ;)

SUCKMYMUSCLE

haha the guys calling me "fag" got owned by me and they can't get over it

unlike you though they haven't had thoughts of beating me up and killing me hahahaha ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #183 on: September 02, 2008, 01:47:15 PM »
a pathetic loser you say?  ;)

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yup.

tell us how long did your thread last ND? ::)

it was so stupid the mods blasted it off the face of the earth in 3 seconds

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #184 on: September 02, 2008, 02:47:16 PM »
NO diversion in the least YOU sited these guys as experts lol Greg Valentino I'm still laughing at that one

what does that have to do with Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper? You're only picking the sources with the least credibility from the 30+ quotes I posted as if that discredits the rest. ::)

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Joe Weider , Team Flex , Lonnie Teaper to the best of my knowlegde are NOT IFBB judges and I notice you keep avoiding commenting on your blatant hypocrisy about dismissing IFBB judges

show me where I have dismissed IFBB judges. I keep seeing you repeat this but have yet to see any evidence.

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #185 on: September 02, 2008, 03:42:23 PM »
what does that have to do with Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper? You're only picking the sources with the least credibility from the 30+ quotes I posted as if that discredits the rest. ::)

show me where I have dismissed IFBB judges. I keep seeing you repeat this but have yet to see any evidence.

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what does that have to do with Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper? You're only picking the sources with the least credibility from the 30+ quotes I posted as if that discredits the rest. ::)

it doesn't matter you used that list as a crutch and included were some real ringers lol and again none of the ones you mentioned were judges so at the end of the day their opinions are just like everyone else even the ones who YOU dismissed , so now we're expected to believe these non-judges opinions carry weight but you're quick to dismiss Peter McGough as wrong but now when it suits your point of view they're valid thats makes you a hypocrite , but that's well established fact isn't it? and you're the one who claimed if you believe in one quote you have to believe in ALL but you've already disagreed with many of the people you listed so see hypocrite again

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show me where I have dismissed IFBB judges. I keep seeing you repeat this but have yet to see any evidence.

I did you show you many times , I don't have the desire to look for old posts if you doubt me feel free to  look them up and prove me wrong  ;) anyway lets say its just the one judge you disagreed it still doesn't change the facts now does it?

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #186 on: September 02, 2008, 04:10:26 PM »
BOOM.......end of thread. :o

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #187 on: September 02, 2008, 04:11:50 PM »
BOOM.......end of thread. :o

Not even close that's not Ronnie at his best

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #188 on: September 02, 2008, 04:13:13 PM »
Not even close that's not Ronnie at his best
show me ANY picture where Dorian has that much muscular size and condition.

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #189 on: September 02, 2008, 04:16:50 PM »
show me ANY picture where Dorian has that much muscular size and condition.

LMFAO that size and condition? his conditioning is SHIT where is the separation? where is the crisp muscularity? where is the depth? he's a fucking train wreck in that pic

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #190 on: September 02, 2008, 04:19:07 PM »
LMFAO that size and condition? his conditioning is SHIT where is the separation? where is the crisp muscularity? where is the depth? he's a fucking train wreck in that pic
hahahaha, as the rope like veins and striations attest to. :o

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #191 on: September 02, 2008, 04:21:23 PM »
falcon owned dorian

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #192 on: September 02, 2008, 04:21:36 PM »
hahahaha, as the rope like veins and striations attest to. :o

Again you're not savy on competitive bodybuilding Dave this is NOT his best by far

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #193 on: September 02, 2008, 04:22:23 PM »
falcon owned dorian


hahahahhaaaa, you look like an underfed chicken next to him, get the fucck out of here.

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #194 on: September 02, 2008, 04:23:04 PM »

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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #195 on: September 02, 2008, 04:24:38 PM »
hahahahhaaaa, you look like an underfed chicken next to him, get the fucck out of here.

ahhahah Squad even though you have attained Gaymastery level I i will spare you this time you overfed chicken
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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #196 on: September 02, 2008, 04:32:58 PM »
use this pic instead lol
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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #197 on: September 02, 2008, 04:34:25 PM »
use this pic instead lol

teh falcon crushin the Dorito!!!
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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #198 on: September 02, 2008, 04:35:34 PM »
he does have better arms lol
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Re: Dorian Yates at his best VS Ronnie Coleman at his best : who would win?
« Reply #199 on: September 02, 2008, 04:42:35 PM »
it doesn't matter you used that list as a crutch and included were some real ringers lol and again none of the ones you mentioned were judges so at the end of the day their opinions are just like everyone else even the ones who YOU dismissed , so now we're expected to believe these non-judges opinions carry weight but you're quick to dismiss Peter McGough as wrong but now when it suits your point of view they're valid thats makes you a hypocrite , but that's well established fact isn't it? and you're the one who claimed if you believe in one quote you have to believe in ALL but you've already disagreed with many of the people you listed so see hypocrite again

yawn, I already refuted this. You're so desparate that you've resorted to regurgitating old arguments.

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I did you show you many times , I don't have the desire to look for old posts if you doubt me feel free to  look them up and prove me wrong anyway lets say its just the one judge you disagreed it still doesn't change the facts now does it?

no, you haven't shown me anything. All you've done is make a claim without any evidence to back it up.