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Nolvadex question...
« on: September 05, 2008, 10:54:14 AM »
is it possible that nolvadex, by it self, at 20mg/day might be able to raise natural testosternoe production? Or just helps us to get rid of some water?

"Nolvadex and Muscle Definition

Within 24 to 48 hours, Nolvadex is able to greatly increase muscular definition. As a result, bodybuilders assume Nolvadex will help them reduce their bodyfat level. But this rapid cutting action of Nolvadex is due to an anti-estrogenic action on water retention. Estrogens will make you hold water. Nolvadex will produce the opposite effect. But it says nothing about the impact of Tamoxifen on bodyfat. Depending upon your own production of estrogens and your estrogen receptor density on adipocytes, Nolvadex can act as an antagonist (which would help you lose fat) or an agonist. In that case, Nolvadex will make you fatter especially in the lower body area.

Conclusion: if the introduction of Nolvadex 25 years ago was a brilliant idea, times have changed. Very effective anti-aromatase drugs (such as Letrozole or Anastrazole) have been introduced. They will fight gynecomastia, help prevent the anti-anabolic actions of estrogens, fight fat and water retention. They will also boost natural testosterone production far more effectively than Nolvadex. So, it is up to you to decide whether you wish impair your rate of progression with an outdated drug or move on to the 21st century."

http://mesomorphosis.com/articles/dharkam/avoid-nolvadex.htm

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Re: Nolvadex question...
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 04:46:53 PM »
Interesting, but estrogen's effect on the liver can have favourable effects on your blood lipid profiles so SERMs can help in reducing the bad sides of increased estrogen however also reduce the negative effects of higher testosterone.

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Re: Nolvadex question...
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 04:49:32 PM »
umhh im not sure, maybe one of the regulars here posted a while ago that nolva wont raise shit and added some links to serious studies.

i could be wrong though, but i believe im not!
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Re: Nolvadex question...
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 05:02:43 PM »
umhh im not sure, maybe one of the regulars here posted a while ago that nolva wont raise shit and added some links to serious studies.

i could be wrong though, but i believe im not!

4th has posted studies on it before, and yes that's correct.  I've only seen 1 study that showed it raised test levels, but there are plenty of studies showing clomid to be a better choice when it comes to SERMS and PCT.

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Re: Nolvadex question...
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 05:23:43 PM »
4th has posted studies on it before, and yes that's correct.  I've only seen 1 study that showed it raised test levels, but there are plenty of studies showing clomid to be a better choice when it comes to SERMS and PCT.

ahh thanks for the info, i knew i read everything once :)
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Re: Nolvadex question...
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008, 06:52:32 PM »
ahh thanks for the info, i knew i read everything once :)

benz!

Good to have you back bro?

Were you in trouble for fondling our friends mom??  ;D

Personally, I liked Nolva better than Clomid, but EVERYONE is different!  ;)

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Re: Nolvadex question...
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2008, 10:10:48 PM »
benz!

Good to have you back bro?

Were you in trouble for fondling our friends mom??  ;D

Personally, I liked Nolva better than Clomid, but EVERYONE is different!  ;)

I never called his mother, its bs, he just quit because he's a fat kid :(

good to see you too :)
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Re: Nolvadex question...
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2008, 10:41:47 PM »
Nolva will raise test and you don't need much!

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Effect of lower versus higher doses of tamoxifen on pituitary-gonadal function and sperm indices in oligozoospermic men.

Dony JM, Smals AG, Rolland R, Fauser BC, Thomas CM.

Administration of the antiestrogen tamoxifen for one month to 12 patients with idiopathic oligozoospermia significantly increased the mean basal testosterone (T) level and the responses of luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) to constant luteinizing hormone releasing hormone (LHRH) infusion but did not significantly influence the mean oestradiol (E2) levels or the E2 over testosterone ratio. Mean sperm concentration and total sperm output increased by about 70% after a mean treatment period of 5.5 +/- 0.4 months. No statistically significant difference was found between the two subgroups of patients treated with either the lower (5 or 10 mg once daily) or higher dose of tamoxifen (10 mg twice daily) with respect to basal or LHRH stimulated gonadotropin and testosterone response or the E2/T ratio and the effect on sperm density and total sperm output. In both subgroups the sperm motility and morphology remained unchanged. In conclusion higher doses of tamoxifen in this study prove not to be superior to lower doses in improving mean sperm density and total sperm output. The relative small percentage of patients achieving normalisation of only these sperm parameters pleads for further search for more effective selection of patients and other more effective treatment modalities in patients with idiopathic oligozoospermia.



is it possible that nolvadex, by it self, at 20mg/day might be able to raise natural testosternoe production?


Even 5mg will probably raise T significantly. But doesn't mean it will be anabolic.