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Re: The Real Sarah Palin
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2008, 01:58:58 PM »
She's also a person who thinks even women who've been raped shouln't be allowed abortions

A friend of mine in school has a 4.0 and has a full ride scholarship.   She was the product of a rape.   I think women should think twice before they consider abortions.

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« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2008, 02:02:06 PM »
A friend of mine in school has a 4.0 and has a full ride scholarship.   She was the product of a rape.   I think women should think twice before they consider abortions.

Yes... They should think twice and then do it.

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Re: The Real Sarah Palin
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2008, 02:26:52 PM »
Thanks Adonis, I will read that soon, lots of info.  Important to keep getting info from unbiased sources because there is so much misinformation and spin.

Will Obama force small businesses under 25 workers to carry health insurance for employees?  I heard that but need it verified.  Even with tax breaks, that would break many small companies...it would mine.

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Re: The Real Sarah Palin
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2008, 02:33:41 PM »
Thanks Adonis, I will read that soon, lots of info.  Important to keep getting info from unbiased sources because there is so much misinformation and spin.

Will Obama force small businesses under 25 workers to carry health insurance for employees?  I heard that but need it verified.  Even with tax breaks, that would break many small companies...it would mine.
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2008/09/01/gvsa0901.htm
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HEALTH COVERAGE MANDATES

Obama: Require all children to have health insurance and require employers who don't make a "meaningful" contribution to their workers' health coverage to pay into a national health plan. Exempt small businesses and provide a tax credit.

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Re: The Real Sarah Palin
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2008, 02:37:35 PM »
http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/09/09/2008-09-09T050033Z_01_N08483857_RTRIDST_0_USA-POLITICS-HEALTHCARE-FACTBOX.html
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FACTBOX-McCain, Obama differ on U.S. health care
09.09.08, 1:00 AM ET
UNITED STATES - (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and Republican candidate John McCain agree Americans spend too much on drugs and doctors and largely agree on what changes to make, but they have competing proposals to carry them out. Here is a summary of their positions:
BUYING HEALTH INSURANCE

McCain would end tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance and provide a refundable tax credit of $2,500 per person, or $5,000 for families. He would promote competition by allowing people to buy insurance across state lines.

Obama has proposed a national insurance program to allow individuals and small businesses to buy health care similar to that available to federal employees, supplemented in part by a tax on employers who do not provide coverage.

Both want insurance to be portable, meaning people would not lose coverage when they switch jobs.

THE UNINSURED

McCain proposes a Guaranteed Access Plan or GAP provided by states. One example would be a nonprofit corporation that would contract with insurers.

Obama would create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help people buy private insurance, act as a watchdog and create standards. He would require health care for all children, and expand Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program or SCHIP.

IMPROVING CARE

Both candidates support electronic health records to improve record-keeping and reduce errors. Obama would launch a federally backed system.

Both also support better coordination of care. Obama health advisers support the idea of a "medical home" -- a primary care doctor who would help coordinate and oversee care.

Both candidates praise smoking cessation and weight-loss programs, especially those offered by employers.

Obama has studied the possibility of paying doctors to spend time with patients on preventing disease and rewarding them for better outcomes.

LOWERING COSTS

McCain wants to slow the double-digit growth that now makes health care spending 16 percent of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product.

Obama says he can reduce health care spending by 8 percent and save each taxpayer $2,500 with his ideas.

Both candidates support a plan to re-import drugs -- meaning U.S. providers could buy them from countries that have negotiated lower prices with pharmaceutical companies. Both also support the wider development and use of generic drugs.

To lower costs for doctors, McCain proposes tort reform to reduce the number of lawsuits that doctors must insure against. Obama prefers to strengthen antitrust laws to lower insurance costs for doctors.

Both also encourage walk-in clinics at stores and elsewhere for routine health checks.

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Re: The Real Sarah Palin
« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2008, 02:39:49 PM »
dollar against the Euro, last 5 years.

Can your bank account take another 5 years of decline using Bush/Mccain policy?

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« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2008, 02:50:12 PM »
i don't care if sarah palin, john mccane or any other crony was a nice person, unless they're a democrat i'm voting for obama

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« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2008, 03:01:14 PM »
I dont see how voting for a guy that thinks stealing from those who work and giving to those who wont work is good for the country.I dont see how pushing us a step closer to socialism is a good way to go.I certainly dont want Joe Biden,a proven liar and a man who has taken away more liberty from us then almost any other senator,anywhere near the presidency.

I don't see how anyone can be so STUPID as to think that it is STEALING when the GREEDY who make MILLIONS per year and who have all manner of LOOP HOLES to jump through so that they pay less in taxes than someone making 25,000 per year. The WELL TO DO are ofter paying a max of 15% tax while the masses are paying 30 to 50%, the wealthy masses have overseas accounts, tax breaks, loop holes, and benefits galore when it comes to preserving their wealth....the average have nothing and pay the LION SHARE of taxes and fees for everything. The wealthy have already achieved everythgn that one can have, home(s), car(s), education, marriage, life and health insurance, world travel etc etc. The average will NEVER own a home, will afford a economy car at BEST, are often without insurance of any type and getting a college education is practically a DREAM now....SHAMEFUL. and you want to continue this practice??? I say TAX THE SHIT OUT OF THE WEALTHY...They are the ones who have obtained their wealth out of corrupt means anyway.
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« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2008, 07:09:29 PM »
I have been on this board way too much tonight.

With that being said, I think each person should look at their own personal situation.
Are your bills paid?  Do your children have food, clothing, shelter? Can you afford a vacation each year/

If you can do all of these things, in my mind you are rich and living the American dream. If you have insurance, retirement funds and healthcare,you are living the American dream.

If you have excess over what you and your family needs, why not contribute to those less fortunate than you?
How many homes can you live in at one time?  How many cars/boats/golf/tennis/jewelry do you need before you have enough?

Doris Duke died a Billionairess.
She couldn't take it with her.

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« Reply #84 on: September 09, 2008, 07:23:10 PM »
No ur right but why should I give it to someone who has not earned it.
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« Reply #85 on: September 09, 2008, 07:28:15 PM »
No ur right but why should I give it to someone who has not earned it.

I agree. You should burn it when you're done. In fact, I hope you haven't spent any money on your kids.... God knows they haven't earned it.

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« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2008, 07:31:33 PM »
Yeah...ok jackass.
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« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2008, 07:32:55 PM »
ROFL. Touched a nerve?

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« Reply #88 on: September 09, 2008, 08:03:30 PM »
ROFL. Touched a nerve?
ROFLMAO Calmus, you are melting down Getbig`s richest Millionaire. hahhahhahhahhahh

Headhuntersix is by far one of the biggest clowns out of the trailer park masquerading as smooth corporate executive.


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« Reply #89 on: September 09, 2008, 08:15:29 PM »
ROFLMAO Calmus, you are melting down Getbig`s richest Millionaire. hahhahhahhahhahh

Headhuntersix is by far one of the biggest clowns out of the trailer park masquerading as smooth corporate executive.



Actually HH6 is one of the reasons why defense spending is out of control (second-rate hummers cost our armed forces nearly a quarter of a million apiece  ::) ). 

And he doesn't believe in giving money to people who haven't earned it. ROFL.

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« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2008, 07:02:47 AM »
I don't believe in giving money to those that haven't earned it.  There is nothing wrong with that, it is one thing to help, it is another thing to give handouts.   

While I appreciate the figures, and they are interesting; what I want to know is how is Obama going to pay for all of this?  Are the tax increases on the rich going to cover credits, cuts in other places, increase in number of programs, etc.?  I haven't seen anything to suggest where this money is coming from or if the new taxes will be enough.  If he has to borrow then he isn't helping anything. 


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« Reply #91 on: September 10, 2008, 07:07:10 AM »
Actually HH6 is one of the reasons why defense spending is out of control (second-rate hummers cost our armed forces nearly a quarter of a million apiece  ::) ). 

And he doesn't believe in giving money to people who haven't earned it. ROFL.

The Hummer was not designed for what we have it doing. The Hummer works great for what we bought it for. Please don't comment on things u have no real idea about.
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« Reply #92 on: September 10, 2008, 07:19:23 AM »
The Hummer was not designed for what we have it doing. The Hummer works great for what we bought it for. Please don't comment on things u have no real idea about.

Are you sure...Everyone on getbig knows my brother is Marine Recon since 99...he was with the first group in Iraq...We talked about the equipment, not the armor, the truck itself. He was TL and he had dumb issues with the trucks from simple shit like hoses, plugs. Not to mention the lack of armor...

Dude you are not going to put shit on a stick and call it a chocolate popsickle.

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« Reply #93 on: September 10, 2008, 07:21:23 AM »
It's hard to believe that some people believe that Obama's platform is socialism/communism and that their hard-earned dollars are being doled out to shiftless lazy people.

Where do you guys get this shit?  It's such tired and cliched rightwing rhetoric that you'd think a modicum of fact-based analysis might just be fun for a change.

I would think that you guys are referencing Welfare--AFDC and food stamps.  Those programs cost about 1% of the budget.  

Consider this in your railing against those anti-poverty programs:  The US economy needs an unemployment rate for a healthy economy.  100% employment would overheat the economy giving rise to inflation.  

Conservative economist icon Milton Friedman's theory of "the natural rate of unemployment" is the rate when inflation is what the market thinks it should be.  This small pool of unutilized labor is necessary to a healthy economy.

Now if it is necessary to have a small segment of the workforce unemployed in the interests of the overall health of the economy, why do you anti-welfare people want to pull welfare (food, shelter, clothing) from these people?

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« Reply #94 on: September 10, 2008, 10:30:27 AM »
I never said it was socialism or communism.  So don't paint it with a broad brush. 

I do not agree with more government in any capacity as I believe it is too big as it is today.  That is my main concern.  Let's not forget Michele Obama's "share your piece of pie" comment.  That really bothers me as she will have the ear of the POTUS.  I simply asked where is the extra money that he needs coming from and if/why there will be any other wasteful programs.

Even CNN and NBC have questioned that the amount of money raised by the increase in capital taxes etc. won't be enough to cover the cuts/credits in other places. 

I believe the welfare issue is people feel it is too much money and that it doesn't help empower but to simply keep people reliant on the system.  I happen to agree as I have several members of my family that use welfare, and they are completely capable of working and do...sometimes they are too lazy to keep full time hours.  It is examples like that that people see in their own lives that leaves a sour taste in their mouth.  I understand and see that perspective, because I have seen firsthand my tax dollars "doled out to shiftless lazy people".  So please don't judge just because a person questions the amount of money a person/family gets for welfare which is my main problem.  It isn't just right-wing rhetoric. 

Just for the record...I know we need social programs and insurances; I support them accordingly.  I just think the system needs revamping and not simply more money and/or programs to replace them. 

Sorry I'm at work and wasn't able to really go into depth and post numbers.  I will try later

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« Reply #95 on: September 10, 2008, 10:52:34 AM »
Rob, Obama is giving you money (people under $100k) but he's taking it from people who have worked hard to make what they have made. It wasn't all that long ago that I wasn't making all that much, but I worked my ASS off to make what I make. You Rob, have an MBA, I don't have a degree (I came up 6mos short of a BS) unless a person is mentally unstable, there's no reason to not beat the odds.

Now, most people that are making alot (we'll call them the rich) usually are business owners and if that's the case, they would position themselves to have ton of write off's. The way I look at it, Obama want's to tax 50% of my personal income, tax the shit out my business and what does that leave me with to take care of my family? No, he wants to take what I make to feed someone elses family. Don't get me wrong, I do my share of cherity work, but it's of my own doing!

In other words, the rich will find a way to legally dodge the tax hikes. Therefore, for Obama to pay for his programs, guess who's going to get pillaged and plundered, instead.

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« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2008, 06:09:35 PM »
In other words, the rich will find a way to legally dodge the tax hikes. Therefore, for Obama to pay for his programs, guess who's going to get pillaged and plundered, instead.

Oh brother.  Guess you'd rather pay for McCain's 100 year war instead. it will be much cheaper.  ::)  ANd then he'll be off to fight the Russians in Georgia.  Guess you'd like that too.

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« Reply #97 on: September 10, 2008, 06:30:28 PM »
Oh brother.  Guess you'd rather pay for McCain's 100 year war instead. it will be much cheaper.  ::)  ANd then he'll be off to fight the Russians in Georgia.  Guess you'd like that too.

McCain didn't say anything about a 100-year war. So, please put that tired talking point back in the scrap heap.


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Re: The Real Sarah Palin
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2008, 06:45:31 PM »
McCain didn't say anything about a 100-year war.

yes, he did.


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« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2008, 08:06:59 PM »
yes, he did.



Not coming on. You know as well as I do he didn't mean we would be fighting there for 100 years. Dammit Rob quit spinning this shit.