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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2008, 02:01:41 PM »
I bet Hillary is pissed. 
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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2008, 02:05:39 PM »
Let me guess.... liberal women will hate her because she's pro-life, smart, successful, and attractive?
Whoomp!  There it is!

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2008, 02:13:47 PM »
You just can't criticize her experience because it directly relates to the argument against Obama for the #1 position.  I would argue that her executive experience as gov is better than his experience as senator, most of which has been running for president.

CQ, I agree with you with regards to the children.  That is an issue, but she must have great support from her husband & family to do this.  One child is in the military and over 18, her daughter will be 18 so thats 2 kids basically out of the house.  However, a child with downs needs a lot of care.

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2008, 02:15:20 PM »
I think I heard her husband is essentially a full-time dad? 

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2008, 02:18:09 PM »
Let me guess.... liberal women will hate her because she's pro-life, smart, successful, and attractive?=

Don't know and don't care, it's the mothering issue I refer to. Nor I am reffeing to my opinion, I mean public sentiment.

Hard to attend 4 sets of baseball games, PTA meetings, help with 4 sets of homework a day, watch 4 sets of "look at me mommy!", slap bandages on 4 sets of knees, attend the numerous doctor appts etc for the special needs one - while doing a bang up job as VP.

What will she skip meeting Putin as kid #2 is getting her tonsils out? Cancel a NAFTA meeting as kid #3 has a teachers meeting?

At times one will suffer - FACT.  It's all good, but many mothers feel kids come first no matter what. That may impact the votes, without that she'd clean up on female votes imo.

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2008, 02:19:32 PM »
I think I heard her husband is essentially a full-time dad? 

So you mean he just sits around while she "politics"?

Sad.

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2008, 02:24:19 PM »
CQ, if her husband is basically a near full time dad, it could be done and has been done historically with the roles reversed.  However, I completely agree with your point that its a difficult task.

I think most women are better suited for early childcare than men by nature...but thats a generality that is incorrect in some cases.

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2008, 02:25:36 PM »
So you mean he just sits around while she "politics"?

Sad.

No idea.  I've never cared for a kid with Down's Syndrome so I can't say.  


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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2008, 04:08:55 PM »
Eighty percent approval rating?   :o

Why McCain Picked Palin

Friday, Aug. 29, 2008
By MICHAEL GRUNWALD AND JAY NEWTON-SMALL 

John McCain needs to persuade swing voters that he's willing to take on the Republican establishment. He needs to persuade conservatives that he isn't squishy about social issues. And he needs to close the gender gap. When you think about it, the real surprise about Sarah Palin's selection as his running mate is that it's such a surprise.

Palin may be an obscure 44-year-old first-term governor and mother of five from tiny Wasilla, Alaska, but in many ways she reinforces John McCain's narrative of a maverick conservative crusader. She's risen to power by battling corruption in her own state's Republican establishment, exposing misconduct by the state GOP chairman and challenging the incumbent GOP governor. She's a committed Christian who's pro-life in practice as well as in theory; she recently gave birth to a son that she knew would have Down Syndrome.

But Palin can help McCain through biography as well as resume. She'll be the first woman on a Republican ticket, which the campaign is surely hoping will appeal to Hillary Clinton voters and help reduce Barack Obama's advantage among women. She's a fresh face to counteract Obama's message of change, and she's about as far outside the Beltway as you can get. A child of the middle class with a friendly face and big hair, she is so affable that she once won Miss Congeniality in a beauty pageant. Her son is about to deploy to Iraq. She's an ice fisherman, a moose hunter, a small business owner and a lifetime NRA member. And she shelved her state's pork-laden Bridge to Nowhere that McCain has ridiculed on the trail.

One more point in her favor: In the topsy-turvy election of 2008, the Last Frontier is actually a battleground state — and Palin is Alaska's most popular politician.

There are certainly risks to the choice. Palin's presence will make it awkward for McCain to harp on Obama's inexperience, much less play that attack-dog role herself. She's only served as governor one month longer than Obama's been running for president, and she's argued that her youth helped her clean out corruption in Juneau, echoing an Obama talking point. "The age issue, I think, was more significant in my career than the gender issue; your resume isn't as fat as your opponent's, that kind of thing," Palin told TIME last month. "I don't have 30 years of political experience under my belt but that's a good thing. I've never been part of a good-ol'-boys club."

A journalism major from the University of Idaho, Palin started her political career in 1992 as a Wasilla city councilor. She was elected to the first of her two terms as mayor in 1996, and earned a reputation as "Sarah Barracuda" -- also her nickname as a feisty point guard on her high school basketball team -- for taking on entrenched bureaucrats. After running a strong race for lieutenant governor as an unknown in 2002, she made her mark on Alaska politics as a commissioner of a state oil and gas commission, when she tried to expose GOP officials with improper ties to the industry, and eventually resigned in 2004 after her complaints were ignored.

Palin challenged Governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary, and crushed the incumbent on a platform of change and reform. She then defeated the formidable former governor Tony Knowles in the general. But it's a long leap from Juneau to the White House. It's not clear what Palin thinks about foreign policy or many other national issues, though she has criticized the lack of a long-term plan for Iraq. And the top consideration for any candidate for the number-two job is readiness for the number-one job, an issue that may weigh more on voters' minds when the potential number one has just turned 72 years old.

Meanwhile, Palin's strong support for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge will contrast with McCain's muted opposition; she's said she expects McCain to change his mind on the issue, which will create an awkward dynamic no matter what he does. She also surprised Alaska's conservatives by vetoing a bill that would have denied state benefits to same-sex couples (though that might help her appeal to less socially conservative independents). Her profile as a good government crusader may not be such an easy sell, either. She was endorsed in an ad by Senator Ted Stevens, who is now under indictment in a Republican corruption scandal. And she's already embroiled in a mini-scandal that's under investigation by the state senate; Palin's former public safety director has claimed he was fired because he refused to fire a state trooper who was involved in a custody dispute with her sister.

Still, Palin boasts an 80% approval rating. She lived the first three months of her life in Idaho, but Alaskans clearly see this self-described "hockey mom" as one of them, a former Miss Wasilla who worked as a TV sports announcer and helping to run a commercial fishing business before entering politics. Her husband, Todd Palin, is part native Eskimo who works in the oil fields in addition to his fishing business, and is also a champion snowmobiler known in Alaska as the First Dude. In a state where Big Oil is king, Palin has been a staunch drilling supporter while maintaining her independence from the industry. And she impressed a lot of conservative Christians when she carried her son Trig to term despite his genetic tests indicating Down Syndrome. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," she said after returning to work.

Politically, in a year where the Republican brand is so tarnished, Palin will help McCain make the case that he's a different kind of Republican. It might be his best shot to be America's First Dude.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837510,00.html/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837492,00.html

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2008, 04:22:43 PM »
Eighty percent approval rating?   :o

In a state with less people than one borough in NYC.  ::)
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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2008, 04:27:33 PM »
In a state with less people than one borough in NYC.  ::)

Population 670,000.  Who cares?  It's still 80 percent.  That's pretty rare.   

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2008, 04:35:14 PM »
Population 670,000.  Who cares?  It's still 80 percent.  That's pretty rare.   

I'm sure in a small state it's much more likely everyone will agree on more things... It's inevitable that more people will see eye to eye when there is less to see.

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #87 on: August 29, 2008, 04:58:05 PM »
...Being a gov. is excellent experience for being a president or VP...better than a senator IMO.  ...

Yes, look what a bargain we got with Bush.  ::)

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2008, 05:06:52 PM »
Population 670,000.  Who cares?  It's still 80 percent.  That's pretty rare.   
Is that really rare for a republican in Alaska?  My guess would be no, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2008, 05:34:36 PM »
I'm sure in a small state it's much more likely everyone will agree on more things... It's inevitable that more people will see eye to eye when there is less to see.

Come visit Hawaii sometime.   lol.  We have about 1.2 million people and although people get along, there is hardly agreement in the political arena.  This is a one party state.  Democrats have controlled this state nearly 50 years.  We elected the first Republican governor in 40 years about 6 years ago.  Her approval ratings have been very good (probably ranging between 60 and 70 percent), because she is outstanding, but I don't think she has come close to 80 percent.  I also read that her approval rating was above 90 percent in 2007.  That's remarkable. 

Also, one of the commentators mentioned she was voted the most popular governor in the country by her peers. 

She must be doing something right.   

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2008, 05:35:16 PM »
You know,


On the surface, this seems like a "fear" pick.   they picked her becuase they think they need Hillary's voters to win.

Just thinking out loud.

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2008, 06:13:11 PM »
Come visit Hawaii sometime.   lol.  We have about 1.2 million people and although people get along, there is hardly agreement in the political arena.  This is a one party state.  Democrats have controlled this state nearly 50 years.  We elected the first Republican governor in 40 years about 6 years ago.  Her approval ratings have been very good (probably ranging between 60 and 70 percent), because she is outstanding, but I don't think she has come close to 80 percent.  I also read that her approval rating was above 90 percent in 2007.  That's remarkable. 

Also, one of the commentators mentioned she was voted the most popular governor in the country by her peers. 

She must be doing something right.   

Sounds like you're proving my point in a way.

Your state has almost twice the populace and is about 10-20 points lower in approval... I bet as you get lower in population, you get higher approval numbers.

That would be an interesting chart to view.


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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2008, 06:27:14 PM »
Sounds like you're proving my point in a way.

Your state has almost twice the populace and is about 10-20 points lower in approval... I bet as you get lower in population, you get higher approval numbers.

That would be an interesting chart to view.



It would be an interesting chart to view. 

I doubt Cayetano (our last governor) was near 70 percent.  He wasn't nearly as good.  He had perpetual budget deficits.  Governor Lingle had a billion dollar budget turnaround.  She's just very good.  That's why she is speaking at the Republican convention. 

Maybe governors of smaller states get better approval ratings, but I've never seen any kind of study.  I doubt there are many governors with 80 or 90 percent approval ratings.  That's just off the charts.  I think good executives get good ratings.  That's what happened with Arnold:    "At the end of May, 2004, the Field poll put his popularity at 65%, the highest for a California governor in 45 years, including 41% of Democrats, party adherents of his opposition."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_career_of_Arnold_Schwarzenegger

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« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2008, 07:00:24 PM »
how much of a maverick can you portray in the state of alaska? seriously. A governer in alaska is like the ultimate pawn. How many people are  fighting for a serious gov;t position in alaska?

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2008, 07:21:04 PM »
It's still a risky call on the repubs part.   
Although the decision by McCain has it's elements of brilliance to it, there is still an element of poor judgement in that, his "years" of experience are undermined by his running mate.  undecided voters could take his age into account in that the possibility of him dying would mean a former mayor of a small town with little experience would become president.

lol  Savage says McCain is throwing in the towel with that vp choice

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« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2008, 07:32:33 PM »
It's still a risky call on the repubs part.   
Although the decision by McCain has it's elements of brilliance to it, there is still an element of poor judgement in that, his "years" of experience are undermined by his running mate.  undecided voters could take his age into account in that the possibility of him dying would mean a former mayor of a small town with little experience would become president.

lol  Savage says McCain is throwing in the towel with that vp choice

savage is from san fran, enough said

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2008, 07:33:57 PM »
savage is from san fran, enough said


HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHH


He's constantly talking about that too.   lol

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2008, 07:37:47 PM »
he's jewish right? talk about a double wammy  lol

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2008, 08:08:16 PM »
It's still a risky call on the repubs part.   
Although the decision by McCain has it's elements of brilliance to it, there is still an element of poor judgement in that, his "years" of experience are undermined by his running mate.  undecided voters could take his age into account in that the possibility of him dying would mean a former mayor of a small town with little experience would become president.

lol  Savage says McCain is throwing in the towel with that vp choice

I really don't see this as a high risk pick.  I think if I had to draw up the ideal experience for a VP candidate, it would include city council, mayor, state leg, governor, and military experience.  She has most of that experience. 

There really cannot be a realistic criticism of Palin as VP without contrasting her experience with Obama's.  If people have concerns about Palin's experience to be VP, then they should be very concerned about Obama's paper thin experience to president. 

Savage??  lol . . .  :)

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Re: Sarah Palin is Repub VP pick
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2008, 08:18:57 PM »
I really don't see this as a high risk pick.  I think if I had to draw up the ideal experience for a VP candidate, it would include city council, mayor, state leg, governor, and military experience.  She has most of that experience. 

There really cannot be a realistic criticism of Palin as VP without contrasting her experience with Obama's.  If people have concerns about Palin's experience to be VP, then they should be very concerned about Obama's paper thin experience to president. 

Savage??  lol . . .  :)
Savage?  yeah  i know...lol   he is entertaining in while stuck traffic

You seem to see the positive side, of her being picked.  Undeniable.  But Obama's lack of experience doesn't factor as much in why it a can be a bad decision because of Mccain's age.   And the fact she's an unknown with issues.