GH15, please tell us the reality on how the pros lose fat before contests

[subseven]

GH,

I have read your posts with great interest and am very grateful to you for sharing the truth with us. I think you gave us the real picture, with the exception of one area: FAT LOSS.

How in the world do these guys get down to 5% or less so fast? You said over and over again that very few of them use DNP and that Ephedra does the same job, but in just a little longer amount of time. I am finding that hard to believe.

I mean back a few years ago Ephedra was legal and everyone was using it. There were more than  20 guys in my gym alone who used huge doses but I never saw anyone getting ripped from Ephedra. Sure they lost weight, but very few got down to 10% and no one got deep into single digits. I used it myself until it was outlawed. Does it help? Sure it does, but not dramatically...

So what do these guys do to lose so much fat? I can only think of DNP... (not saying DNP is a good thing, just stating my speculation)

What else can it be? What else out there will get those doughboys down to 3-5% in 12 weeks? I don't think it is the tren or anavar. Never used them myself but saw people in my gym back in the 90's and no body got that cut from those steroids.

Thanks as always GH15

[divcom]

Good Question.  All of these guys cant have fast metabs like Dex claims.  Where is the cat on this site that was drying out on Grapefruit, bananas and eggs?   

[Fatpanda]

sub, try pming him. he sometimes misses these on the boards. but i agree good post.

[Tapeworm]

t3

[tbombz]

t3

Bingo.

But remember these Ifbb pro's also have a whole lot of muscle mass that makes it pretty easy to burn off fat with a high protein intake + hard training alone.

[mass 04]

I read in a magazine that Hydroxycut gets a lot of the pros shredded. It must be that.

[subseven]

Neither T3 nor muscle mass can explain the speed with which these guys get down to single digitis and then straight to under 3%. I just think there are other substances involved

Sub

[m8]

dnp

[subseven]

waiting for GH15

[Van_Bilderass]

Neither T3 nor muscle mass can explain the speed with which these guys get down to single digitis and then straight to under 3%. I just think there are other substances involved

Sub

What you think is fat can be a lot of water.

[JohnnyVegas]

I read in a magazine that Hydroxycut gets a lot of the pros shredded. It must be that.

Nope-it is Ripped Fuel by Twin Labs 

[AVBG]

GH,

I have read your posts with great interest and am very grateful to you for sharing the truth with us. I think you gave us the real picture, with the exception of one area: FAT LOSS.

How in the world do these guys get down to 5% or less so fast? You said over and over again that very few of them use DNP and that Ephedra does the same job, but in just a little longer amount of time. I am finding that hard to believe.

I mean back a few years ago Ephedra was legal and everyone was using it. There were more than  20 guys in my gym alone who used huge doses but I never saw anyone getting ripped from Ephedra. Sure they lost weight, but very few got down to 10% and no one got deep into single digits. I used it myself until it was outlawed. Does it help? Sure it does, but not dramatically...

So what do these guys do to lose so much fat? I can only think of DNP... (not saying DNP is a good thing, just stating my speculation)

What else can it be? What else out there will get those doughboys down to 3-5% in 12 weeks? I don't think it is the tren or anavar. Never used them myself but saw people in my gym back in the 90's and no body got that cut from those steroids.

Thanks as always GH15

must be a gimmick. No offense man..but your question is for want of a better word..clueless.

[gh15]

from t3 to ephedrine to albuterols clenbuterols and all related familys to aromatase inhibitors to anti estrogens to duretics to growth hormone to halotestin to pgcl to crystal meth and ghb

when you consider yourself a bodybuilder and look like one wether natural or not you have what gh15 calls OCD ,,this ocd is evolve around the 24/7 thinking and getting hard ons by new drygs old drugs and thinking about the next 500-5000$ you will spend on your next cycle which ofcourse the more advance you are the less cycles you do and it all becomes one big addiciton and one big whole cycle for the rest of your life on earth,,this is bodybuilding believe it or not it dont matter ...but this is bodybuilding wether you like it or not

[Fatpanda]

from t3 to ephedrine to albuterols clenbuterols and all related familys to aromatase inhibitors to anti estrogens to duretics to growth hormone to halotestin to pgcl to crystal meth and ghb

when you consider yourself a bodybuilder and look like one wether natural or not you have what gh15 calls OCD ,,this ocd is evolve around the 24/7 thinking and getting hard ons by new drygs old drugs and thinking about the next 500-5000$ you will spend on your next cycle which ofcourse the more advance you are the less cycles you do and it all becomes one big addiciton and one big whole cycle for the rest of your life on earth,,this is bodybuilding believe it or not it dont matter ...but this is bodybuilding wether you like it or not

useless post - reveals nothing.

[subseven]

GH,

How come these guys take all that stuff and continue to inject all sorts of anabolics, sometimes 6-7 different compounds, every day but are still afraid of DNP?  I just cannot believe that only a minority use DNP (which is what you had said earlier). You know your stuff but this just blows my mind....

[stormshadow]

GH,

How come these guys take all that stuff and continue to inject all sorts of anabolics, sometimes 6-7 different compounds, every day but are still afraid of DNP?  I just cannot believe that only a minority use DNP (which is what you had said earlier). You know your stuff but this just blows my mind....

Because DNP is the most miserable drug you will ever take. 

[Fatpanda]

 

look people if you don't die from some sort of alergic reaction first - 200mg of dnp a day will not kill you, and the sides are managable.

personally i tapered up to 800mg a day - and yes the sides are terrible, and death was winking at me.

however i didn't notice any amazing fat loss, however i was drinking gallons of water all day and night, so i may have been losing fat and storing water.

after a week off it and the water drained away i was the same weight though so take from it what you will.

personally i prefer ephedrine and caffeine, simple, easy, and effective.

[Harley Buckshot]

dude, these guys are on SO MUCH FUCKING SAUCE, you cant comprehend it. I have a few friends who compete, and they are eating ice cream and chicken wings 5-6 weeks out no problem. You SEE what happens to these bodies as they massively GROW? Its not hard to believe their metabolism and fat loss is multiplied tremendously.

[Harley Buckshot]

if any of you know of DNP's industrial field uses, you would never wanna get within 10 feet of it. The bodybuilders actually attempt to JUSTIFY using it beforehand, and they realize it is like drinking gasoline. Their whole mental state of mind is so screwed they cant rationalize it. "Anything" to get ripped.

[Harley Buckshot]

T-nation GREAT ARTICLE.

One guys week on DNP in an article.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1035803

Did I know all of this about DNP before I used it? Of course I did. Did I really understand what this felt like? No! Not at all. Imagine strapping a third of your own body weight to yourself, then walking uphill all day, and that's what 200mgs of DNP felt like to me for the first few days I was on it.

So what did I do? I doubled Dan's original recommended dose.

[NaturalWonder83]

T-nation GREAT ARTICLE.

One guys week on DNP in an article.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1035803

Did I know all of this about DNP before I used it? Of course I did. Did I really understand what this felt like? No! Not at all. Imagine strapping a third of your own body weight to yourself, then walking uphill all day, and that's what 200mgs of DNP felt like to me for the first few days I was on it.

So what did I do? I doubled Dan's original recommended dose.

that was a freaky article

[aliamini]

DNP and Albuterol are hard to get … clen is much better than Albuterol but cause it is not easy to get and a lot have not tried it say that it is better … but it is not … Anti Aromatize & diuretic does to make you lose fat … they just pull the water out … each works from different perspective (different way) … Clen +t3+Ephedrine+GH do the trick … you just have to be precise with dosage, duration and timing … getting lean is like gaining muscle as far as memory is concerned … so if you reach a certain condition (muscle gain and body fat lost) you will achieve that in less time the next time you do it (of course f you do it the right way) … so you have muscle memory along with body fat (leanness)memory … so when u c a bber who can get lean fast (faster than regular people) it means he has the body memory to achieve that ... there isn’t any secret drug … you also have the genetics which is a big factor in getting lean and muscular but that is whole different subject


I am contributing this reply so people don’t get mislead

[tbombz]

getting lean is like gaining muscle as far as memory is concerned … so if you reach a certain condition (muscle gain and body fat lost) you will achieve that in less time the next time you do it … so you have muscle memory along with body fat (leanness)memory … so when u c a bber who can get lean fast it means he has the body memory to achive that

Very Interesting. Never heard of this before. Could you expand, if possible?

[Harley Buckshot]

DNP and Albuterol are hard to get … clen is much better than Albuterol but cause it is not easy to get and a lot have not tried it say that it is better … but it is not … Anti Aromatize & diuretic does to make you lose fat … they just pull the water out … each works from different perspective (different way) … Clen +t3+Ephedrine+GH do the trick … you just have to be precise with dosage, duration and timing … getting lean is like gaining muscle as far as memory is concerned … so if you reach a certain condition (muscle gain and body fat lost) you will achieve that in less time the next time you do it (of course f you do it the right way) … so you have muscle memory along with body fat (leanness)memory … so when u c a bber who can get lean fast (faster than regular people) it means he has the body memory to achieve that ... there isn’t any secret drug … you also have the genetics which is a big factor in getting lean and muscular but that is whole different subject


I am contributing this reply so people don’t get mislead

No offense, but, I don't think these you know more thoroughly about these statements than what you read from various sources of bodybuilding "basics". I dont have a background in chemistry/nutritional sciences, but, I dont think its a situation where if you are 25%, get down to 10%, then its easier to get leaner "next time". Its EXTREMELY HARD for a natural bb'er to build 3 lbs of PURE MUSCLE a year. Hell, even juiced to gill guys is hard to pull 10-15. Likewise, gaining fat and losing fat is the SAME ROUTINE every time. Calories in vs calories out. The "progress" of adipose tissue accumulation is just the result of eating shit food. Yes, if you are juicing year round and are a complete idiot who has no concern for his health, then possiby the bodyfat can be maintained at a low level. My point is, if you are a user, but actually do take legitimate breaks from cycles- then its not like you have some fake "memory" just telling your body "hey, lets burn this faster now".

And, what is this "if you do it the right way" you are referring to?

[aliamini]

I am a big believer of talking break from anabolics … I odnt know how you understood my statement but let me elaborate as you mentioned it … if you had 25% bodyfat and got it to 10% in 12 weeks … than once you are back to 25% the next time and diet you will achieve the 10% sooner  … with drugs or without … this is just how the body works the key word here is “Proper diet” … not everyone can do it … but if you have the knowledge you can do it … ask everyone that has worked with me … or anyone who does contest prep in a right way … I guess no one out into writing … but everyone who diets and gets ready for contest with some years of successful experience will agree with what I said

Hope you got my point now