Problems with Non AAS related GYNO-- trying to get anti-e prescribed

[strength]

To make a long story short.

I have not done any ASS in over 2 years. I took a few months off serious training when I changed jobs and had our second son. I started back training hard again about 2 months ago. The only thing i was taking was creatine and L-arginine. About 2 weeks into training again, my left nipple, the same nipple that gave me problems during puberty,and the only side that every gave me problems during my years of AAS, started flaring up. It became extremely sensitive and puffy. No discharge. This had me totally puzzled. Why was this happening? Ive been 100% clean for two years. Only took about 2 months off, and now out of nowhere i am having gyno problems. So i said screw it, i am going to the doc. Well he sent me for an U/Sound, to rule out any major problems. Everything was fine, which i was sure it was. This has to be related to my test levels. I can not understand what is happening. He thinks i started producing more test. I can understand that, but this hurts like when i was on 50mg dbol and 750 mgs test. I go back to him on friday for a post U/S follow up. I am going to stright up tell him listen, i need bloodwork done and an anti-E or i am going to go get it myself. I talked to him about an anti-e before and he said no no no, and gave me some freaking anti-inflamatories and told me to use a hot pad. LOL

What else should i do. I mean i know i can go with one of the research chem suppliers, but i really dont feel like i should have to because I AM NOT ON GEAR. And i'd like to use my insurance

any ideas??

[strength]

wow board is slow today

anyone?

[efanhowz]

no ASS for 2 years? did you just get out of prison or something? but seriously, steroids and the like are not in most doc's "scope" of practice. especially practical use of steroids for training purposes. i would only ask a doc if he was jacked up himself. why not just pay the measily 20-40$ for some adex or letro through a research site? problem solved.

[jtsunami]

this has happened to me, no anti-e or ai helped this out at all.  Anti prolactin did not work either, I would say you are prone to it and taking AAS has caused more fluctuation in your levels permanently, just get it cut out, wether it is gland or not, it is still going to be puffy, Dr blau can do some great work.

jt

ps he gave you anti inflam and hotpad because he thinks your nipple gland may be clogged prolly, that isn't the case, I bet it only hurts certain days too and not after meals.

[strength]

no it hurts all the time.  And it getting more and more puffy. 

Why after two years is this happening?

[jtsunami]

no it hurts all the time.  And it getting more and more puffy. 

Why after two years is this happening?

Does anti e take it away or not, I would just get it cut out to solve the puffiness you are probably worried about.

[strength]

well if i had 3 grand laying around id be making the appointment by now

[jtsunami]

they can finance for people who don't have money up front, is it both nipples or just one?

[RDW]

Gynecomastia and mastalgia (the pain and tenderness generally caused by gynecomastia) can be caused by a number of issues other than exogenous androgens.  Are you on any other medications or drugs? Cimetidine (Tagamet - H2-Antagonist for heartburn and ulcers), omeprazole (Prilosec - another antacid but via proton pump inhibition), spironolactone (Spiroton among others, used for hypokalemia and some heart issues), cancer treatment drugs, finasteride (assume you all know this one), as well as some antipsychotics and anti depressants all can cause both gynecomastia and mastalgia.  However, it could obviously be due to your known androgen use as well, just thought I would mention the others incase you just began a regimen.

First, tell your doctor that if he isn't going to help you to please give you a referral to an endocrinologist.  Explain to him exactly what you have done, and that SERMs and/or AIs are the standard treatment for hyperandrogenically induced (and most other non pseudo) gynecomastia.  If he would like more information, ask him/her to check these findings:

Feel free to print this out for him/her.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14759718
"Management of physiological gynaecomastia with tamoxifen."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15998589
"The role of tamoxifen in the management of gynaecomastia."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238910
"Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763958
"Treatment of mastalgia with tamoxifen in male patients with liver cirrhosis"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655526
"Long term look on adolescene treated with tamoxifen for gynecomastia"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12662229
"How should gynaecomastia be managed?" - *NOTE I don't recommend the use of Danazol for gynecomstia treatment due to it's mode of action, it has more adverse effects than Tamoxifen (or AIs such as exemestane, anastrozole, letrozole for that matter).

I hope that helps, if you or your doctor have any questions feel free to ask more or PM me.

[Rimbaud]

If you'd return my phone calls I'd give you my input. 

[jtsunami]

whoa is he your cousin Rim?

[Rimbaud]

whoa is he your cousin Rim?

No a friend who's slow at returning phone calls.

[jtsunami]

lol so cute

[strength]

lol so cute

 

[Rimbaud]

Any updates?

[jtsunami]

i doubt it went away since it has been bothering him for a while now.  From what I have heard about this issue with myself and others problem really never goes away.

jt