Adonis Principles

[calfzilla]

Can you guys inform me on exactly what the Adonis Principles are?  Serious replies are appreciated. 

[avesher]

1. Desperately try to act and talk different so you don't fit in with society.   Fail miserably.

[nicky.smth]

Adonis's principles are that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie... 100 calories from chicken breast equal  100 calories from ice cream according to his principles..So you could lose weight by eating whatever you wanted, providing you kept overall calories below your baseline calories



he also recommended like half the RDA for daily protein requirements.

[calfzilla]

Adonis principles are that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie... 100 calories from chicken breast equal  100 calories from ice cream according to his principles..So you could lose weight by eating whatever you wanted, providing you kept overall calories below you baseline calories

Thanks that's pretty much what I thought it was.  I agree with Adonis to some degree, but not 100%.  True Adonis you are welcome to go into detail about your principles or provide a link to them. 

[nicky.smth]

Thanks that's pretty much what I thought it was.  I agree with Adonis to some degree, but not 100%.  True Adonis you are welcome to go into detail about your principles or provide a link to them. 

His principles may work for fat chicks..However, they are useless for athletes, bodybuilders, or anyone who is concerned about body composition not just shear weight

[Tapeworm]

That it is somehow better to diet with 2 nibbles of a calorie dense nutritionally sparse food than it is to eat a full sized nutritious high protein meal containing the same calories.

In other words, eat any 'ol junk food you want, but only eat small enough portions that you maintain a calorie debt.  It is the opposite of how to diet properly.

[TechnoViking]

Keep calories at maintance or under but save some for a couple a glasses of absinthe every once and awhile...

[onlyme]

Adonis's principles are that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie... 100 calories from chicken breast equal  100 calories from ice cream according to his principles..So you could lose weight by eating whatever you wanted, providing you kept overall calories below you baseline calories



he also recommended like half the RDA for daily protein requirements.

It is what he says but it is not real.  Eat a 1000 calories of fat or carbs and then eat 1000 calories of protein.  Who do you think will look better. 

[nicky.smth]

It is what he says but it is not real.  Eat a 1000 calories of fat or carbs and then eat 1000 calories of protein.  Who do you think will look better. 

i'm not agreeing with what he says..Just answering the question..I don't believe he actually followed that particular diet to cut anyway.

[wavelength]

I think this thread describes it pretty good: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231937.0

Basic Principles:

- A minimum daily protein intake (approx. 0.5g/lb bodyweight),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week,
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients.

Factors of no, minimal, or even negative influence seem to be:

- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- cardio training,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day.

If those are his principles, from my experience, I agree. Anything else to add or modify, TA?

[IFBBwannaB]

Can you guys inform me on exactly what the Adonis Principles are?  Serious replies are appreciated. 

1.Lie about your lifts.

2.Lie about your supposed girlfriend.

3.Lie about your financial status.

4.Copy and paste various stupid articles to getbig and claim you are really smart.

5.Grow 747 size ears.

6.Be amongst the world top 5% of ugly people.

I can go on but you get the picture.

[The True Adonis]

I think this thread describes it pretty good: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231937.0

Basic Principles:

- A minimum daily protein intake (approx. 0.5g/lb bodyweight),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week,
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients.

Factors of no, minimal, or even negative influence seem to be:

- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- cardio training,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day.

If those are his principles, from my experience, I agree. Anything else to add or modify, TA?

Those would be all the Adonis Principles!

Add 0.5-1 gram per lb of body weight.

and

Strive for the USRDA- (which you will likely meet and exceed anyways)

[Hereford]

Those would be all the Adonis Principles!

Add 0.5-1 gram per lb of body weight.

and

Strive for the USRDA- (which you will likely meet and exceed anyways)

Oh shit.  He found you.

You guys are fuccked now.

[The True Adonis]

It is what he says but it is not real.  Eat a 1000 calories of fat or carbs and then eat 1000 calories of protein.  Who do you think will look better. 

That is an ignorant example.

I will give you a real one.


Two twins eat 1 gram per lb of body weight protein and each are on a caloric deficit ingesting 2200 total calories.

Twin one meets the Protein Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with any food he likes be it chocolate, Fast Food, candy or whatever.

Twin two meets his Protien Requirement and eats the rest of his calories with boiled chicken, oatmeal and rice.

They both eat the same calories.

The both will look EXACTLY the same.

There is your example.

[wavelength]

His principles may work for fat chicks..However, they are useless for athletes, bodybuilders, or anyone who is concerned about body composition not just shear weight

I disagree and I am living proof. A minimum protein intake as well as supply of all needed nutrients to sustain health is important. Other than that, macro composition is of minimal or no importance, at least in my experience.

[The True Adonis]

i'm not agreeing with what he says..Just answering the question..I don't believe he actually followed that particular diet to cut anyway.

Wrong. I eat whatever I want.

Would you like to see what I ate today so far?

I track it everyday.

I still have more calories to eat before bedtime, but this is what I have so far today!

I DID NOT cook today for once!

Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]
Qty: 2.79 x 100 grams (100g)    145 (9%)    0 g    1 g    39 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Body Fortress Whey Protein
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (66g)    210 (13%)    4 g    52 g    6 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Burger King sandwich: Original WhopperŽ Sandwich without mayonnaise
Qty: 1.0 x 1 order (269g)    550 (35%)    25 g    31 g    52 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Lindy`s Cappuccino Gelato
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g)    160 (10%)    4 g    2 g    18 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Oats & Chocolate Fiber One Bar
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (40g)    140 (9%)    4 g    2 g    29 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Energy Multi Grain Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (55g)    220 (14%)    7 g    10 g    29 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Nutrition Bar Dark Chocolate Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g)    150 (10%)    4 g    11 g    22 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain

[The True Adonis]

His principles may work for fat chicks..However, they are useless for athletes, bodybuilders, or anyone who is concerned about body composition not just shear weight

Wrong again.

[The True Adonis]

Basic Principles:

- A minimum daily protein intake (approx. 0.5g/lb-1 gr/lb bodyweight),
- a deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
- hard weight training at least 3 times a week,
- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients.
- Strive for USRDA (you will meet or exceed the amounts most likely without any attention)
Factors of no, minimal, or even negative influence:
- the ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by the rules above,
- cardio training,
- abandonment of alcohol,
- intake of "supplements",
- proper spacing of meals during the day.

[The True Adonis]

I will probably have more fruit, Avocado, Apples and Peaches, Curried Beef and CousCous with Raisin Relish for my remaining calories before bed.

[nicky.smth]

Wrong. I eat whatever I want.

Would you like to see what I ate today so far?

I track it everyday.

I still have more calories to eat before bedtime, but this is what I have so far today!

I DID NOT cook today for once!

Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343]
Qty: 2.79 x 100 grams (100g)    145 (9%)    0 g    1 g    39 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Body Fortress Whey Protein
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (66g)    210 (13%)    4 g    52 g    6 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Burger King sandwich: Original WhopperŽ Sandwich without mayonnaise
Qty: 1.0 x 1 order (269g)    550 (35%)    25 g    31 g    52 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Lindy`s Cappuccino Gelato
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g)    160 (10%)    4 g    2 g    18 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Oats & Chocolate Fiber One Bar
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (40g)    140 (9%)    4 g    2 g    29 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Energy Multi Grain Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (55g)    220 (14%)    7 g    10 g    29 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain
Snickers Marathon Nutrition Bar Dark Chocolate Crunch
Qty: 1.0 x Custom Food (1g)    150 (10%)    4 g    11 g    22 g    Weight Loss
Optimum Health
Weight Gain

How do you even feel remotely full eating all those empty calories, talk about nutrient less food..

[The True Adonis]

How do you even feel remotely full eating all those empty calories, talk about nutrient less food..

WRONG AGAIN!


Amounts per 711.0
Set Daily Values

Calorie Information
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Calories
1575
(6594 kJ)
79%
  From Carbohydrate
744
(3115 kJ)
 
  From Fat
430
(1800 kJ)
 
  From Protein
401
(1679 kJ)
 
  From Alcohol
~0.0
(0.0 kJ)
 

Carbohydrates
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Total Carbohydrate
195
g
65%
Dietary Fiber
~30.7
g
~123%
Starch
~0.1
g
 
Sugars
97.0
g
 
Sucrose
~5776
mg
 
Glucose
~6780
mg
 
Fructose
~16460
mg
 
Lactose
~0.0
mg
 
Maltose
~0.0
mg
 
Galactose
~0.0
mg
 

Fats & Fatty Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Total Fat
49.0
g
75%
Saturated Fat
21.6
g
108%
4:00
~0.0
mg
 
6:00
~0.0
mg
 
8:00
~0.0
mg
 
10:00
~0.0
mg
 
12:00
~0.0
mg
 
13:00
~
 
 
14:00
~2.8
mg
 
15:00
~
 
 
16:00
~67.0
mg
 
17:00
~
 
 
18:00
~8.4
mg
 
19:00
~
 
 
20:00
~
 
 
22:00
~
 
 
24:00:00
~
 
 
Monounsaturated Fat
~1.5
g
 
14:01
~
 
 
15:01
~
 
 
16:1 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
 
16:1 c
~
 
 
16:1 t
~
 
 
17:01
~
 
 
18:1 undifferentiated
~19.5
mg
 
18:1 c
~
 
 
18:1 t
~
 
 
20:01
~0.0
mg
 
22:1 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
 
22:1 c
~
 
 
22:1 t
~
 
 
24:1 c
~
 
 
Polyunsaturated Fat
~0.6
g
 
16:2 undifferentiated
~
 
 
18:2 undifferentiated
~120
mg
 
18:2 n-6 c,c
~
 
 
18:2 c,t
~
 
 
18:2 t,c
~
 
 
18:2 t,t
~
 
 
18:2 i
~
 
 
18:2 t not further defined
~
 
 
18:03
~25.1
mg
 
18:3 n-3, c,c,c
~
 
 
18:3 n-6, c,c,c
~
 
 
18:4 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
 
20:2 n-6 c,c
~
 
 
20:3 undifferentiated
~
 
 
20:3 n-3
~
 
 
20:3 n-6
~
 
 
20:4 undifferentiated
~0.0
mg
 
20:4 n-3
~
 
 
20:4 n-6
~
 
 
20:5 n-3
~0.0
mg
 
22:02
~
 
 
22:5 n-3
~0.0
mg
 
22:6 n-3
~0.0
mg
 
Total trans fatty acids
~0.9
g
 
Total trans-monoenoic fatty acids
~
 
 
Total trans-polyenoic fatty acids
~
 
 
Total Omega-3 fatty acids
~25.1
mg
 
Total Omega-6 fatty acids
~120
mg
 
Learn more about these fatty acids
and their equivalent names
   
Protein & Amino Acids
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Protein
109
g
217%
Tryptophan
~577
mg
 
Threonine
~1973
mg
 
Isoleucine
~1941
mg
 
Leucine
~3560
mg
 
Lysine
~2985
mg
 
Methionine
~683
mg
 
Cystine
~749
mg
 
Phenylalanine
~1099
mg
 
Tyrosine
~965
mg
 
Valine
~1877
mg
 
Arginine
~949
mg
 
Histidine
~656
mg
 
Alanine
~1517
mg
 
Aspartic acid
~3815
mg
 
Glutamic acid
~5656
mg
 
Glycine
~625
mg
 
Proline
~2549
mg
 
Serine
~1852
mg
 
Hydroxyproline
~
 
 

Vitamins
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Vitamin A
~4451
IU
~89%
Retinol
~0.0
mcg
 
Retinol Activity Equivalent
~8.4
mcg
 
Alpha Carotene
~0.0
mcg
 
Beta Carotene
~75.3
mcg
 
Beta Cryptoxanthin
~30.7
mcg
 
Lycopene
~0.0
mcg
 
Lutein+Zeaxanthin
~80.9
mcg
 
Vitamin C
~145
mg
~241%
Vitamin D
~80.0
IU
~20%
Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol)
~40.5
mg
~203%
Beta Tocopherol
~0.0
mg
 
Gamma Tocopherol
~0.0
mg
 
Delta Tocopherol
~0.0
mg
 
Vitamin K
~6.1
mcg
~8%
Thiamin
~3.0
mg
~203%
Riboflavin
~3.5
mg
~204%
Niacin
~40.3
mg
~201%
Vitamin B6
~4.1
mg
~206%
Folate
~808
mcg
~202%
Food Folate
~8.4
mcg
 
Folic Acid
~0.0
mcg
 
Dietary Folate Equivalents
~8.4
mcg
 
Vitamin B12
~12.0
mcg
~200%
Pantothenic Acid
~20.2
mg
~202%
Choline
~9.5
mg
 
Betaine
~0.3
mg
 

Minerals
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Calcium
1576
mg
158%
Iron
~19.8
mg
~110%
Magnesium
~498
mg
~124%
Phosphorus
~2401
mg
~240%
Potassium
~17338
mg
~495%
Sodium
1513
mg
63%
Zinc
~10.6
mg
~71%
Copper
~0.3
mg
~14%
Manganese
~0.1
mg
~5%
Selenium
~0.0
mcg
~0%
Fluoride
~9.2
mcg
 

Sterols
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Cholesterol
~167
mg
~56%
Phytosterols
~33.5
mg
 
Campesterol
~
 
 
Stigmasterol
~
 
 
Beta-sitosterol
~
 
 

Other
Amounts Per Selected Serving
%DV
Alcohol
~0.0
g
 
Water
~239
g
 
Ash
~0.5
g
 
Caffeine
~0.0
mg
 
Theobromine
~0.0
mg

[The True Adonis]

How do you even feel remotely full eating all those empty calories, talk about nutrient less food..

Check this out:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/custom/658855/2

[The True Adonis]

Now check this out.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/custom/658852/2


You see my ignorant friends, my diet is perfect.

[wavelength]

Add 0.5-1 gram per lb of body weight.

Since I defined a minimum, it would have to be a single number, not a range. Do you name a range because of individual differences?

Strive for the USRDA- (which you will likely meet and exceed anyways)

Not familiar with it. It is a recommendation about composition of nutrients for optimal health, right? So we could say:

- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients (e.g. follow USRDA).

[The True Adonis]

Since I defined a minimum, it would have to be a single number, not a range. Do you name a range because of individual differences?

Not familiar with it. It is a recommendation about composition of nutrients for optimal health, right? So we could say:

- a variety of food good enough to ensure proper intake of all needed nutrients (e.g. follow USRDA).

1. I prefer a higher intake up to 1 gram per lb as I tend to lift VERY heavy and my workouts are taxing. Brief, but taxing.  .5 is sufficient in most regards.  I also love to cook many different things.

2. Right on about the USRDA!  Easy to meet when you eat a lot of Fruits!