gh ques.

[trainer]

is there a big differance in doing 4ius a day and 6ius a day, and when, 1st thing in the morn. and how close to a show would u stop it.

[brent2741]

if you add the 2iu diff over #of days a week, number of weeks a year... and so on.. i think it is a big deal. Everything ive ever read says take it  before bed so it can work on your body while you sleep

[Massquest]

What are you taking it for? If for mass... anything less than 10iu/day and your wasting your time IMO.

[local hero]

who takes gh for mass?.......... when it comes to growth, u wanna take as much as u can afford for as long as u can afford to, for me its a waste unless its for a show unless youve got buckets of money to spend..


theres so many new theroies on how to take it, i dont think it realy matters, all that matters is that u take it for an extended period of time...

last time out i took 4iu am 4iu afternoon and 4iu before bed, all the competitive lads at the gym are takin all post workout, into the muscle,, there gettn good results, whos to say who's right,,,,, as i said, i dont think it matters, long as its in u

[spirospros]

is there a big differance in doing 4ius a day and 6ius a day, and when, 1st thing in the morn. and how close to a show would u stop it.

6units split twice a day, 1st before bedtime at night 1more at the middle of the night 

[Emmortal]

6units split twice a day, 1st before bedtime at night 1more at the middle of the night 

Instead of doing 6ius a day, many guys have found it to be extremely effective at adding mass by doing 10ius immediately PWO 3x a week.  I've been doing that myself for the past couple of months and definitely have noticed a difference.

[Massquest]

who takes gh for mass?..........

Plenty of people do. What do you take it for??

[Emmortal]

Plenty of people do. What do you take it for??

it's the only reason I'd ever take it.  Taking it for fat loss is pointless, there are far better and cheaper alternatives.  ECA blows it away for fatloss.

[Massquest]

it's the only reason I'd ever take it.  Taking it for fat loss is pointless, there are far better and cheaper alternatives... 

I feel the same way.

[Overload]

Instead of doing 6ius a day, many guys have found it to be extremely effective at adding mass by doing 10ius immediately PWO 3x a week.  I've been doing that myself for the past couple of months and definitely have noticed a difference.

GH then Slin PWO?

I have a few friends trying this with fantastic results.

8-10IU GH then 10IU Slin PWO only.

[Emmortal]

GH then Slin PWO?

I have a few friends trying this with fantastic results.

8-10IU GH then 10IU Slin PWO only.

Yea I was doing slin, although not that much since I was also doing IGF PWO.  I was doing 10ius of GH immediately PWO, wait 20 minutes or so for it to convert to IGF in the liver, then shoot 40mcgs of IGF into the muscles I worked out that day, wait 5 minutes and shoot 5ius of slin.  Since the IGF1 increase insulin sensitivity, I didn't feel the need to go over 5ius of slin.  If you are taking that much GH you pretty much have to use Slin to see any results, mass wise, from the GH.

[abc123]

Instead of doing 6ius a day, many guys have found it to be extremely effective at adding mass by doing 10ius immediately PWO 3x a week.  I've been doing that myself for the past couple of months and definitely have noticed a difference.

Can you be more specific about the effectiveness of the 10 IU of GH with Slin?  What kinds of gains did you see?  Or what kinds of gains would a first time user of GH for mass see?

Also, if using US Pharma GH would you still use 10 IU or would a smaller dose be equivalent to 10 IU of Chinese GH (I'm assuming that's what you are using).

[Emmortal]

Can you be more specific about the effectiveness of the 10 IU of GH with Slin?  What kinds of gains did you see?  Or what kinds of gains would a first time user of GH for mass see?

Also, if using US Pharma GH would you still use 10 IU or would a smaller dose be equivalent to 10 IU of Chinese GH (I'm assuming that's what you are using).

You could probably get away with using 6ius of pharm grade GH over generic (which is what I run due to cost).  You'd just have to experiment to find the best dosage range.

As far as effectiveness goes, Slin + GH is probably the most physique changing protocol you can run.  I personally only ran it for 4 weeks and had some serious diet adjustments to make.  For some guys Slin really sucks everything out of you, nutrient wise, and I was in a lean bulk so my carb intake wasn't as high as it needed to be.  I found out that I should be taking in a lot more complex carbs throughout the day for it to be effective.  This doesn't happen with everyone, but if you run this protocol and loose weight, then you need up your carbs drastically.  I'm trying to get in the 800g's range before trying it again, it's taking a lot of adjustment since I'm not used to putting that many carbs down so we'll see how it goes.  Some guys can get away with less, just have to experiment.

Back to your question though.  Once your diet is dialed in, it's not unheard of to put on 3-4lbs every 2-3 weeks of lean mass on this protocol.  You'd also need to be on a good amount of AAS for it to be as effective. It obviously will vary, but it's one of the most effective mass protocols you can run, not for the inexperienced.  You would also cycle this protocol only 4 weeks at a time with as much time off in between cycles.

[Arnold jr]

it's the only reason I'd ever take it.  Taking it for fat loss is pointless, there are far better and cheaper alternatives.  ECA blows it away for fatloss.

Yes and no.

For pure fat loss GH is way too expensive, but if you're taking it for an extended period...which you should be...it can really change your overall body composition in a more permanent way.

[abc123]

Yes and no.

For pure fat loss GH is way too expensive, but if you're taking it for an extended period...which you should be...it can really change your overall body composition in a more permanent way.

Why do you feel that it's in a more permanent way?

[local hero]

ok,,, take growth on its own and tell me how much mass youve put on a month or 2 later,,,, im betting it would be very little,,,

growth causes big changes in your body over a long period of time, what ive found my self is im able to compete around 7 to 10lbs heavier with the same or better condition as i would with out it......

for mass, nothing beats real test, real decca, real dbol etc etc etc

[Emmortal]

ok,,, take growth on its own and tell me how much mass youve put on a month or 2 later,,,, im betting it would be very little,,,

growth causes big changes in your body over a long period of time, what ive found my self is im able to compete around 7 to 10lbs heavier with the same or better condition as i would with out it......

for mass, nothing beats real test, real decca, real dbol etc etc etc

I most certainly agree.  GH isn't the best mass builder out there, but stacked with aas, and slin, it's pretty damn effective.  And like AJ said, and I agree, the body composition changes are what's really great about it.  My comment was in reference to a lot of people who think taking GH just to loose some fat is a good idea, which I don't really believe it to be unless you run it for very long periods of time and are prepared to spend the money necessary.  If a quick fat loss solution is what someone is after, ECA would be better.  I guess I should have worded that better.

[Van_Bilderass]

I was doing 10ius of GH immediately PWO, wait 20 minutes or so for it to convert to IGF in the liver,

Did you get this from "Gavin Kane"? I don't know where he got the idea that it takes 20 minutes to convert to IGF. He actually said it took exactly 17 minutes LOL.

[Emmortal]

Nah, I got it from several other guys who have been using Slin for over 10 years.

[spirospros]

GH then Slin PWO?

I have a few friends trying this with fantastic results.

8-10IU GH then 10IU Slin PWO only.

8 - 10 units of gh a lot of moneys

[Arnold jr]

Why do you feel that it's in a more permanent way?

Because the effects of GH are permanent even after you come off.

[tbombz]

Did you get this from "Gavin Kane"? I don't know where he got the idea that it takes 20 minutes to convert to IGF. He actually said it took exactly 17 minutes LOL.

hahah, WOW.  Who is this Gavin kane ?

[Van_Bilderass]

hahah, WOW.  Who is this Gavin kane ?

Some guy who came online and profiled himself as a guru in order to sell GH. Was busted in ORD.

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/igf-hgh-insulin-questions/23051-gavin-kane-aka-jeffrey-rock-aka-pp-busted.html

[tbombz]

Some guy who came online and profiled himself as a guru in order to sell GH. Was busted in ORD.

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/igf-hgh-insulin-questions/23051-gavin-kane-aka-jeffrey-rock-aka-pp-busted.html

well according to the doc's at least he was selling legit jintropin. more than most 'sources' can say.

[GetBigOrDieTrying]

Gh is a great fat burner but I think what people forget is that its also muscle sparing. I find when I diet using GH I can eat more calories and maintain a lot more muscle mass I don’t lose actual muscle weight just body fat.

My last cycle I used 4 GH pharma grade per day with Anabolic. My weight stayed the same but my BF% dropped radically with EASE.

Ive used gh on its own. With a small addition of anabolic it much more effective in all aspects.

AJ - I can add testimony to the permanent change. Since using GH my abdominal  BF is much less than it used to be even when im not lean. I know this because every 3 month I go for readings. Since using GH my abdominal fat reading with the caliper has reduced significantly out of ratio to the rest of my BF reading.  So for example if my chest was 6 and my abdominal was 10 then my chest is now 5 and my abdominal is 5. I carry much more muscle mass off cycle. More vascular with thinner skin. Muscles are rounder and more shaped.

GH has made the biggest single difference to my physique than any other product alone.

ITS THE SHIT!