Want to know the real Obama?....

[mightymouse72]

Instead of conducting mindless drivel about Palin and her teenage daughter, research a presidential candidates associations and "mentors."
Liberal?  I wish Obama was a liberal.  I can think of a much stronger term.  Comm.....

Google:
Industrial Areas Foundation or
Frank Marshall Davis or
Saul Alinsky


Some links to help anyone who might be interested.

http://www.theabsurdreport.com/2008/who-is-saul-d-alinsky/
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=15363




Imagine if these were McCains relationships and educational teachings?

[Decker]

Obama is not a socialist.  A socialist wants ownership of the means of production in the hands of the worker instead of the hands of the capitalist.

Milwaukee had a socialist mayor and socialist political political party.  Milwaukee is still on the map.

Rightwingers have been accusing democrats of closet communism for decades.  Thomas Frank chronicles these rightwing saws in his book The Wrecking Crew.  Commies, Socialists, traitors...etc.  It's a bit tired and old.

It's b/c of those damn leftist organizers that we have to put up with work unions, nondiscrimination laws, worker safety laws, environmental protection laws, etc.

[mightymouse72]

Don't have a lot of time to post right now.

Of course Obama is not going to say he's a socialist.  It's like the frog in boiling water analogy.  Alinsky's foundation taught how to cover the actual change he wanted with feelings of suppression and talk of change.  Sound familiar?

Take time and actually read and investigate those people who "mentored" and "taught" Obama. 

Don't you think the way a man is raised, taught, the people he surrounded himself with has something to do with who he is NOW??  His character and beliefs?

I know all those things define who I am today.  As also with most people today. 

[Hereford]

Obama is not a socialist.  A socialist wants ownership of the means of production in the hands of the worker instead of the hands of the capitalist.

Milwaukee had a socialist mayor and socialist political political party.  Milwaukee is still on the map.

Rightwingers have been accusing democrats of closet communism for decades.  Thomas Frank chronicles these rightwing saws in his book The Wrecking Crew.  Commies, Socialists, traitors...etc.  It's a bit tired and old.

It's b/c of those damn leftist organizers that we have to put up with work unions, nondiscrimination laws, worker safety laws, environmental protection laws, etc.

Mr Decker.

You are implying that we only have OSHA laws and EPA laws because of the political left?  Really?

Unions benefit NOBODY who is not in them. They drive up prices for goods. That's all they do for the rest of us.

[Decker]

Mr Decker.

You are implying that we only have OSHA laws and EPA laws because of the political left?  Really?

Unions benefit NOBODY who is not in them. They drive up prices for goods. That's all they do for the rest of us.

I'm not implying that the social left was the impetus for OSHA and the EPA.  I'm flat-out saying it.  It was the worker unions that petitioned Johnson to get the ball rolling on addressing unsafe working conditions (the rightwing considered any regulation of safety burdensome).

We all know how Big Business loves government regulation.

And for the EPA, well, let's let the EPA tell us the inspiration for its creation:

The official birthday of EPA is December 2, 1970. Like any other birth, EPA's needed progenitors, and a family tree stretching back for years. Surely no factor was more pivotal in the birth of EPA than decades of rampant and highly visible pollution. But pollution alone does not an agency make. Ideas are needed--better yet a whole world view--and many environmental ideas first crystallized in 1962.

That year saw the publication of Rachel Carson's Silent Spring, first in serial form in the New Yorker and then as a Houghton Mifflin best seller. This exhaustively researched, carefully reasoned, and beautifully written attack on the indiscriminate use of pesticides was not exactly light reading. Yet it attracted immediate attention and wound up causing a revolution in public opinion.
...
The disillusioning effect of the Vietnam war enhanced the popularity of Silent Spring. When people heard of the defoilation tactics used in the jungles of Indochina, they became more receptive to the "environmental" ideas advanced by Carson and her countless imitators. The cognoscenti even began using a more arcane term--"ecology"--in reference to a science of the environment, then still in its infancy.
http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/epa/15c.htm

Yes, all those republican big business magnates joined the Peace Movement and spread the ecological word.

You hate unions.  B/c they drive up the price of goods?  You're right.  Let's go back to the days of subsistence wages and 7 day work weeks.  Quality of life?  That's for Socialists.

[MB_722]

The Hunt for Red Menace
http://www.publiceye.org/huntred/Huntred_TOC.html

[Cardfan]

Unions served a valuable purpose in their beginning. But it's an antiquated concept today. Most people realize that government regulations have negated the need for them. Today's unions only serve to benefit their leaders. You only have to look at what they've done to GM to realize unions should be done away with.

[egj13]

something must be wrong with unions...

The number of wage and salary workers who were union members dropped to 12 percent of the work force last year, the lowest percentage since the government started tracking that number over two decades ago.

[Hereford]

You hate unions.  B/c they drive up the price of goods?  You're right.  Let's go back to the days of subsistence wages and 7 day work weeks.  Quality of life?  That's for Socialists.

Oh Bull$hit,

If it wern't for unions we would be working 7 hour weeks for subsustance? Hahahahah!

Unions are for people who can't hold onto a job with raw merit and performance.

[Decker]

Look at all the elitest apologists we have here at GETBIG. 

Everyone's stomping on unions and by doing such, providing absolute control of the bargaining process btn labor and management to management.

Unions level the negotiating field.  And all you people think that's a horrible idea.  I suggest to all of you read up on the history of labor before and after unions.

Cardfan...that's in interesting take you have that the burdensome regulations of the workplace replace the need of worker representation in the bargaining process.

[TerminalPower]

Look at all the elitest apologists we have here at GETBIG. 

Everyone's stomping on unions and by doing such, providing absolute control of the bargaining process btn labor and management to management.

Unions level the negotiating field.  And all you people think that's a horrible idea.  I suggest to all of you read up on the history of labor before and after unions.

Cardfan...that's in interesting take you have that the burdensome regulations of the workplace replace the need of worker representation in the bargaining process.

Unions are to blame for jobs leaving America.  You want to pay forklift drivers 150k a year I am all for it, but when someone can do it for 50k a year and just as good...i say shut your fucking mouth and find another job, cause you don't deserve one. 

I have a great job I get paid based on my performance, and my job will NEVER leave the USA.  I don't need a fucking idiotic bureaucratic Union to help me lose it. 

BTW i am all for unions...just don't bitch when the employer YOU ASKED AND BEGGED to hire you sends your job overseas.

[Decker]

Unions are to blame for jobs leaving America.  You want to pay forklift drivers 150k a year I am all for it, but when someone can do it for 50k a year and just as good...i say shut your fucking mouth and find another job, cause you don't deserve one. 

I have a great job I get paid based on my performance, and my job will NEVER leave the USA.  I don't need a fucking idiotic bureaucratic Union to help me lose it. 

BTW i am all for unions...just don't bitch when the employer YOU ASKED AND BEGGED to hire you sends your job overseas.

You've just described globalization.

You people are secure with your $25k a year jobs?  Well hey bud, there are children in India that will do your job for pennies on the hour.

In other words, thanks to the race to the bottom for workers's wages while maintaining exploding elitest compensation, many of us will kiss our jobs away anyways.

[shootfighter1]

"Unions served a valuable purpose in their beginning. But it's an antiquated concept today"

This is truth.  If you or your collegues in management have ever dealt with unions, its a nightmare.  They drive up the cost of everything for business and not all of it goes back to the worker directly.

If Obama is not a socialist, by definition, it is interesting that he chose so many socialist mentors and teachers.  You have to admit that he favors may socialist type principles at least.

[Cardfan]

Look at all the elitest apologists we have here at GETBIG. 

Everyone's stomping on unions and by doing such, providing absolute control of the bargaining process btn labor and management to management.

Unions level the negotiating field.  And all you people think that's a horrible idea.  I suggest to all of you read up on the history of labor before and after unions.

Cardfan...that's in interesting take you have that the burdensome regulations of the workplace replace the need of worker representation in the bargaining process.

Never said burdensome. That's your word not mine. The 'bargaining process' takes place in the HR manager's office during the final interview. If they ain't paying what I'm worth then I'm not working.

[George Whorewell]

Cmon guys be reasonable- How a man is educated, who he keeps his company with, who mentors his professional and spiritual life, what his name is, who is family is and what he says has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REAL MAN. Its all part of the right wing propaganda machine. Ignore the facts and you will find out what someone is really all about-

[Decker]

Never said burdensome. That's your word not mine. The 'bargaining process' takes place in the HR manager's office during the final interview. If they ain't paying what I'm worth then I'm not working.

You don't have to be defensive.  So you see no merit in collective bargaining.  So a workforce of 50-10,000 is supposed to negotiate labor contracts individually? 

That might be an option if the only thing the employer manufactured was employment contracts.  Your solution is not realistic.

[OzmO]

Unions aren't good, but they are needed.  At least that's my understanding in that they came about becuase companies were abusing workers.  Initially they were a good thing, but evolved into a burden.