Author Topic: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids  (Read 2028 times)

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2008, 09:43:33 PM »
lets work on legalizing marijuana before we start ranting about the legalization of roids. one thing at a time.
I strongly disagree.  If anything the two sides should team up to get both substances legalized. 

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2008, 01:16:02 AM »
No because the government says so. 

The government has at times made unjust laws. Just because they say so doesn't make it right or constitutional. We, as free people, should oppose laws that don't make sense and are unjust. Remember the Kelo decision just a few years ago where now the court ruled that the government can confiscate your property not for the common good, as specified in the Constitution, but now if they can make more money. People were kicked out of their homes so that a shopping center can be built on their land.

But this is besides the point. The question was does an athlete have a right to use steroids. Put another way, can a sporting organization implement any rules they want within reason. And of course they can. They can permit or ban anything they want for any reason or no reason. It is up to the athlete as to whether or not they want to participate.

What we are allowed to do as private citizens is another matter entirely. There was a time when you would go to prison for drinking a beer or engaging in sodomy.
 
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2008, 01:27:25 AM »
Pellius I hope you realize I was being sarcastic. 

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2008, 02:07:52 AM »
Pellius I hope you realize I was being sarcastic. 

My most humble apology. You never know these days with all the sheeple in our midst.

Good man. Keep up the fight.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2008, 02:25:16 AM »
Why does the government ban a substance that our bodies produce naturally?  What are they gonna ban next our blood? 

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2008, 02:41:11 AM »
Why does the government ban a substance that our bodies produce naturally?  What are they gonna ban next our blood? 

If I pay a woman a couple of hundred bucks for a little anal I go to jail. If I film it and charge others to watch it I'm a porn star.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2008, 11:52:05 AM »
I strongly disagree.  If anything the two sides should team up to get both substances legalized. 
no, pot is already proved safe, trying to get the broad range of roids legalized at the same time would just cause the legalization to fail.
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2008, 01:08:14 PM »
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First, I want to make a distinction between a rights a person has as a private citizen and the rights they have when they voluntarily join an organization. In the case of a sporting organization such as say the NBA, IFBB, Football Boxing, MLB they can, for the most part, make any rules they want and the rules they make are purely arbitrary. They could easily declare 4 strikes or 2 strikes for baseball, 75 yards or 125 yards for a football field, 10 rounds or 25 rounds for boxing, etc. They can arbitrarily ban anything they want be it Coca Cola, caffeine, sweet potatoes or anabolic steroids. They can also require anything they want such as you have to wear a helmet, or shorts, or yellow shoes, not swear or make obscene gestures, etc. In that sense, an athlete has no rights other than the right to agree or disagree with the terms and rules and whether or not they choose to participate.


Steroids are like nuclear weapons, in that they cannot be uninvented. Whatever level of competition you get down to, starting from the highest to lowest, that does not drug test, will outperform the best natural athletes who are being tested. Take a very quantifiable event like track. If the fastest sanctioned sprinters in the world are all being drug tested, but can be bested by non-tested amateurs, why would anyone watch the pros?

Now imagine this as a BB scenario. Why would anyone pay to see smaller, softer pros in the IFBB (if they were tested) than bigger, harder amateurs who aren't tested? Said amateurs might get pro cards to cash in on their recognition, but then shrink...and the pros might then drop to the amateur ranks, use and become more widely known.

I'm not discounting natural ability and hard work, but the fact is, so long as Joe Shmo isn't drug tested, the pros have no choice but to use.

*Yes, I realize they can also choose not to use and not to be pros.



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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2008, 01:16:14 PM »
I believe athletes should be allowed to use anything and do anything they want to improve athletic performance. But the question was do they have a RIGHT to use performance enhancing compounds and my answer is no. It's not a right. A sporting organization can make any rules they want. Whether they cheat or not is a separate issue.